Avatar: First impressions

Last night, I went to see the Avatar premiere. James Cameron’s massively hyped CG epic came out in Europe a couple of days ahead of the U.S. for some reason, so I now have a chance to spoil the movie for most of you guys. Sweet! I even selected a theater that was showing the film in full stereoscopic 3D glory, so I pretty much got the full experience.

Well, except for one detail: the thing was dubbed in French. Yes, all movies are dubbed over here, especially big blockbusters. The dubbing admittedly sounds pretty seamless—all of the right post-processing effects are applied—but any English speaker will find himself cringing in certain parts, like when the infamous "Ladies and gentlemen, you’re not in Kansas anymore" line from the trailer turns into "Mesdames et messieurs, vous n’êtes plus au Kan-sas." Bleh.

First and foremost, though, I went to see Avatar to figure out if the hoopla surrounding the visuals and 3D cinematography was justified. This movie has been hyped for many things, but one of them is definitely the newfangled stereo HD cameras James Cameron put together. According to this Wired piece (entitled "James Cameron’s New 3-D Epic Could Change Film Forever"), we can credit Cameron for almost single-handedly persuading theater owners to invest in stereoscopic 3D projection. The filmmaker even let other directors, including Spy Kids 3-D‘s Robert Rodriguez, shoot with his camera system in order to spur demand.

Avatar also took something like 14 years to develop. Cameron reportedly wanted to create a completely believable computer-generated world and characters, and he had to wait until the technology allowed him to pursue his vision without compromise. None of that 1990s fakey-looking CG here, no sir. What a visionary!

Now, let me pause briefly to say that, before the first teaser trailer came out earlier this year, I didn’t know the first thing about Avatar. Heck, I hadn’t even heard of it. I thought the trailer looked sort of neat, but I couldn’t really understand why everyone was so incredibly excited. I had to read the aforementioned Wired story to join in the excitement.

The visuals

So, last night, I eagerly sat in my theater seat and waited for the show to begin. My impressions of the graphics were two-fold: one, the CG rainforest of Pandora looks completely believable and absolutely incredible. Unless I started thinking too hard about why trees were so big or why a mountain floating in thin air had a waterfall coming out of it (where’s the water coming from, huh?), I just bought it lock, stock, and barrel. Sometimes, I genuinely wondered whether I was looking at a live-action set or a CG one. I guess that’s the point.

Two, the 3D cinematography added nothing to the experience. In a way, it almost detracted from the visuals. I’ll admit we were among the last people to walk in, and as a result, we had to sit pretty close to the screen. I therefore didn’t get the absolute best 3D experience. Separately from that, however, the 3D glasses just made Pandora look dimmer and less vibrant. I think dimness is already a problem with standard theater projections to begin with, at least compared to a good LCD display, so the goggles only made things worse. Just poor contrast and saturation all around.

The 3D effects worked very well, mind you. They made Pandora look exceedingly realistic at times, causing no headaches or nausea in the process. I pretty much forgot about the 3D half an hour into the movie, though, and I was only reminded when something flashed in the foreground… or when the goggles induced double vision, probably because I was wearing them over my regular prescription glasses.

For the life of me, though, I can’t understand the appeal of 3D cinema like this. I’ve never looked at a photograph or a painting and thought, "Yeah, this looks okay, but it would be so much better if I got an artificial sense of depth by looking at it through thick-framed sunglasses." Why should a movie be any different? The goggles, the dimness, and the occasional double vision gave Cameron’s beautifully rendered alien rainforest the same aftertaste as a gimmicky theme park short. I don’t know anyone who’s ever had trouble immersing themselves in a 2D movie; I don’t see how adding depth and taking away some of the image quality is supposed to help.

On a separate note, this may be one of the last movies I go see in a conventional theater. Every single time I’ve been in the past few years, I’ve come out disappointed by the image quality. It’s usually too dim, too blurry, and too flickery. I think we’ve gotten to the point where watching a movie at home gives you a better experience, which is pretty unfortunate. In a way, I can’t help but feel like stereoscopic 3D is a last-ditch effort by the movie industry to make theaters deliver added value. As far as I’m concerned, the semi-awkward 3D is only one more reason to wait for the Blu-ray or DVD.

The movie

This section will include some spoilers, so if you want to experience Avatar with a mind as fresh as the morning snow, stop reading now.

As impressed as I was with Avatar‘s CG graphics, the script just seemed like an unimaginative blend of Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, and The Smurfs. Cameron succeeded in creating exquisitely detailed and masterfully animated aliens capable of displaying believable emotion, only to make them spout banal, simplistic lines. The Na’vi may have their own indigenous language spoken throughout the film, but it plays no important part, since all the important Na’vi characters speak English (or French, in my case) from the outset. And the Na’vi have the exact same vocal range as humans despite being 10 feet tall and from an alien moon, so they end up speaking only with a slight accent. Neat, huh?

