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   #62. Posted at 12:57 PM on Aug 5th 2009 Edit   Reply
jalyst
not watching this thread anymore, & as this forum doesn't email you upon response, if anyone wants to reply you're best using jedi.theone at gmail etc.

adios
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   #61. Posted at 12:55 PM on Aug 5th 2009 Edit   Reply
jalyst
Guess not.... :-(
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   #59. Posted at 09:36 AM on Aug 4th 2009, Edited at 09:40 AM on Aug 4th 2009 Edit   Reply
jalyst
But what about as a base for a NAS? How does the 730I/9X00 compare to Intel's Q45?
Yes I know both are major overkill but it prolly wont end-up as purely a NAS...

I don't care about GPU comparisons (but all the reviews around seem to focus on that!) what's more important to me is....

Mem-CPU performance/expandability,
SB I/O performance/features...
RAID performance/features....
Top-notch BIOS (depends entirely on mobo OEM I guess)
Moderate OC'er
Nice touches like: VT-d, TXT...
And others which I forget, damn my goldfish memory!
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#59, anyone? any thoughts/opinions?  :  jalyst  (#60)  «

   #2. Posted at 08:57 AM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
Fighterpilot
I wonder what the failure rate will be on these?
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#2, Not nearly as high as your posts.  :  PRIME1  (#3)  «
#3, ZING!  :  Mourmain  (#9)  «
#3, Well, then i wouldn't buy it :(  :  Jigar  (#37)  «
#37, ...ultra fail  :  jonybiskit  (#58)  «

   #57. Posted at 07:37 PM on Nov 24th 2008, Edited at 08:50 PM on Nov 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
Phatkat
Nice try but at that price i'd go with a G31 and a nice discrete card. Or a Biostar TA790GX A2+ 2 $99 with 2 x PCIex16 2.0 for crossfire I disagree 100% that IGP is useless: not every one is a teenager full of sugar wishing to play Crysis! Some of us are home owners that want a HTPC in a nice casing to share high quality/blueray movies with the family and if an IGP with low power/heat consumption in a HTPC case can do this it is a God send!
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   #56. Posted at 07:17 PM on Nov 24th 2008 Edit   Reply
murtle
IGP is useless in every aspect.
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   #55. Posted at 09:56 AM on Oct 29th 2008, Edited at 10:06 AM on Oct 29th 2008 Edit   Reply
MadManOriginal
I was going to ask if this is vaporware paper launch after Google searching recently but Newegg has an Asus board listed now. Still not good availability considering the launch date though.

Kind of deceptive advertising on Asus' product page. There's a speil about Hybridpower then a disclaimer that '*Due to chipset behavior, HybridPower is not supported by P5N7A-VM motherboard.' Umm...first why have the explanation of the feature at all, second why lie and say it's 'chipset behavior' implying that the chipset lacks something?
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   #54. Posted at 09:20 PM on Oct 26th 2008, Edited at 09:24 PM on Oct 26th 2008 Edit   Reply
runkelstrunk
Geoff, unfortunately you missed to note:
- How much system memory was allocated as graphics memory (in BIOS / driver)?
- At what IGP core clocks did the other contestants run?
- Which of the ATI/AMD IGPs had "Side Port Memory (SPM)"? Which memory type (DDR2 / DDR3), speed and size?
An update of the review would be much appreciated.
Good review, but as always "there is always room for improvement".
Thanks,
Runkelstrunk
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   #49. Posted at 09:30 AM on Oct 19th 2008, Edited at 09:31 AM on Oct 19th 2008 Edit   Reply
QWERTYu
That what shocks me is the improvement in ATI chipset performance in SATA average write test ! I understand it's off-topic , but I'd like to know how that happens - in G780 and GX790 tests here they have ~43MB/s and now almost twice around 80GB/s
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#49, If you're referring to older reviews, we were using a WD1500...  :  Dissonance  (#52)  «
#52, Dissonance thank You very much for the answer ...  :  QWERTYu  (#53)  «

   #51. Posted at 12:49 PM on Oct 20th 2008 Edit   Reply
StuG
looks like ATI still is on top personally in this sector...
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   #50. Posted at 09:07 PM on Oct 19th 2008 Edit   Reply
SS4
The 9400 is so much better, any1 know the price difference?
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   #32. Posted at 07:30 PM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
mattthemuppet
great review and good mobo, shame about the idle power consumption though.

