IMHO, that monitor is really limiting it's potential to pretty much being Mac-only. What a shame.

One of my bosses saw this and is getting it. First Mac ever.

NeXt-->NT4-->W2K-->XP-->OSX. heh, kinda funny to see it come full circle.

for those wondering here's how the glossy screen looks (ripped from engadget. no flash) and why people generally don't like it:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/mbp_im_1.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/macbook_refle...
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/cd07.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/cd12.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/cd11.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/cd01.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/apple-new-mac...
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/apple-new-mac...

also in lower light conditions:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/10/mbp12.jpg

I am disappointed by the prices. The market is not at the $2000+ level, although there is some market there. The vast majority of the market is between $600 and $1200, at which Apple barely registers. I do think they are now offering much more for the money than they were before, but it's still disappointing that they don't have a lower entry point.

I suspect that with all the economic tribulation occurring, they will have to at some point introduce something more in the mass market simply to maintain some of the market share they've gained.

Lastly, can anyone explain to me why I should want a glass trackpad? This seems more like a liability than a plus and I don't see that it offers any functionality that couldn't have been added to a regular pad.

Heh, I just Craigslisted my Mini. Someone drive here and buy it so I can go shopping.

Too bad about the price, though. I was really moist for a Macbook at $800-900 with nVidia's integrated graphics. I'd be keeping the Mini as a server if a pair of these wasn't going to cost me $2600.

The black borders look crappy and it appears that they no longer offer the matte finish anywhere except the old 17" model. Are they selling toys to idiots, or real computers? I write this from the last revision of 17" PB G4, which I like a lot. Happy to see the old 17" hangs on a bit longer.

I guess the graphics boost makes the MB Air more interesting in comparison to its competitors, which as far as I know, are all running Intel graphics.

Much love on the 24" LED screen. Look at the Samsung competitor and it's over 2k, doesn't have speakers or webcam!

I will rather buy an Alienware laptop than to buy in this very expensive/not good to play platform

I wouldn't touch anything nvidia with a 10 foot pole

I'm not a laptop person and I do understand how glossy screens could be a problem for laptops. But for non-portables a good glossy screen kicks ass, I finally settled on NEC 20WMGX2 after trying a few popular monitors including Dell 2407. The former is like looking at the image itself not at the screen surface, you look *though* the surface to the image with nothing in between which is how it should be, the latter was like looking at a gritty and grainy version of the same image as if there was a thin layer of sparkly sand coating the screen; and that was supposed to be a good monitor?

The funny thing about reflections is that CRTs had them too ;) (anti-glare coatings not withstanding, they never worked 100%) and many people still consider them the reference. It's all personal preference in the end but I wonder how many people have tried both types before going with the FUD-ish old bit that many websites used to throw about by showing reflections on a glossy monitor that was turned off (because of course turned off is the way a monitor is used.)

Some of you guys are bashing Apple glossy screen without ever using one (Apple store doesn't count).
Im on a year old MBP glossy LED screen, and it is one of the BEST and brightest screens i have ever seen used (I also have a 2007WPF on my desktop, so i too like quality).
I always use my laptop near two large windows, and i never ever have problems with reflections. As opposed to my girlfriends Dell inspiron with a glossy screen, she can't stand it and hates her laptop, and is infinitely jealous of my laptop.

The lack of Firewire or eSATA or an ExpressCard slot on the MacBook is disappointing. 1394a (at least of the 4-pin variety) is more or less standard in notebooks these days. It's unfortunate that Apple, once champion of the interface, has dropped it. Clearly they have market segmentation thoughts in mind.

IMO the $2000 entry point of the MacBook Pro is too much for features that are readily available on machines less than half the cost. Come on Apple, even Sony has SD card slots in their notebooks these days. Additionally, I'm sure there are people out (like me) who don't really want the size of notebook that a 15.4" screen demands.

Sorry, but there's no "MUST BUY" from me, even if I could afford it.

waits for reports of Nvidia's core locgic sucking ass on the mac side

Hidden in this update is the fact that the MacBook Air finally gets a 45nm processor.

Bold move though making the new 24" monitor mini-DisplayPort only. I wonder if it will take a DVI signal through an appropriate adapter.

These look nice and all, but...

...they still don't have a built-in card reader. That's retarded.

Who the hell at Apple is so in love with themselves that they sincerely believe people actually want glossy monitors in laptops and iMacs?

It's just retarded.

So much for having an affordable and decent MacBook come out :-\

Can't say I'm surprised though.

all aluminum construct...yummy! 0.0

As with previous new model releases you'll find the real deal is the Apple Stores refurbs where the previous gen's models are going for really sweet prices -- up to about $1000 off MacBook Pro's.

#28 I love shinny monitors because colors seem more saturated and correct. However I'll be the first one to admitt that I can't use one in my home office because I'm surrounded by large windows.

I really wished for a $899 Macbook. My old powerbook G4 will have to wait until Apple decides to allow us to use 4 GB+ (I would like to see 8GB) of ram in our notebooks so I can replace my workstation. I just can't justify both, even if my powerbook fails me. I do like the change to a better graphics subsystem though.

Price FAIL. :(
I mean, I love the new features, but upping the price of entry by $200 to reach them? Low.

A $1000 model is nice, I guess, but by this point even with the lower price that's a pretty steep Apple tax, especially since all the new programs are going to be written assuming you have a multi-touch trackpad. If Apple wants to keep around their old model for a lower-cost product they should at least have given it "real feature" parity. :(

I love Apple hardware, but all they've done here is create a new boutique laptop.

MacBook Pro
MacBook Pro Lite

Too expensive.
Even the cheap plastic MacBook went up £20 in the UK. No price drop for us. Screw that.

In terms of laptop body, this is probably the most robust you'll get in that form factor ever. The trackpad is going to be very nice as well. But even I can't justify that money for a replacement laptop.

DisplayPort is a packetized protocol, so converting to DVI/HDMI isn't a trivial connector change: you need active electronics to consume the packets and drive the TDMS signals (or vice versa). "Dual Mode" Displayport exists, but that merely brings the DVI signals out to the connector on separate pins, and I doubt Apple has done this (especially on a "mini" connector).

By going DisplayPort only, Apple avoids paying the Silicon Image tax (saving them a buck or two on COGS for the monitor).

First of all, two of the rumors were right:

I must say the accuracy of the Apple rumor mill puts the PC mill to shame.

Accidental double post. Delete this.

The glass touchpads are multi-touch, so you can iPhone addicts can pinch and swipe like Rainman...