(finishes post and puts on flame protection body amour and headgear. Sprints to car with a snipe-proof body and burns rubber... :-P)

Okay, I'm bored, don't snipe me on this...

I was just browsing thru the AMD site and I encountered this li'l comparison between P4 and XP... Including an IPC bit...

Assuming that they are correct in stating the XP has an IPC of 9 and the P4 of 6:

1.53 * 9.00 = 13.77
2.00 * 6.00 = 12.00
2.20 * 6.00 = 13.20

Here we see that unless Intel manage to up the IPC for the Northwood (which it might a little bit with the extra cache etc.), the XP should reign supreme in all but the Q3A and 3DMark benches...

I'm estimating, from a purely guessing point of view, that the cache might increase the IPC of P4 by up to 1/2 an IPC... they will have to increase it though by over 1/4 IPC...

2.20 * 6.25 = 13.75

Sorry if I'm whining on here, and I'm probably wrong, but it still looks as if the XP can hold on for a while...

One last thing, if the 1900+ was to be released within spitting distance of the 2.2 P4, then the XP would still reign by a long way... 1610MHz was it?

1.61 * 9.00 = 14.49
2.20 * 6.50 = 14.30

(Some notes: That last one was assuming that Intel get the P4 up to 6.5 IPC. I've also ommited all them zeros because they have no real effect on the results, i.e. all the results cancel down.)

Originally Posted by dissonance
[q]My local vendor now has Athlon XP 1600,1700 pricing... whoa.
I just don\'t get Intel with their pentium pricing... obviously they don\'t see that Athlon is taking over the consumer market.

With Windows2000/XP now fully supporting Athlon... Intel could go the way of IBM.[/q]
Funny, Intel has no problems clearing what inventory it does have (yes, there are shortages, etc.. but it\'s still impressive). If Intel is selling out, they don\'t need to be price-competitive with AMD.

Intel going the way of IBM? Excuse me? OEMs are on Intel like Gerbils are on our comments. There\'s no way Intel is losing out here, not with Dell and company cranking out P4 systems.

Okay, so now we've got over the whole "yeay yeay AthlonXP is great everyone!" thing, can I be really picky here?

Why does AMD STILL not include a decent use of the DDR memory...

Using DDR properly gives u 2100 MB ... okay I know that the P4 only uses 1/2 it's bandwidth available, but the point is the bandwidth is there for media and stuff that use it, but AMD still don't use the stuff...

Apart from that, keep it up AMD with the chips and the flash stuff on ur site, definitly and improvement :-),
IntelMole

[q]Uh, Craig P.? You've got to look at the P4, not the Athlon 1.4 - the actual increase is over 16%. ;)[/q]Oops, sorry. -Just- over 16%. OK, closer to 15% than 20%. Still a little far to be calling it "nearly," anyway.

My local vendor now has Athlon XP 1600,1700 pricing... whoa.
I just don't get Intel with their pentium pricing... obviously they don't see that Athlon is taking over the consumer market.

With Windows2000/XP now fully supporting Athlon... Intel could go the way of IBM.

Then you have the Child walking with his parent analogue...
The child have to take more steps to achieve the same distance or speed, while the adult take fewer steps....
Athlon=Adult
P4=Child

cheers

IntelMole (#59), that link has some interesting stuff. To quote:[q]Picture this: A Blue Car with a 6-cylinder engine is racing a Green Car with a more powerful, 8-cylinder engine. The Blue Car's engine works hard by running at high RPMs. The Green Car, on the other hand, runs at lower RPMs but can [blow the doors of/b] the Blue Car. Why? Because the Green Car is designed for a [b]more efficient, faster driving experience.[/b][/q] Wasn't it Dissonance who recently whined that automobile analogies had no place in computer discussions? :)

Well, to keep him happy, they also did a bicycle one: [q]Two cyclists ride together on 10-speed bikes. One cyclist uses the 10th gear and pedals slower but moves faster down the road and ocvers a [breat distanc/b] with each stroke. The other cyclist uses 1st gear and has to pedal like a lunatic to achieve the same speed and cover the same ground as his partner.[/q]Heh, heh... at least they're trying.

amd tech site says it does 9 ops per clock cycle,
and intel only 6.

why not call XP 9x1.53 or 13.77
compared to intel's 6x2 or 12.00

Clearly Athlon (like the gold ole boys down in Redmond) is listening to the average user... good solid easy computing done cheaply.
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Good, solid, cheap?
The Amiga was out 10 years before the stupid term 'multimedia' was coined. MS crapware was still chirpring from its internal speaker and commandline was norm. Was this listening to the average user? Is MS' licensing really cheap?

hey every1, I know I'm slow and every1 has already read the site already in a bid to find out as much as possible, but head on over to http://athlonxp.amd.com if u fancy a lesson in PR

That's Public Relations, not Pentium Rating :-),
IntelMole

Gag. Slipping in factless WinXP praise, in a comment full of AthlonXP praise. What about those of us who never really loved Windows at all? There are quite a few of us, and I'd imagine a lot of people have a comment to make about 'XP is the best OS ever made.... period'.

Right, 37, you are an Intel fanboy, and you wouldn't be too far off if u called me an AMD fanboy, well at the moment anyway...

You bring up absolutely nothing to prove what you are saying... whereas we in the know, er, KNOW that Intel has been loosing market share almost constantly ever since the Athlon gained a real prominence, despite Intel having "money for superior engineers" and all that bull... now that the P4 is out @ 2GHz, it has probably been gaining a little bit of market share (though I doubt it, but I have no figures to disprove it and the whole clock speed disparity thing would suggest this...).

