E5200 = 85 of your american dollars
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

You can get it up to 4ghz easy. I'll post some screens today, I woulda done it yesterday but i was falling asleep at my desk.

tbh even at the lower dual-core end, i don't see how AMD can compete. especially with the launch of the super cheap e7400 inherent, which seems to be quite the overclocking beast.

Well the Athlon X2s will run out, and AMD will need a low-end product that's cheap to manufacture. So they can use their old 65nm lines to produce cheap, low-end dual-core Phenoms (with and without L3 cache). Of course at some point they will move to 45nm across the board and that will result in either lower power low-end chips, and/or faster low-end chips.

Cyril: ....45nm Phenoms mere months away.

Got your hands on a 45nm Phenom Quad to 'unofficially' benchmark yet?? The desktop Nehalem Quad has been 'unofficially' benchmarked many, many times and it supposedly is due to come out after AMD's AM2+ 45nm offerings......

The AMD 45nm release scenario reminds me of those movies that are released where the movie critics are not allowed to preview.........

[URL="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.salland.eu/category/gallery/467/socket-am2.html& sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result& prev=/search%3Fq%3D65674%2BAMD%2BAthlon64%2BX2%2B6500%252B%2BBlack%2BEdition%2B2.30%2BGHz,%2B2x%2B512kB%2B,%2BBoxed%26... /URL] ....a guy bought it from another forum (XS) and said he will post when he gets it with images etc.. so we'll see if it exist then...

It's noteworthy when a newer-generation chip is faster than its predecessor?

DAAMIT is in some deep doodoo.

What really perplexes me about that processor is that it's just 2.3 GHz. What in the world is it? A quad core that came out so bad, they had to disable two cores? And yet, it is a "black edition," suggesting that there is more in mind for it than it just being a random OEM part, like how the tri-cores came into being.

Didn't TR do a clock for clock comparison between X4 (downgraded via OS to 2x cores) against an AMD dual core? The gains were ~10-15%, clock for clock, right?

Honestly, at the price point that these would be sold at, i don't think it will make much of a difference. At that point hardly anyone is paying attention to performance, and AMD still has a ton of Athlons to sell.

I can see them saving the dual core Phenoms until all of the Athlons are gone. Hell, even then they might just drop the tri-core Phenoms into thier place (which i'd like to see).