The story can be summed up as follows… actually, the trailer pretty much explains it all: Soulless Corporation has a mining colony on Pandora, an alien world that orbits a blue version of Jupiter. Jake Sully (John Smith), a former marine who’s paralyzed from the waist down and apparently has no friends, is tasked with assimilating himself among the Na’vi (who are also blue), gaining their trust, and convincing them to relocate so the Soulless Corporation can mine a really precious mineral from under the giant tree they all live in. Jake remotely pilots a genetically engineered Na’vi-human hybrid to do this. He soon meets a female Na’vi warrior named Naytiri (Smurfette/Pocahontas), who shows him what it means to be in touch with nature on Pandora. None of the Na’vi except Smurfette seem to like him, but he takes the Na’vi’s side anyway, betraying and slaughtering his former comrades so the Na’vi can stay in their tree.

Almost all of the characters in this epic are strictly one-dimensional. Soulless Corporation has no clear motive—the film glosses over the fact that the mineral under the Na’vi Hometree is worth "20 million a kilo," but there’s no explanation of why it’s in such high demand or what it does—and the main antagonist (Gargamel) calls the Na’vi "savages" and considers them sub-human scum. I guess circa-19th-century colonial imperialism is back in full force in the 2150s. The Na’vi, meanwhile, are completely good: they even mourn the creatures they kill for sustenance, although their tribe also includes a number of warriors. Not sure how that fits together, exactly.

Toward the end, Gargamel delivers a cartoon villain speech to the remaining faithful mercenaries, saying the Na’vi are about to attack. To survive, the mercs must "fight terror with terror" and "attack pre-emptively," he says. Perhaps Cameron was attempting to draw some sort of parallel here, but if he did, it was far too subtle for me to pick up. By the way, Gargamel’s pre-emptive strike involves blowing up the Na’vi’s monoetheistic goddess tree to crush their spirit for "generations and generations." Did we mention he was evil?

At one point in the movie, you learn that the forests of Pandora are actually a giant neural network, sort of like a moon-sized brain. So, destroying them is really bad. But the entire movie has been demonizing Soulless Corporation non-stop at that point, so this discovery only serves to justify a brief deus ex machina moment: when the final battle between the Na’vi and the colonists seems lost, the creatures of Pandora suddenly turn against the invaders. Also, one of the fierce carnivorous beasts lets Smurfette ride it to fight the evil colonists.

Cameron seems to have gone for a similar "Remember, kids, recycle!" message as in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within and Wall-e. Here, that message is only cemented by repeated references to Earth having become a "dead world," because the humans have no respect for nature. I guess humans eventually ended up putting Al Gore in the same landfill as postcolonialism. (They weren’t recycled, clearly.)

Speaking of nature, much of the hype associated with Avatar also revolves around the incredibly detailed world of Pandora, which has its own distinct flora and fauna. According to Wired, Cameron even hired a scientist to "write detailed scientific descriptions of dozens of plants he had created." Here, too, I came away partly underwhelmed. The flora is certainly beautiful, but the fauna seems to suffer from either an overabundance of imagination or a dearth of it. For example, Pandora has little helicopter creatures that just spin around awkwardly and aimlessly like dogs strapped to ceiling fans—how that trait helps them survive and reproduce, I have no idea. On the other side of the spectrum, the horse-like creatures the Na’vi ride are basically horses with anteater heads. Heck, the Na’vi themselves are basically giant humans with catlike features and tails (a furry‘s wet dream). They have belly buttons, human dentition, and human-like feet, even though they spend much of their time climbing trees. I don’t want to nitpick too much, because the excess of human attributes obviously makes them easier to relate to. But a little more imagination wouldn’t have hurt.

As a whole, the experience just seems unfortunately shallow. All the beauty is on the surface, with very little depth or nuance in the story, characters, or message. Greedy corporations and colonialism are bad. Indigenous people in touch with nature are good. Cameron reproduced none of the shades of gray seen in films like Dances with Wolves, where, for instance, John J. Dunbar has trouble reconciling his fondness for the Lakota with their slaughter of white trappers who killed bison for their skins.

Walking out of the theater, I started talking with my fiancee about the main female Na’vi character. Suddenly, I realized I had already forgotten her name. My fiancee had, too. When was the last time you saw a movie and forgot the name of the second-most-important character five minutes after the credits started rolling? Kids will love Avatar, I’m sure, because the simplicity and black-and-white characters have a very kid-friendly quality to them. And you’ll probably like it, too, if you can look past the formulaic plot and dreadful scriptwriting to immerse yourself in the visuals. Watching Avatar is like going out for burger and fries at a five-star restaurant: great taste, great presentation, still-poor nutritional value.

Update 12/23: I went to see the movie a second time and wrote a follow-up post to elaborate a little bit.

