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   #48. Posted at 01:16 PM on Jul 31st 2008 Edit   Reply
pogsnet
USB 3 is coming costly firewire goodbye
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   #2. Posted at 04:38 PM on Jul 29th 2008, Edited at 04:39 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
DASQ
FireWire should die, and we should all use USB and/or eSATA.
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#2, Why? FireWire is tried and true. eSATA is the newcomer and d...  :  Taddeusz  (#4)  «
#4, My laptop has one FireWire port. I have two USB hubs, and...  :  DASQ  (#8)  «
#8, Your laptop has 8-10 onboard USB-ports?  :  boing  (#10)  «
#8, However, just because you don't use it doesn't mean it...  :  Taddeusz  (#16)  «
#16, Yes it does, but that doesn't mean it applies to ot...  :  Ethyriel  (#19)  «
#2, Huh ? Does eSATA provide power through its cable ? nope. Fir...  :  adisor19  (#22)  «
#22, http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9850343-1.html  :  Grigory  (#46)  «
#46, And look at the date on the article. Wikipedia says it...  :  Taddeusz  (#47)  «
#2, FireWire has about 30 different important features of which ...  :  jwb  (#26)  «
#2, USB/2 is consistently INFERIOR to firewire400/800 for averag...  :  StashTheVampede  (#27)  «
#27, FireWire is great! Until you have to set up a FireWire so...  :  pedro  (#30)  «
#30, Buy an Apple computer. They're there 99% of the time. A...  :  adisor19  (#32)  «
#30, Wait a sec here. My buddy is an asm developer. He wrote...  :  StashTheVampede  (#35)  «
#35, True. And I can do it too. Here's how --> http://we...  :  pedro  (#36)  «
#36, As the author of the article you reference, Pedr...  :  WestCoastSuccess  (#38)  «
#38, Totally agree with you and let me take this o...  :  pedro  (#44)  «
#44, Lol - believe me, I've spent a LOT of time...  :  WestCoastSuccess  (#45)  «
#2, Firewire has relevance, unlike some ports that many of us ha...  :  PetMiceRnice  (#39)  «

   #43. Posted at 08:26 AM on Jul 30th 2008 Edit   Reply
Usacomp2k3
I'd be fine with this, if the mobo manufacturers would start using this, perhaps just leapfrogging 1394b. It all depends on if it works well in Vista.
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   #20. Posted at 06:42 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
Ethyriel
How robust is networking with firewire? Obviously I've never seen the point, gigabit ethernet beats current speeds hands down. But we have have this situation at work, and this immediately caught my attention. Both machines need to be on the larger gigabit network (one RIPs to an inkjet, the other is a workstation), but most of the time they'll just be talking to each other and sharing some rather huge files. It sounds like this could be a nice little upgrade, and save the ethernet network a good bit of bandwidth.
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#20, I can tell you that on macs, Firewire ethernet conenctions w...  :  adisor19  (#25)  «
#25, Well that fully sucks, one machine is XP, the new one wil...  :  Ethyriel  (#28)  «
#28, unibrain has a FireWire driver for window that will ma...  :  adisor19  (#29)  «
#20, If your switches are properly set-up, then you aren't going ...  :  Usacomp2k3  (#42)  «

   #41. Posted at 08:23 AM on Jul 30th 2008 Edit   Reply
firewired
I also completely agree.

Those who talk-down Firewire have most likely never experienced its benefits over anything-USB.

Firewire is by leaps-and-bounds better for external direct-DV capture and external optical/hdd drive enclosures. You can even daisy-chain devices over a single port without needlessly wasting or adding ports or suffering from devices fighting for USB bandwidth.

Much more stable than USB and much lower overhead means more time to multi-task and do other things.

Faster Firewire will be nice as long as they do not break anything with Firewire functionality.

For my part I am very happy with Firewire-400.
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   #37. Posted at 05:15 AM on Jul 30th 2008 Edit   Reply
Lightning
Most scientific cameras are Firewire rather than USB. I'm very grateful for this too since USB cameras chew up CPU usage big-time. I also have had more problems with recent USB cameras [compared to recent Firewire cameras] having driver/detection issues.
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#37, I'll agree with that.  :  Usacomp2k3  (#40)  «

   #1. Posted at 04:37 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
Stijn
... like digital camcorders.