Now that the Athlon XP is out, AMD's share should go back up again... note the brilliant piece of marketing (marketing?AMD?)
"Outperforms competing 1.8GHz processors" then "QuantiSpeed runs at 1.53GHz"

picture the scene: J. Sixpack reads paper... reads ad...
"helloooo.... Outperforms 1.8GHz ... runs at 1.53GHz" (hype overload starts in the brain of Joe Sixpack) "OMG I gotta rush down to the store/newspaper shop to get the deal on this..." (jumps off chair, puts can of beer down, puts his trainers on, and sprints to the nearest magazine outfit...belly goin like a bra-less breast up and down up and down :-)

1 converted customer...

AMD are bang on the money in my view to show Joe Sixpack that their tech is faster by using the Model stuff...

Just my opinion, and no offence to all you skinny Americans out there, you know who you are :-),
IntelMole

Athlon XP couldn't be more aptly named.

XP is the best OS ever made... period... and Athlon XP is probably the best CPU ever made... period. I can't wait for October 25th so that I can order my new box and marry the two.

Clearly Athlon (like the gold ole boys down in Redmond) is listening to the average user... good solid easy computing done cheaply. I don't know what Intel is thinking these days... they are pricing themselves out of a market. tsk tsk

Good try AMD, but you're not long for this world and we'll really miss ya. (And those are sincere words). But the bottom line is --- Life is tough, Life is rough. And $$$ rules.
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According to that logic, the guy with the most money will always have the most money and will 'rule' his domain for eternity. Unfortunately, things are little different in reality, or 'life'.

Not saying that Intel is going down the crapper anytime soon, but neither am I saying that AMD is. We'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

For all we know, a breakthrough could come out of a complete unknown company and they'll lead the pack for the next 20 years because of their superior tech alone. You just never know..

Hehe.

'37' is obviously a troll. You people must be mad bored to even acknowledge 'him'.

Uh, Craig P.? You've got to look at the P4, not the Athlon 1.4 - the actual increase is over 16%. ;)

BTW, very interesting that on Sphinx, it's the AMD processors that benefit from the Intel compilers. I found that amusing.

Page 9, Serious Sam - it's just under 15% advantage, not nearly 20%. It's closer to 10% than 20%. (120 to 106, difference of 14)

#37
I saw a past were nvidia struggled thru hard days and overcame.
I saw a ignorant company that wouldnt accept there own destruction dispite it was sitting upon them.
I saw a graphicsgiant killed by the brave David.
I saw the death of 3dfx.

Ring a bell?

The only prob here is that now the roles are reversed.
Power corrupts, and thats the truth. But somewere, somehow, somone, wait for the right moment and overcome.

Death to intel and their ignorance, Hail AMD.

And jesss im full off crap.... :)

Originally Posted by ---k
ag46- VIA\'s crappy chipset support also left many potential customers at bay. It wasn\'t until this year that Athlon based chipsets really came into their own.

Fallow up to 47

Oh-yeah, and I get the same performce or EVEN better then the p4...now that is life, must be a crummy shack you are living in #37.

#37

I dont know about you but life is not always tough, its how tough you make it yourself.

For example: my 2 new rig, both going to the be Athlon XP 1800+ for about $500 or less. Now if I bought 2 p4's thats $1000+. Thats a 500 difference. Life is tough...what should I buy with the $500 I've save? =oP

#37 - If Intel has superior technology and superior engineers, then how come the 0.18u AthlonXP's are faster than the 0.18u P4's (and 0.18u 3's for that matter).

AMD haven't even reached the end of the line with their 0.18u AthlonXP's yet. They are going to get a whole lot faster (probably 1.8GHz - maybe 1.866GHz) before they need to move to 0.13u.

Intel only has a chance of staying ahead of AMD through superior manufacturing processes, not through superior engineering, design or technology of their CPU's.

AMD has trounced Intel at every step since they introduced the Athlon over 2 years ago, it's only Intel's superior marketplace acceptance that's been keeping it wrongfully in the position it currently holds today.

If you want to talk about a joke, how about Timna? Itanium? i820 MCP? FDIV? RDRAM for P3?

Intel needed the P4 and they needed it bad. Frankly it's the only good thing they have going for them today, and frankly if that's as good as it gets for Intel's design engineers today, then they really have fallen a long way from the "good ol' days".

31,

Fair Enough. :)

Was the ibm drive firmware upgraded?
Were the Intel and AMD chipset drivers updated?

Never see the small things like these that may also make a difference...

#37, there's so much more to it than that.

You say Intel can afford better engineers... true... but you're obviously not one of them. Most computer/electrical engineers I know do not WANT to work for Intel... shitty work - one drone amoungst the thousands with no real reward aside from a paycheck.

For myself, and most of my collegues (sp?), I'd much rather be an actual, contributing (in some finite way) part of a project... an opportunity much more likely to be given at a place like AMD than Intel.

The rest of your catch phrases and buzzwords are empty enough to not require rebuttal.... but I'm sure there will be more volunteers to sit your gerbil ass back down.

haha just saw this at the shack:

http://users.eastlink.ca/~willm/moneyshoes/

I think Microsoft should buy them and make Money Shoes XP.

diss - TheInq isn't entirely in the know. There are lots of folks with contacts much better than theirs (No insult to TheInq intended.)

Hammer will be out before H2 2002. Mark my words.

#37 are you for real?