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    • Mr Bill
    • 9 years ago

    Room temperature superconductor?
    [quote]the film glosses over the fact that the mineral under the Na’vi Hometree is worth “20 million a kilo,” but there’s no explanation of why it’s in such high demand or what it does.[/quote]

    • adampk17
    • 10 years ago

    For what it’s worth, to people reading this thread who may be on the fence about seeing Avatar. Go see it. I saw it in 3D IMAX and thought it was absolutely incredible. I loved it. No, the story isn’t original, but paired with the visuals it’s definitely good enough to make this a must see more-than-once in a theater movie for me.

    • Cyril
    • 10 years ago

    I went to see the movie again and wrote a follow-up post here:

    §[< https://techreport.com/discussions.x/18196<]§

    • Usacomp2k3
    • 10 years ago

    I loved it, completely. I will honestly say it was the most visually amazing and immersive movie I have ever seen, bar none. I highly, highly recommend seeing it.

    • Voldenuit
    • 10 years ago

    So I was sitting around with nothin’ to do ’cause I’d decided Avatar wasn’t worth my $7, so I pick up a copy of Ben Affleck’s (yeah, I know) /[

    • Voldenuit
    • 10 years ago

    Nice post, Cyril (though admittedly I skimmed the plot section to avoid spoilers).

    A couple of my friends saw it last night, and reported back, “They spent $300 million on the movie, but only $10 on the script”. Looks like that’s a common appraisal of the movie.

    I don’t there’s ever been an ‘intelligent blockbuster’ (perhaps the term is oxymoronic?), it’s a shame Avatar doesn’t look to upset the status quo.

    Me, I’ll save my $7 for something more intellectual, maybe some X-men comics :p

      • Laykun
      • 10 years ago

      Blade runner, or the matrix, both equally as good blockbusters with enough depth to satisfy most how enjoy that sort of thing.

    • Laykun
    • 10 years ago

    I think a lot of people here are missing the point of the review. The movie medium is a weapon that is hard to wield properly, and obviously in this instance Cameron has not used it to its full extent. Some of you complain about over analysing the movie, well infact it’s quite the opposite, the movie didn’t provide enough to analyse. To simply have to watch images flickered infront of you and to hear sounds is not enough for a movie, as it has the potential to be so much more. Movies can have dimensions beyond the visual 3 dimensions you see infront of you and the 3 dimensions of sound. What I mean by this is that the movie can have multiple dimensions in its story / under lying message / motifs / references / colour usage, which is where this movie fell short as it was a rehashed story with 1 dimensional characters. For some of us this simlply isn’t enough to warrant the classification of “Movie”, it brings it closer to tech demo than rather Movie.

    I am also a believer that this is a major problem with games these days, and I would liken this movie to games like Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, which is 1 dimensional white and black garbage that’s nice to look at. The largest underlying problem however as that people will lap up this garbage like it’s the elixir or life because of the visual experience. This is where his analogy of a hamburger at a 5 sar restaurant make sense, it’s a crude un-cultured garbage food, no matter how well it’s made being served at a 5-star restaurant where you could eating something potentially a lot better and perhaps a little different. Hamburgers have a boring taste palette, much like boring shallow films.

      • pragma
      • 10 years ago

      Visual imagery is a powerful tool in its own right. Next time you hear the naughty words ‘amazon’ and ‘deforestation’, maybe you won’t think ‘who cares’. Maybe you’ll think ‘great, I hated furries anyway’?

    • jbraslins
    • 10 years ago

    Simply awesome. Loved the journey. Did not care if some things did not make sense for the science purists out there. 3D @ IMAX was superb.

    • YeuEmMaiMai
    • 10 years ago

    another typical anti corperation – military movie. whowouldathunkit?

      • Kaleid
      • 10 years ago

      There’s not enough of them..

      • pot
      • 10 years ago

      You’d think a corporation groupie would know how to spell corporation. But I get it, you are another one of those bitter crying right wingers who posts the same thing on any Avatar related story, groupthink at it’s worst.

      Is there something you guys will NOT complain and cry about? If this movie was pro military and pro destroying the enviroment (like many other movies) you’d have no complaints and would be praising it. It is just a movie, not a political manifesto! Start worrying about things that actually matter and stop QQ’ing because the movie hurt your overly sensitive feelings.

      I know for a fact that there is more pro military movies then anti military movies. But the right has never seen a gross exaggeration they didn’t like though so it is to be expected for them to act like EVERY single movie ever made is anti corporation/military.

      • grantmeaname
      • 10 years ago

      instead of writing it off based on its category, you could say what it was you disliked maybe… that’s sort of the necessary jumping-off point for an intelligent discussion.

        • BoBzeBuilder
        • 10 years ago

        Thanks for that. What are your thoughts on communism?