Now I've come to think of it, are they actually used for something else?
Some audio interfaces have firewire interfaces, but most (if not all) of them have also USB-equipped versions.
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#1, I use it for hard drives and high speed networking between l...  :  nagashi  (#3)  «
#1, I *tried* to find an external enclosure Metal Gear Box II th...  :  ssidbroadcast  (#6)  «
#1, I use an external Firewire 800 enclosure for Time Machine. I...  :  adisor19  (#7)  «
#7, I use Previous Versions and don't need an external hard d...  :  A_Pickle  (#11)  «
#1, I use it for my printer (Epson R800) and I have an external ...  :  HiggsBoson  (#33)  «
#33, Our large format scanner uses it.  :  Ethyriel  (#34)  «

   #23. Posted at 07:08 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
Tumbleweed
I'm still annoyed every time I see a new mobo come out with 'Firewire', as it's *always* FW400, not 800 (which has been available for YEARS). Completely ridiculous.

FW is good for flash card readers; way faster than USB, and noone will ever make an eSATA version (and you wouldn't want to waste an eSATA port that way, either, most likely). I've got a nice DMA capable version that screams with the right CF cards.
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#23, $$$ FW 800 is more expensive for them to license/implement, I...  :  indeego  (#31)  «

   #13. Posted at 05:28 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
Ricardo Dawkins
USB 3 FTW!
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#13, How did i know you were gonna say that ? ;-) Adi  :  adisor19  (#24)  «

   #12. Posted at 05:15 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
Zymergy
Because Firewire is far superior to USB.
It has DMA transfer access hence, Firewire devices have *significantly less* CPU useage (if any) to accomplish their transfers.
This is really similar to the differences between the SCSI interface and the ATA interface. (Those of us who know SCSI know the difference. Until the release of the very nice VeliciRaptor 300GB 10k SATA2 HDD, I was using a single 15k 300GB U320 SCSI HDD for my gaming rig's drive...)

As far as SATA. It is better than USB and faster than Firewire 400/800

NOTE: both USB and Firewire have POWER over their cables as well as data. That is a very important consideration for many devices.

Firewire is optimized for A/V use with its DMA access and very very low latency characteristics.
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#12, USB has max 500mA of power per port. Firewire i believe can ...  :  adisor19  (#21)  «

   #18. Posted at 06:04 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
Forge
Firewire rocks, beats original USB 1.1 to pieces and keeps up with USB2 decently. FW800 has a market penetration of approaching 0, but hopefully that'll change soon. Maybe not if this FW3200 news travels too far and wide, though. :(

FW3200 = nice, but I'm still waiting on widespread FW800.
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   #17. Posted at 06:04 PM on Jul 29th 2008, Edited at 07:50 AM on Jul 30th 2008 Edit   Reply
Krogoth
Too bad, that firewire is scarce especially 1394b ports and devices.

Firewire is very nice for data transfers which why professional grade A/V recording devices have it. It is still superior to USB for external HDDs.
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   #15. Posted at 06:01 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
herothezero
Ah, yes...Firewire...the interface no one ever uses.

eSATA, anyone? Well, anyone except Mac users, I guess.
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   #14. Posted at 05:31 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
Grigory
Hmm, shouldn't they at least try to beat USB 3.0 in transfer speed? Maybe they think USB 3.0 is too far off. (And they could be right.) Oh well, like most people I never had a Firewire device and that will probably never change, but it's nice that it fuels USB developement even with its minuscule market penetration. Coming to think of it, it's a little bit to USB like Linux is to Windows. It keeps the big boys from getting lazy. :)
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   #5. Posted at 04:51 PM on Jul 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
MBIlover
I use firewire for portable pro recording equipment as well as attaching external drives. It's so much faster and more reliable than USB 2.0.

I'm personally excited about this.
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#5, I agree 1000%. Alot of ppl who talk down to Firewire probab...  :  VILLAIN_xx  (#9)  «
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