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Dubya says we are not in a recession.

Having said that, the strong argument against any HD media right now is "I just don't need it." It seems that HD media is a tough sell after all, regardless of competing formats.

But, my internal conflict is that I hardly ever watch "standard" def TV anymore with Dishnetwork's great array of HD channels. I'll probably get a PS3 for the holidays 2008. I'll be looking for a good Black Friday deal. :)

Why do people like to spread doom and gloom about HD optical disc? It's almost like they take perverse pleasure in it. Some pertinent facts that these research firms may not have considered:

Blu-ray disc sales are up 351% over last year while DVD sales saw a decline.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1222

Universal and Paramount have announced release dates for discs.

Blu-ray is only in its 2nd year of existence, and it already had matched the marketshare that laserdisc had at the end of its 25 year run.

The US is in an economic slowdown, so it's no surprise that sales of expensive luxury electronics are trending downward. I'd bet HDTV sales are down, too. What does that mean for the HDTV format? Oh noes!

I think the basic problem for Blu-Ray adoption is the same one that plagued HD-DVD, and the problem is threefold:

1) People are still in the process of buying and converting to progressive-scan televisions. I don't see this process as being "complete" for several more years. People are simply waiting for the progressive-scan set of their choice to fall within the price-range they consider palatable.

2) The prices of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray movies are still too high when compared with the prices for DVD.

3) The commercial availability of both HD DVD and Blu-Ray titles is still in its infancy when compared with the ubiquity of DVD title availability.

I think that HD DVD simply threw in the towel far too early, if you can't tell, because progressive-scan technology of all descriptions is still relatively early in the adoption phase and is a long way from maturity. Toshiba inexplicably ran out of patience, imo. I would have thought the company would have recognized the importance of patience before ever getting into the HD DVD market.

I just bought my own 1080P TV along with a Sony Blu-Ray BDP-S300 Blu-Ray player, and we are loving it inside the WaltC household...;) Prior to picking up the S300 I had been using a Phillips DVDR 3505 upscaling DVD player--which cost me about half of what the S300 cost me. Unreservedly, I can say that the S300's price premium is worth every penny--and frankly, that sort of surprised me. The S300 upscales my DVD titles to 1080p whereas the 3505 was only capable of upscaling them to 1080i. What surprised me was the difference in both the image and audio output quality between the two: I find the S300 much better and noticeably so. And of course, Blu-Ray titles are much better still. I'm very happy.

But still, everywhere I look in retail locally, DVD titles outnumber Blu-Ray titles by a wide margin, and the prices for the Blu-Ray titles are nowhere near as compelling.

People can't tell the difference between a DVD and a Blu-ray on a HDTV? Really? Who the hell are they talking to?

When you have an upconverting DVD player, the difference isn't worth $300.

Blu-Ray is a product in search of a consumer market.

What, they're _not_ blaming high-sea piracy?!

There's an economic depression at the moment, remember?

Unless the movie was made within the last 5 years and has alot of great special effects (Transformer for instance) will look great in HD, but over 90% of the movies out there are old and outdated. Putting them in Blu-Ray will not make the outdated material look any better than they would on DVD.

i would say another thing to consider would be the writer's strike
the writers strikes started on November 15th 2007 if wikipedia is correct

November/December holiday sales were likely enough to stave off any generalized downturn in high-def sales as people were buying such items as gifts to give to others (hence the term 'seasonal factors')

the writer's strike ended 12th February
march saw an increase of 2%

so why bother mentioning this?
well while the writers strike was on, any number of tv series (making up the bulk of new content) that were to be released on dvd as set's, or in 2/3ep discs, were effectively put on hold
this included things like extra content on discs such as documentaries (though commentaries wouldn't have been affected) and little extras specially made for the physical media release

having said that this speculation (and it clearly should be seen as speculation) would easily be put to rest if they we had comparative dvd sales during the same period to see if there was some form of sales 'dip' outside of seasonal factors

Sony seem to think they have a cash cow on their hands, and are trying to milk it for all its worth. Unfortunately for them, it's not a cash cow at all - it's a niche product, and will remain so unless they bite the bullet and drop the prices of their players to the point where they don't cost much more than a good upscaling one. Only then will it seriously be able to start taking customers away from DVD.

You'd need to have shit in your eyes not to see the difference between blu-ray and scaled DVD,even on the cheap nasty 720p sets people have bought. I think basically they've run into the same problem with DVD as they have with CD Audio - the quality is good enough for 90%+ people.

When it's cheap enough people will buy it anyway though, I hope.

Dave

Blu-ray movie sales have gone up 351%
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/home_entertainm...

NPD is counting players but not the PS3 for which sales have gone up by a significant amount since last year.

So this is poorly researched news at best.

The Panny BD30, a $500 list unit, was selling for the sub-$400 range around Christmas and before HD-DVD threw in the towel. Now some people are paying OVER list price. That is just gouging on the part of retailers enabled, I'd bet, by not enough supply. If I had not bought in the X-mas season, they could shove their players now at those prices.

Wonder if the sudden price hike in player and movies once HD-DVD was declared dead has anything to do with it?

Interesting thing I saw at amazon:

Appleseed: Ex Machina

BRD = $22.95

SD = $19.99

HDDVD+SD Combo = $16.49

Why do people care so much about BluRay or HD-DVD? Is your life so pathetic your fanbois of an optical disk format?

IT'S JUST A MOVIE !

selling poorly? wait until the burners hit mainstream. its selling poorly cus it needs more companies in the game. secondly, how many people do you think can afford one in a recession?

That's because there are no movies I want on Blu-Ray!

I bought a nice new HDTV and a blu-ray player and only 3 movies, mostly just so I would have something at all to play on the thing! Can I purchase *any* of my favorite movies from the back catalog yet? No! Fight Club, The Matrix, Contact, Thin Red Line, The Abyss, Platoon? No!

If they are that desperate, get the studios to release more freakin movies already! Gah.

I agree with Vrock on his points.

What's with all the trolling anyways? Sour grapes because HD-DVD died? People on the internet have gone insane over hidef optical formats - as if their life depended on it. Chill guys, chill! You guys forget about how DVD did in the early years already?

Blu-ray so far is following the general trend DVD took - I don't see anything wrong with that - so far it is smooth sailing. This is good news for movie and A/V enthusiasts.

This issue is really what the industry calls "attachment rate". This is the number of disks sold per Blu-Ray player in use. The attachment rate is very low for Blu-Ray. What's more, the moment that you add in PS3s (which are not counted in the NPD numbers), the attachment rate gets even worse, since PS3s are the majority of Blu-Ray devices in the market.

My personal opinion is that the majority of the market is happy with DVD and sees no reason to expend money for a better picture. Considering that many people are now watching content on non-standard devices, like laptops, the back seat of a car, etc, this doesn't surprise me in the least. The difference between VHS and DVD was revolutionary. Better picture, better sound, was more space efficient, and it didn't wear out. The change from DVD to Blu-Ray is incremental and people just don't seem to be willing to pay extra for that small measure of improvement.