    • davidm71
    • 10 years ago

    This reviewer is taking it all too seriously. By the same account Star Wars sounds cliched if you think about it yet it was one of the best sci-fi movies of our time. The plot was decent enough to be enjoyable. I agree the 3D graphics took away from the quality of the cgi. I found the movie exciting, moving, and enough that I even shed a tear. I can’t wait to see it again until I’m sick of seeing it on the screen and probably long after I get a new 1080p+ flat screen at home to see it again!

      • Namarrgon
      • 10 years ago

      +1, watched Avatar last night. Comparisons to Star Wars are very apt.

      Both had uncomplex, black-and-white, derivative yet enjoyable plots designed to appeal to the mass market. Both had ground-breaking special effects. And I don’t doubt that Avatar will be considered just as much a milestone in cinema as Star Wars was. Not to mention that Cameron’s stated intention was to out-Star Wars Star Wars.

      I’m just hoping that the Avatar sequels don’t end up like Star Wars did.

    • othersidesounds
    • 10 years ago

    WOW. It’s hilarious how this movie just completely passed over your head. Although the plot and story and acting etc are very simple to grasp and not very involved, your ability to step back and just go for the ride and experience it for what it was intended to be is exactly what eluded you. You basically over analyzed it to death. Anyone with a critical point of view can rip apart something till its just a mere logical list of negatives and positives, but to step back and enjoy something as a whole is what makes a great movie critic actually strike a chord into their eager readers that cant wait for their next review. You are far from understanding this trait if you can’t see that this wasn’t just a movie, It was a great experience!. To not treat it as such in order to judge it properly is just proof that your out of touch and way too over critical.

      • wingless
      • 10 years ago

      +1

      I wish I could post a pic of Serious Cat and put ‘Cyril’ as the caption. The movie was downright fun as long as you watch it in IMAX 3D.

      • Meadows
      • 10 years ago

      To an extent, you have a point.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 10 years ago

      Maybe part of the problem is as higher-end computer users we are used to and thus somewhat jaded by purty graphics that the average shmoe has not seen ‘live,’ their console doesn’t quite count versus a good PC. So the graphics might be great for a movie but aren’t going to blow us away. On top of that there is the ‘style without substance’ problem in computer gaming, or ‘style with bad plot/game mechanics/etc,’ and so we are more prone to picking out this type of problem having experienced it firsthand.

      Or maybe some people can’t turn off their brains and just be dumbtertained.

        • wingless
        • 10 years ago

        Seems you have not seen the movie yet.

          • MadManOriginal
          • 10 years ago

          You’re right, and chances are very high I won’t see it in theaters. Probably the first time I’ll see it is if someone else I know rents it or in years once it’s on TV. I’ve been sorely disppointed by the few big blockbuster-type movies that I have seen over the last decade, probably the last time I enjoyed entirely shallow movies was my early 20s but I was never huge in to movies anyway. Dumbed down visual action orgies just don’t work for me regardless of any hype or commercial success even though those things don’t necessarily deter me either, if other people like it then great.

            • wingless
            • 10 years ago

            Your cynism will cause you to miss out on a truly great movie. You should form your own opinion and not let Cyril tell you it isn’t good. This blog simply misleads the weak minded.

            • MadManOriginal
            • 10 years ago

            Yes it’s based purely upon this blog :rolleyes: I’ll be fine seeing it whenever if ever at all. Thanks for your concern though! I’m glad you found it enjoyable.

      • esterhasz
      • 10 years ago

      Well, that’s what you get for going to them fancy places, like France (!), where they brainwash you into smoking, pretentiousness and public transport. If he’d just stayed in Kansas…

    • kravo
    • 10 years ago

    Hm…did anyone notice that even the middle-aged na’vi women had rock hard tities? I’d like to live on a planet/moon with low gravity.
    🙂
    But seriously, it was a good movie. I didn’t expected J.C to save the world, and it was a fun night. Worth of that …7 Euros.
    Besides, I belive the era of movies without ANY live actors has begun. (not to mention the Schwarzenegger’s cameo in T4)

    • statrekgeneral
    • 10 years ago

    I feel that watching the movie in french probably took away a lot from the movie. As a previous commenter said, i disagree with the majority of the people here, but I really enjoyed the movie with I saw it. The CGI is probably the best I’ve seen in regards to depicting organic beings (transformers 2 might be the only competition it has). The story while having a few loopholes like *spoiler* why oh why did the main character not do the mind transfer before the battle…, made sense and had a good lesson in it.

    If you want complex morals, you can watch the last ridley scott leonardo dicaprio movie… Body of Lies, or Kingdom of heaven, and just look how they did at the box office (they bombed). Lesson: movies with complex morals cater to a very specific audience, and therefore do not make as much money. Thats what ive observed anyway

    I know 1 friend who cheered for the humans the entire time, and subsequently didnt like the movie, but the rest of my group of 4 college friends really liked it.
    I kinda wish i saw it in imax initially now, from just the2D version it definitely looks like its worth seeing in 3D.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 10 years ago

      Using Transformers 2 as a positive comparison makes it hard to choke down the rest of your post. 😉

      Also the two films you say ‘bombed’ were actually profitable on a budget vs gross basis which I believe is how most films are judged.

