How about make a USB design like headphone socket... ^_^

Firewire is expensive and few gadgets use it. USB rocks but Intel isnt...lols

Oh no, not another CD+R/CD-R Bluray/HDDVD Gnome/KDE fiasco... I hope manufacturers jump over to Firewire then.

I hate the USB plug, I think it's called "A" plug. Just rather have something like the connectors on a GameCube controller, where you can tell which way is up by just feeling it, and not having to look at it. Something like the GameCube controller but smaller. I know you can feel current USB cables, but it doesn't compare.

We do not need USB 3.0 right now. I have no idea why AMD, Nvidia and VIA would waste their time making a separate USB 3.0 specification if Intel refuses to release the specification until it is done. It is a complete waste of time and resources.

This doesn't sound like a terribly good development, unless both are entirely compatible.. even then, it's likely to confuse people if they go by different names. USB's been so successful because it's so easy, you just plug in almost any device to the same ports and it works. If this leads to only certain devices working with certain computers it's not going to be beneficial.

Intel having too much influence is bad, but fragmenting the USB standard could be worse.

The question is, are Intel purposely excluding AMD, Nvidia and VIA in order to keep control of the specification a bit longer, or have AMD etc just not bothered to help Intel. I expect the former.

I like to keep data storage in an external enclosure so additional speed over USB2 is very nice. Getting the 75MB/s+ hard drives are capable of vs. th 32MB/s of USB is quite a big deal.

In its current incarnation, eSATA isn't exactly ideal for laptops due to the lack of support for bus powered operation.

Nvidia still holds SLI which is a mixed blessing as they will recieve more enthusiast sales at the moment but if they were to share they could easily work up a deal with Intel to recieve both USB 3.0 and Nehalem compatibility.

As for AMD, not much to say lol.

But yea, Intel needs to stop being a d***head and be a more friendly company. Enthusiasts are the ones informed about these things so if you want to appeal to them try not to fragment the market.

I think a mixture of eSATA and Firewire would do for most people. They are much closer to these companies viewpoints on the market, whereas USB3 is just going to be "more work for the CPU, so we can sell more" from Intel. Firewire controllers have their own CPU which takes the work off the main CPU, in essence a "bus accellerator" if you think of it that way. VIA, nVidia, AMD should adopt and integrate Firewire into their core chipsets for general connectivity, add eSATA for really fast external storage (although FW800 is fast enough to be honest, and FW3200 would beat eSATA).

Now THAT's the Intel I know!

If it were just AMD and/or VIA making noise, this would suffer crib death. With Nvidia signed up, Intel will have to cought up or get subrogated into whatever the other three come up with, especially with the other three having substantial presence in both portable devices and industrial systems.

AMD, Nvidia, and VIA should unite and crush Intel.

BoBzeBuilder is on point.

Thanks.

Bob

Euh... different specs... There was something with different specs recently.... euh... what was it? ... Oh, yes: HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Both failed.

I'll just wait for the 3.1 spec to come out that everyone agrees on and avoid a Beta vs. VHS or HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray sort of war. I'll continue to stick with Firewire for my external hard drives as I have for several years now. I don't have any other devices that would remotely need anything faster than USB 2.0.

Intel tried this before with USB 1.0. It resolved when a bunch of competitors got together and eventually released USB 1.1, making Intel's implementation worthless. Inquirer talks a bit about it (I know, I know, its The Inquirer, but I don't think they can mess history up THAT much).

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/09/intel-plays-...

Though now its even worse, since eSATA is already out there being implemented on a ton of boards, plus the 'Power over eSATA' revision should be coming soon and will be backwards compatible. I could see board makers just giving USB 3.0 the finger and going all the way with eSATA.

More stupidity by big business. I'm more interested in wireless usb standard we don't need a usb3. Things are wireless now!!! remember wireless we don't want wires!!!

Makes me feel mad/ guilty about recommending that E8400 for my friend.

Can they please keep in common a low level interface and driver low level compatibility so the OS can get some functionality and interogation of details&functionality without the ned for separate drivers per USB device (host bus or device). I hate Windows needing you to workout what the device is and load te driver/inf before Windows can actually work out what hte device is. Why does the OS need so many custom drivers for so many devices that are so similar (incl. same ASIC but different model) ? Plug&Play should mean basic config and basic functions should work with generic driver that can get full details of brand, model and features.

a source close to Intel, who chimed in, "We do the work--

Ok, fair enough. For argument's sake, let's say this passage is spot on. I can understand where they are coming from. During my many many group business assignments, I frequently did most of the work carrying the other group members. All I'd ask is for the group members to at least show up on time for the group meetings, but they often couldn't do that. So going on this assumption, I believe Intel may be feeling the same way. I have to wonder if AMD/Nvidia/Via have lent any engineers to help out?

It might be a clueless question, but in the spirit of interoperability, how does this differ from Nvidia keeping their SLI specs to themselves? If it is a clueless question, please do clarify and correct me.

Great, it is SATA-I all over again.

>_<

Besides, what makes USB 3.0 so darn special? There are quite a few high-bandwidth interfaces already available on the market.

I don't care that Intel is "hogging" all of the work that they did. For heaven's sake, don't split any standards ever... ever... evverrrrr..... ever...............

ever.........

ever....

USB 3.0 will fail........

Damn it!

And this is just pure speculation from some random person!

hope the ftc frys them good. they abuse their power whenever they can. eSATA forever. do they really think manufacturers will choose their expensive crappy spec? is it even wireless for that matter? or are they just gonna peddle utter cr@p.

I can't wait for the BluBus vs. HDBus war.

Intel always want to dominate in a very bully tactic.......

AMD, Nvidia, VIA should unite and make their own... plus making it better what Intel has making Intel's design useless.

Internet meme that died before it started:

"____ is on point."

Intel is $#*^
They like to abuse their power too much even if it hurts users in the end