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   #57. Posted at 01:22 PM on Sep 25th 2008 Edit   Reply
sreams
The bloat issue was never about included apps. It was about layers and layers of services that consume memory, and boot times. This isn't solving the problem one bit.
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#57, They are probably preparing for solid state drives for the O...  :  idiot@core  (#61)  «

   #13. Posted at 11:32 AM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
martin0641
Because the OS is supposed to be a memory manager and kernel, and some people want to be able to install a base OS and then add their own software from the ground up without first having to install the other BS first. It clutters the registry, and wastes time. Making an image for deployments is a lot easier when you don't have to strip crap out of the OS first.
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#13, Registry clutter? I don't understand.  :  Usacomp2k3  (#33)  «
#13, How about getting rid of the registry entirely.  :  DrCR  (#60)  «

   #1. Posted at 09:56 AM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
Saribro
Live Mail and Live Photo Gallery are better than the Vista-bundled apps anyway, so that's definitly a good move. Plus, it means less stuff that can't be uninstalled if you don't use it :).
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#1, Wrong. Live Photo Gallery is extremely slow with zoom and sc...  :  Meadows  (#5)  «
#5, Jim: Question; what is the best kind of bear? Dwight: Well...  :  Corrado  (#59)  «

   #10. Posted at 11:10 AM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
Corrado
Vista's photo gallery is pretty good... but why do they make it so hard to friggan RESIZE a photo? I don't want or need the 7mp photos that come out of my camera, and it seems like when I drop it on the camera itself to 3mp the quality suffers. Its another step of having a 3rd party program to resize photos easily. MS Photo Editor or whatever it is can do it, but its not very intuitive at all.
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#10, I have always used ms paint to re size photos. Just go to im...  :  Price0331  (#14)  «
#14, That feature would be SO much better if you could specify...  :  SpikeMeister  (#48)  «
#48, There's plenty of freeware/shareware for that, eg Irfa...  :  Anomymous Gerbil  (#52)  «
#52, I'm not saying there isn't any freeware for it, but...  :  Corrado  (#58)  «

   #15. Posted at 11:41 AM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
PRIME1
Now if only they could suck IE out of it.
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#15, Then they would really be on to something. Picture Windows 2...  :  Forge  (#16)  «
#15, Nlite is a god send for stuff like this. Take out what you d...  :  steelcity_ballin  (#31)  «
#15, Sure, but then how would you get Firefox/Opera/Safari/Chrome...  :  Saribro  (#47)  «
#47, apt-get......  :  PRIME1  (#51)  «
#51, LOL. How about bundling FF, Chrome and Safari installe...  :  AvKn  (#54)  «
#51, funny... really....  :  Saribro  (#55)  «
#47, command-line FTP FTW! But yeah, that's a pretty good quest...  :  derFunkenstein  (#56)  «

   #53. Posted at 07:43 AM on Sep 25th 2008 Edit   Reply
tay
What is Windows Live Mail etc? Do I need Hotmail? Do you think MS is going to do an iLife type bundle?
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   #50. Posted at 09:58 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
SpikeMeister
Keep in mind wave 4 of Windows Live apps will probably be accompanying the release of Windows 7, not the current wave 2 and wave 3 beta apps.
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   #49. Posted at 09:58 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
SpikeMeister
Windows Live Movie Maker is absolute SHIT compared to Windows Movie Maker. Has anyone tried it? You can't really do anything but put titles and credits on... I couldn't even find a cut function. In order for that to replace WMM a lot of work is going to have to be done for Windows Live wave 4 (assuming that's the one that will be accompanying Windows 7).
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   #46. Posted at 07:19 PM on Sep 24th 2008, Edited at 07:20 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
danazar
Actually with 7 replacing XP like XP replaced 98. ME, like Vista, was the generation that got skipped because of the mass suckage.