    • wingless
    • 10 years ago

    CYRIL IS SIMPLY WRONG! Go see this movie in 3D and you will experience something incredible. I saw it in IMAX 3D and it immerses you like you cannot imagine without experiencing it. Maybe the French dubbing destroyed the movie, but if you live in an English speaking country, see it the way it was meant to be seen.

    Whatever you do, DO NOT watch Avatar in 2D. It would be like watching the new Star Trek on VHS on a black and white TV. You just don’t get the visual information the creators intended.

    • imtheunknown176
    • 10 years ago

    Those four notes played on a trumpet(?)! I spent almost the entire movie trying to place that little audio clip that played during most of the songs. When I got home I remembered it was from Enemy at the Gates. Or at least it sounded like it. Did anyone else notice it?
    [Edit: Apparently it’s the same composer.]

    I thought the movie was pretty weak. Awful, predictable story. I felt nothing for the Navi and found myself rooting for the humans. Frankly I just wanted to see the them blow more stuff up. That airship was awesome. Looked like a boss out of Raiden.

    I’m terrible, aren’t I?

      • cynan
      • 10 years ago

      Movie studios often recycle phrases or entire musical pieces from film to the next. I haven’t seen Avatar, but I’ve personally noticed this multiple times – though I’m hard pressed to recall a specific example

        • imtheunknown176
        • 10 years ago

        Pirates of the Caribbean and Gladiator come to mind first. I know film score composers often reuse themes and whatnot, it’s just that those four notes are very distinct. I thought it sounded a little out of place in Avatar but that might be because it bothered me so much that I couldn’t place it.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 10 years ago

    I’m still trying to figure out how the protagonist is able to keep controlling his avatar after they find out he’s gone native. Plot holes like that drive me nuts. Some answer please!

    Also a major redeeming quality of this movie seems to be sideboob. Lots and lots of furry sideboob. :/

      • Meadows
      • 10 years ago

      Furry sideboob?

        • BoBzeBuilder
        • 10 years ago

        Well then, looks like I’ll be seeing the movie after all.

          • MadManOriginal
          • 10 years ago

          Not a trailer I don’t think but some preview clips where the native girl is teaching the guy in his avatar body how to shoot a bow & arrow.

        • adisor19
        • 10 years ago

        4chan has a new love.

        Adi

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 10 years ago

    Not a bad movie, not great in allot of the conventional ways that people might be hoping for but worth seeing non the less. The visuals are great, the movie feels alive and vibrant, well at least Pandora does. I just wish the conflict of this world wasn’t so 2D. The story is very character driven not plot driven. I liked our main character very much but still felt like the movie was just missing or not developing elements enough to make the world outside the pandoran jungles feel quite as alive as inside. The villianous characters are probably the main short fall of the movie seeing as they feel like cardboard cutouts. They never developed into more than seemingly hateful A holes who just enjoy carnage. Ok so we know they like killing, tell us why they like killing. Why is our hero different from the rest of these grunts? I mainly complain because I felt so captivated for portions of the film only to be dropped on my face when certain aspects appear. These villains aren’t from mordor they need a reason.

    • satchmobob
    • 10 years ago

    I can’t help thinking: If they’re trying to convey an environmental message why the hell didn’t they use that $300’000’000 to do something good for the world!

    THREE HUNDRED MILLION! That’s just sickening imo.

      • Mightyflapjack
      • 10 years ago

      You don’t get Environmentalists if you think it has anything to do with their behavior…

      It is not about them doing the ‘right thing,’ they already feel they are doing the ‘right thing.’

      Environmentalists want to make YOU do the ‘right thing.’

      Like most things, it has nothing to do with the message and is all about power.

      I saw the movie and yeah I hated the Enviro-nazi crap, but it was still a good time and worth my $11.50.

    • Dingmatt
    • 10 years ago

    I’m sorry but I have to disagree with 90% of the people here.

    Saw the movie last night and it was truely incredible, both the world and the characters were well designed and believable. I also strongly disagree with Cyril over the 3D pitch as I found that it once your eyes adjust (which takes a few mins) it added a real depth to the screen, an example is in the cockpits of the helicopters with the various layer of glass and flight controls… you just don’t get the full experiance on a conventional screen.

    The soundtrack was chosen well and the visuals are out of this world.

    My advise is to go and see it even if your sure you won’t like it, else when you do finally see it on TV you’ll hit yourself for missing the full experience.

    Any movie can be over analysed so it sounds crap but its the story that matters and Avatar truely draws you in.