Shame about the price too - for HTPC and desktop sytems, X2+780/740G is still cheaper than E2180+G45/9300
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#32, actually with a stronger E7300, Intel G33 chipset and 4670 m...  :  toyota  (#36)  «
#36, that's impressive - shows how incredible both the E7300 a...  :  mattthemuppet  (#48)  «

   #4. Posted at 09:11 AM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
PRIME1
Nvidia has the best integrated graphics core for gaming

Something I'm guessing Apple already knew.
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#4, why would Apple care?  :  grantmeaname  (#7)  «
#7, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/index.xml  :  PRIME1  (#13)  «
#4, Yeah all those apple games will really shine now.  :  indeego  (#8)  «
#4, Anandtech actually has a review using quad core CPUs. Good N...  :  Bombadil  (#11)  «
#11, You're right, Anand and Gary's review outclasses this one...  :  Prototyped  (#22)  «
#22, Thinking about it some more the decision of Anand/Gary...  :  Bombadil  (#23)  «
#23, I like Anandtech's depth. I can't stand reading the...  :  indeego  (#25)  «
#25, same here - you could take out every 2nd word of...  :  mattthemuppet  (#30)  «
#4, Yeah, this chipset makes the new MacBooks good enough for li...  :  derFunkenstein  (#47)  «

   #46. Posted at 05:39 AM on Oct 17th 2008, Edited at 05:41 AM on Oct 17th 2008 Edit   Reply
fpsduck
All I want to see is how much power consumption HybridPower on Intel can be achieved.
Unfortunately, no info for GeForce card that can this feature yet. :-(

http://www.nvidia.com/object/hybrid_sli_desktop.html
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   #44. Posted at 02:47 PM on Oct 16th 2008 Edit   Reply
Bombadil
How hard would it be to put say a 8 MB SDRAM frame buffer on the same die or package with the IGP? Is the Xenos design just too expensive?
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#44, What would you do with 8MB of frame buffer? Under 2D use, th...  :  ludi  (#45)  «

   #10. Posted at 10:07 AM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
grantmeaname
"Curious to see how additional eye candy affected the performance of the GeForce 9300 and 790GX, we cranked Half-Life 2 Episode Two and Call of Duty 4 up to high detail, keeping the display resolution at 800x600. In Episode Two, the two IGPs were evenly matched, both posting average frame rates around 34 FPS. Call of Duty 4 switched things up a little, dropping the 9300 to second place with 23.6 FPS while the 790GX was able to manage just under 27 frames per second."

Doesn't this mean the 790GX is a stronger IGP with a weaker CPU?
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#10, I don't think it's because the cpu is weaker - it's because ...  :  mczak  (#40)  «
#40, I am not sure if the 790GX is memory bandwidth limited--t...  :  Bombadil  (#41)  «
#41, sideport memory doesn't really add that much to bandwi...  :  mczak  (#43)  «
#40, Just wanted to say the same. The 9300 has the big advantag...  :  Rza79  (#42)  «

   #39. Posted at 07:10 AM on Oct 16th 2008 Edit   Reply
stmok
...it gives me the impression that this chipset was rushed out the door.

Because it was! They had to push this out. Its was delayed once already when the B1 stepping silicon didn't satisfactorily remedy A1's issues. (This was back in May).

Manufacturer's decided to wait for the B2 stepping silicon (if that failed, they were going elsewhere for their IGPs)...And if you carefully look at the 2nd photo on the first page of this review. There it is! The chip with "B2" attached on the label!
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   #38. Posted at 06:57 AM on Oct 16th 2008 Edit   Reply
Hattig
Looks like a good choice of chipset for an Intel based system to me.
All the important things perform well, if not excellently.
It has a small footprint and can be passively cooled.
Power use is under control.