EDIT: Sorry, was supposed to be a reply to #30, guess I didn't hit the right button.
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   #2. Posted at 09:56 AM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
herothezero
I don't care about the video editing, but Vista's photo gallery is pretty good and why would you ship an OS without a mail client?
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#2, Because most people use web clients.  :  Meadows  (#3)  «
#2, Agreed. Vista's photo gallery is the bomb.  :  BKA  (#4)  «
#2, why would you ship an OS with a mail client?  :  grantmeaname  (#21)  «
#21, I doubt they're going to discontinue Windows Live Mail - ...  :  derFunkenstein  (#45)  «
#2, Consider the future: online (free) email is already more pop...  :  StashTheVampede  (#24)  «

   #44. Posted at 06:27 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
Chrispy_
Hell, it's about time.
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   #40. Posted at 05:39 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
PetMiceRnice
Back in the days of Windows 9x and ME, you could CHOOSE what components you wanted to install when you first installed Windows. It seems to me that this is the best idea.
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#40, Indeed. I'd like for them to keep the single-DVD style of Vi...  :  ChronoReverse  (#41)  «
#41, If windows xp was one cd, why did vista go to a dvd? Isn'...  :  shank15217  (#43)  «
#40, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/222444 Pretty much every mode...  :  indeego  (#42)  «

   #39. Posted at 05:25 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
green
bad step.

the right step would have been to ship the os with the software not installed automatically (and to make sure it's independent).

i can already hear the phone going off from relo's asking how to access their ISP's mail...

there's nothing wrong with shipping an os with a bunch of software. just don't have it pre-installed, and make sure it's independent.
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   #35. Posted at 04:24 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
Fighterpilot
Movie Maker works well in Vista,seems to be a wrong move to remove it.
Picasa and stuff like that are good enough replacements for Photo Gallery I suppose.For the money I paid for Vista,I want more stuff....not less.
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#35, RTFA! Similar programs will be offered as free downloads. On...  :  PRIME1  (#38)  «

   #22. Posted at 01:24 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
flip-mode
I will miss Movie Maker and Photo Gallery. Totally stupid to remove those things.

Gawd!
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#22, You can add them yourself after the system is set up, it's n...  :  Meadows  (#25)  «
#25, Yeah, I think it's a smart move. Put everything online an...  :  ImSpartacus  (#27)  «
#27, And by not being tied to the OS, they can be updated m...  :  no51  (#29)  «
#29, It's called Windows Update. Set to Automatic.  :  flip-mode  (#36)  «
#25, Where does the news post say that? You mean add them by d...  :  flip-mode  (#37)  «

   #34. Posted at 04:14 PM on Sep 24th 2008, Edited at 04:14 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
JSchwetz
edit: please ignore.
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   #6. Posted at 10:26 AM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
ssidbroadcast
Ok MovieMaker, srsly. Have you or anyone you know actually *used* this app? I know I haven't.
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#6, Yeah, it's actually really good for basic video editing.  :  Usacomp2k3  (#7)  «
#7, So is Quicktime Pro, and easier to use. I really do think...  :  derFunkenstein  (#18)  «
#18, I have used both Quicktime Pro and XP Movie Maker and ...  :  Smurfer2  (#19)  «
#19, Yeah, but when you're talking about a $130 app comp...  :  derFunkenstein  (#20)  «
#18, Yeah, but that's not free. I have Premiere Elements fo...  :  Usacomp2k3  (#32)  «
#6, If you haven't used it at all how do you make a judgement on...  :  ChronoReverse  (#8)  «
#6, I have... good at basic video editing. The Vista version is ...  :  Xenolith  (#12)  «

   #28. Posted at 03:06 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
PeterD
So, what they're actually trying is to replace Vista by 7?
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#28, Kinda like how Vista replaces XP and XP replaces ME and ME r...  :  ChronoReverse  (#30)  «

   #26. Posted at 02:15 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
indeego
Never bothered with checking out either of Vista's photo or movie applications because they sucked so hard on XP I had long since used 3rd party replacements.

Guess they've come forward some int he meantime, too bad, I still like the third party replacements better. Oh well.
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   #23. Posted at 01:55 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
Jon
Why OH WHYYYYY!!!!! *sniff* oh....nevermind, I don't use those apps anyway.
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   #17. Posted at 12:48 PM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
derFunkenstein
Sure, if you choose not to bundle them with the OS, you can go with mLife, Mirosoft's iLife-style suite with casual/home video editing, photo albums/editing, cheesy web development, and music sequencing where you can make the soundtracks for your videos.

Not that I'm complaining; in theory because you'd be paying extra for it, you'd expect something nicer than Windows Movie Maker.
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   #11. Posted at 11:29 AM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
DreadCthulhu
Not a big deal to me. I use Thunderbird & various webmail accounts, don't do any video editing, and don't need a photo gallery program.
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   #9. Posted at 11:06 AM on Sep 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
Unckmania
That's a move aimed at the geeks. I bet mos people love those apps, but the geeks hate to uninstall them and get their app of choice running
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