      • mattthemuppet
      • 10 years ago

      100% agree – absolutely awesome film. Obviously you can deconstruct the logic of any fiction film (especially, but not exclusively, Sci-Fi) and this one is no exception, but that’s not the point. Do you read a book only to criticise plot flaws or to enjoy the story? Same deal. I’d happily go back to watch it again, I didn’t want to leave the cinema 🙂

    • moritzgedig
    • 10 years ago

    Oh come on, yes one could have made it less obvious, but people love stereotypes. Most people are not as smart as you are and need the message as clear as that or they will feel confused. Also this movie is for children and not for 40 yearolds.
    Do you know any movie that is realistic? I tend to agree that movies are too unrealistic and I don’t go to the cinema without getting drunk befor, but bashing this perticular movie for it?
    It is not like Star Wars made any sense.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 10 years ago

      If it’s a movie for children why should adults go see it? Does it have any kind of ‘adult’ subtlety or jokes alongside the for-children stuff?

        • moritzgedig
        • 10 years ago

        Are you asking me? I don’t know the movie.
        I like the Pixa movies because they are for adults too (“‘adult’ subtlety or jokes alongside the for-children stuff”).
        Good and true Sci-Fi movies are very rare (Bladerunner, District 9, The Matrix, The Thirteenth Floor)
        “why should adults go see it?”; because they are interested in the visuals.

    • Vaughn
    • 10 years ago

    I’m going to see it this weekend even with all the negativity in this thread.

    Some of you would be probably better off reading a book than going to the movies.

      • SPOOFE
      • 10 years ago

      Go see it. Let us know what you think. Even if every other person on the planet hates it, you might like it.

    • shaq_mobile
    • 10 years ago

    the previews made it pretty obvious that this movie is going to be a tree hugger festival. come on… a resource thats worth insane amounts of money, buried under a GIANT TREE that INDIGENOUS ALIENS live in? the aliens also happen to be raging hippies themselves that look like cats?

    what a massive pile of fail. no thanks. why do they have to insert 5th grade morals and lessons into 300 million dollar movies? i suppose people wouldnt pay attention if they were complex morals. like cyril pointed out, black and white morality really lets people connect with it. i guess we cant expect much more from the man who brought us the abyss, alien and terminator. all of those are great movies/series, but they all have the exact same message, its the same message you find in most actions of our everyday lives. we do destructive things to ourselves and each other. we will destroy ourselves if we arent careful. deep. so deep.

      • PRIME1
      • 10 years ago

      I know it would be like a resource that’s worth insane amounts of money, buried under the desert and wars were constantly happening there because of it…..

        • shaq_mobile
        • 10 years ago

        ugh, arent these messages getting old to you too? sometimes i wish we could just fully embrace nietzschean ideals. america, heck yeah!

      • My Johnson
      • 10 years ago

      Ridley Scott did Alien. James Cameron did Aliens.

        • shaq_mobile
        • 10 years ago

        oh, oops! thats a pretty big whiff, especially since i have both of those movies and watched them two weeks ago.

    • NeronetFi
    • 10 years ago

    Did anyone see “Battle for Terra” ? It’s an animation movie with the same aspect. Humans coming to an alien planet to take it over. Was actually pretty good.

    • Corrado
    • 10 years ago

    /[

      • bwcbiz
      • 10 years ago

      Or Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri…

        • indeego
        • 10 years ago

        Or Mary Shelley’s Frankensteing{<.<}g

          • shaq_mobile
          • 10 years ago

          or labyrinth, starring david bowie

    • designerfx
    • 10 years ago

    uh, fyi. In parts of the US there are theatres where it’s just a really nice LCD TV (say 50 or 60″) and a small room with couches and they even serve alcohol. From what I hear the price is higher and it’s 21+ obviously. Those are said to be a better experience. In fact, that’s the kind of place I’d love to open.

    • voxfiux
    • 10 years ago

    What a bunch of hypocrites in this site. The greatest movie geek in history makes a movie and you all put it down like if it was any other movie. Be thankful that JC is making movies for christ sake!

      • liquidsquid
      • 10 years ago

      I agree, many posters here go on and on like they could do a better job than JC if given the chance. Somehow, I doubt that. However us Geeks do have very high standards, and why we are almost always let down.

        • Vrock
        • 10 years ago

        What a wagon of horsedung you’re peddling there. I think lots of music sucks, and I can barely play a kazoo. That doesn’t mean my criticism of the music is any less valid.

        • SPOOFE
        • 10 years ago

        /[

      • derFunkenstein
      • 10 years ago

      This just in – some people have different tastes.

      • ludi
      • 10 years ago

      I don’t think you know what the word ‘hypocrite’ means. It’s not a general-purpose put-down and it does not preclude legitimate criticism of a work just because the author has previously put out better work.