This is clearly the chipset to use for a media PC, and it takes this crown away from the 780G solution that was previously best. AMD - fix the SATA issues that appear to be an issue.

Maybe someone will pair an underclocked version of this chipset with Atom in a netbook :)
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   #24. Posted at 12:49 PM on Oct 15th 2008, Edited at 12:55 PM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
Bombadil
From a power usage/performance perspective this new IGP currently looks to be a complete fail--much higher idle power usage than a discrete HD 4670! :(
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#24, Much higher idle power usage than a discrete HD 4670 ? I thi...  :  Silus  (#35)  «

   #34. Posted at 11:54 PM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
crabjokeman
Nvidia: you can kill the nForce name, but you'll always be an nFurnace to me. <3
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   #33. Posted at 10:02 PM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
YeuEmMaiMai
waits to see if nvidia chipset shortcomings regarding stability are fixed
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   #17. Posted at 10:42 AM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
bmegnes
I'm curious, why would you guys use a CPU on AMD's side that's specifically for lower power and not performance? Looking on Newegg the E2180 is $69 The X2 5200+ at 2.7GHz is $66. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103210

Since we can't test identical CPUs unfortunately, wouldn't you want to have CPUs that meet in price?
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#17, Because that processor is at least as fast as the E2180 in m...  :  shank15217  (#18)  «
#18, I don't think that's true.  :  bmegnes  (#19)  «
#17, Because they want to highlight motherboard differences, not ...  :  Meadows  (#20)  «
#20, Right, but wouldn't you want a CPU that performs closer t...  :  bmegnes  (#21)  «
#21, I thought the given dogma was Core2Duo = X2+0.5GHz. Th...  :  mattthemuppet  (#31)  «

   #29. Posted at 04:34 PM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
AmishRakeFight
wanna plug an 8500GT into it for further testing? I have two you can have for a song and a dance.
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   #5. Posted at 09:45 AM on Oct 15th 2008, Edited at 09:49 AM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
macanon
While I don't mind seeing nVidia cranking out a good chipset, I wouldn't recommend any nVidia graphics at the moment considering the state of their drivers.

More specifically, I'm irritated over the fact that there is no way of showing any video played back on a primary monitor also being played back in full screen on the secondary output / TV for their latest (from 8xxx and forward) series of cards. See their knowledgebase if you want more information.

Just for this reason I'll continue recommending ATI chipsets and graphic cards for anyone who might enjoy this functionality.
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#5, I'd be more concerned with their ability to create a reliabl...  :  5150  (#12)  «
#5, What's wrong with their drivers? I like their drivers. Speedy...  :  Meadows  (#14)  «
#14, http://indeego.com/oldtechpics/nvidiacrash.png meh. about ...  :  indeego  (#26)  «
#26, I've seen that many times myself, but it was never a r...  :  Meadows  (#28)  «

   #27. Posted at 02:50 PM on Oct 15th 2008, Edited at 02:50 PM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
indeego
Availability Soon

Any more details? I have a system build that I'm probably starting in two weeks this could fit the need for.
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   #16. Posted at 10:40 AM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
flip-mode
I am impressed by this board. Excellent peripheral performance, excellent SATA performance, best integrated graphics performance, and very acceptable overclocking. Quadfecta. If I was building a system right now, this would be the mobo.
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   #1. Posted at 08:13 AM on Oct 15th 2008, Edited at 09:09 AM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
Bombadil
nVidia needs to fix the idle power issue. Otherwise I would be very interested in getting rid of my Intel chipset motherboard. Too bad we won't see an Intel platform version AMD's 780G.

Apple claims the MCP79 in the new Mac Books is lower power than the GM965 (13.5W TDP).
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#1, 60 watts total system sounds great to me.  :  flip-mode  (#15)  «

   #6. Posted at 09:58 AM on Oct 15th 2008 Edit   Reply
grantmeaname
typo in the table on page 1...

"AMD 780G AMD 780G Intel G45 Express Nvidia GeForce 8300 Nvidia GeForce 9300"

the second "AMD 780G" should be "AMD 790GX"
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