        • shaq_mobile
        • 10 years ago

        whatever, ludi, stop being a hypocrite, nobody likes people who think before they post.

        • voxfiux
        • 10 years ago

        Listen chunky, what i mean is that 99.9% of the people who visit this site are passionate about technology and computers. And here we have Avatar, probably the most technologically advanced movie in the history of film, and the reviewers of this site and podcast do nothing but slam the storytelling and blue people and whatnot- PLEASE! again, we should be thankful James Cameron decided to make this movie for all of us to enjoy. This film is a gift from he MOVIE GODS, appreciate it.

          • ludi
          • 10 years ago

          So the tech is cool. So what? The ga-ga factor of powerful visuals only takes things so far, then the plot has to carry the experience or you’re just watching a $300 million, two-hour tech demo.

          I’m not saying “don’t enjoy it”; if this lights your fuse, by all means go and enjoy it. Just try not to completely freak out if other people, many of whom are perhaps a bit older than you and have seen /[

            • shaq_mobile
            • 10 years ago

            looool he called you chunky, im sorry but i couldnt help but snicker when he said that.

            • shaq_mobile
            • 10 years ago

            ludi on point. new tech is cool and fancy, but pooping yourself over i7 or phenom 2 or steve jobs mind laser with functional touch wheel is silly, if not just smelly. tron had pretty cool cg at one point in time… just seems like spending 300 million on a movie thats goign to look impressive for a year or two and revolves around a plot of greed and heinous use of resources is a little retarded.

      • Corrado
      • 10 years ago

      Not hypocrites, just that the internet is full of haters. They hate anything because they believe they’re ‘above’ it and that anything ‘mainstream’ must be rubbish. ‘Oh, it was marketed? It must be crap!’

      People also refuse to watch things for the pure sake of being entertained. They always have to find plot inconsistencies, mistakes, things to bitch about, etc. If you just sat back and let yourself be entertained for what it is, and let your imagination work a little bit rather than needing everything to be 110% realistic looking, you might find that you enjoy yourself a lot more.

        • shaq_mobile
        • 10 years ago

        seems odd to say that other people arent allowed to see movies for reasons other than your own. people enjoy different things. some movies i will nitpick and others i will toss aside blatant disregard for even the most basic physics.

        you probably enjoy nitpicking about people nitpicking, otherwise you wouldnt have gone to the trouble of posting somethign on the internet about it. so in retrospect, its pointless for me to clarify what youre doing, because its more about what you enjoy than whats constructive.

          • Corrado
          • 10 years ago

          No, you can go see a movie for whatever reason. But it just seems to be the cool thing to do these days to pay money to not like something that you had already decided you weren’t gonna like. Why waste your time? If its so terrible an unentertaining, don’t you think you’d be better served spending your time watching/doing something you DO enjoy? Or do you enjoy not enjoying yourself?

      • brucect
      • 10 years ago

      Go suck JC right away !!
      But don t ask Us to do it ? Because you re good at it.

        • voxfiux
        • 10 years ago

        …..you suck….

          • Meadows
          • 10 years ago

          You both do.

    • flip-mode
    • 10 years ago

    Sweet. Thanks Cyril. I won’t even bother to rent this piece of spit. Please don’t ever insult hamburgers again.

    • spigzone
    • 10 years ago

    Keith Laumer and Piers Anthony are the first two SF writers that popped into my mind when reading about the plot elements of the movie.

    It’s obviously just that, a hogde-podge of elements from beloved SF/Fantasy stories Cameron read in his youth.

      • bwcbiz
      • 10 years ago

      So in other words, it’s just like Star Wars.

        • spigzone
        • 10 years ago

        Not at all. Star Wars did something that at the time I considered quite astounding (and wonderfully refreshing) and that thing was the initial words in the opening sequence …

        ‘A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away …’

    • Ruiner
    • 10 years ago

    So you’re saying the guys at South Park nailed it?

    • Thresher
    • 10 years ago

    It just doesn’t look very interesting to me. The CGI, at least in the trailers, looks, well, unrealistic to me. Cartoonish even.

    The story, well, it’s a Cameron movie. I know I’m heading for trouble here, but with the lone exception of True Lies, I’m just not a big fan. I don’t really understand it either. The Abyss, Aliens, Terminator 1 & 2, these are all movies I really should like. I should like a lot. The plots are very interesting to me. But there is just something ineffable about them that turns me off. I don’t know if it’s the acting, the dialogue, the direction, or what, but I find these movies much less enjoyable that I should. There is a hamhandedness about them, not in the Michael Bay sense, but in the sense that sometimes, not all details should be spelled out for the audience, sometimes it’s best if the audience makes the connection themselves. Cameron never does that, his movies are very methodical, predictable even. He doesn’t allow the audience to think, he shows everything and leaves nothing for imagination. So the movies come out much duller than they should.

    Don’t even get me started on Titanic. The only way that movie could have been interesting to me is if Leonardo DiCaprio had fallen off the gangplank before they left port and the rest of the movie consisted of just watching the boat sink. It was just god awful. I realize I am in the minority here, but I couldn’t stand that movie.

      • mcnabney
      • 10 years ago

      Your assessment of The Abyss, Aliens, and Terminators may be unique. You actually might be the only person who has frequented this website to feel that way about all four of those movies.

        • Mourmain
        • 10 years ago

        …and we’re ok with that!

        I think I felt the same way about the movies he mentioned when re-watching them, many years after their first impressions. Then again, practically all hollywood movies seem that way these days, especially blockbusters.

    • wingless
    • 10 years ago

    I bet it’s better in English…

    • dpaus
    • 10 years ago

    Paper-thin characters? Shallow plot? But great visuals??

    /[

      • Thresher
      • 10 years ago

      Pfft. I spit on 6 terabytes. Any true geek has a SAN these days.

        • mcnabney
        • 10 years ago

        18TB, no pr0n though. It really isn’t hard to find you know.

          • shaq_mobile
          • 10 years ago

          lol you ahve 18tb?? thts so cool 😀

          i have 6tb but only 4.5 tha are used.

      • NeronetFi
      • 10 years ago

      I like the acting in my pr0n 🙂

    • ssidbroadcast
    • 10 years ago

    Yes, I tried to tell you guys: *[

      • wingless
      • 10 years ago

      D9 was the most underrated movie in recent history. I think it is the movie of the year as well. Also the CG was completely believable.

        • Thresher
        • 10 years ago

        It will become a cult hit and I bet it sells a bazillion DVDs and Blu-Rays over the years.

      • Fighterpilot
      • 10 years ago

      You gotta be joking…District 9 is a woeful mess….a bad B movie at best.
      ps…If you are under 25 you don’t know shit anyway.
      (wait till you are 40 …then revisit that advice)
      Go back to watching anime on “Ducky” or Lucky or whatever you…cough…”named” your computer.

        • Meadows
        • 10 years ago

        Pfft, all you people naming your PCs /[

        • derFunkenstein
        • 10 years ago

        bad B movies are worth watching in their own right.

          • shaq_mobile
          • 10 years ago

          heck yeah! i dont goto the movies to learn ‘philosophy’ or to feel good. i go to see something i cant do in real life. i love seeing steven seagal beat up some fools. bruce campbell is always a welcome sight on my TV. i love J-horror too. man those japanese people make creepy films.

            • tocatl
            • 10 years ago

            Japanese Horror Movies?, i tought it was a new kind of comedy, Good horror, watch “REC” but the spanish version not the american clone.

            • shaq_mobile
            • 10 years ago

            ill check it out! i like foreign horror, it approaches with a different angle and emphasis than american horror. american horror typically involves exposing lots of breasts (usually females) and really bad endings. i really like el orfanato, i watched it without dubs (dont even know if there is a dubbed version). pretty creepy and has a cool ending, though its sad :/

            • tocatl
            • 10 years ago

            There was a recent mexican horror movie, i didnt watched it, but they say it was fine, “Kilometro 31”, also “REC” already has a sequel, im pretty sure DVD has english subtitles for those movies.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 10 years ago

            Steven Segal likes to see his movies because it depicts him doing something he can’t do in real life. Like beating up people. LOL

            • PetMiceRnice
            • 10 years ago

            Steven Seagal rules. There is a new show about him on A&E TV called Steven Seagal Lawman. I’ve watched a couple of episodes and I like it.

        • ssidbroadcast
        • 10 years ago

        Wow, that was uncalled for.

        • nonegatives
        • 10 years ago

        Well, I am 40 and the only way I would watch Avatar is a bitTorment download. The way FOX is pushing this film makes me want to invest in Soulless to wipe out the blue meanies. At least District 9 doesn’t require me to accept a whole new made up world and technology, just aliens getting stuck here. I’ll go back to the theater when Hollywood stops forcing these obvious “message movies” down our optic nerves.
        I enjoyed the way the review reduced the movie to an episode of the Smurfs, nicely done!

        • Convert
        • 10 years ago

        Odd, we agree on something.

        Well except for the part that you act like a child and attack the OP for no apparent reason. Off the meds again?

      • cynan
      • 10 years ago

      District 9 was definitely the sleeper hit of 2009. I went to see it on a whim, and was pleasantly surprised. The only dissapointment was that D-9 could have been a much more raw, in-your-face version of what it was. But I guess a new director could only push the envelop so far. That said, I will genuinely anticipate his next film.

      • VILLAIN_xx
      • 10 years ago

      I dunno man.. The main character really couldn’t bring an emotion out of me. It became a joke what kind of situations he was going through and the Prawns were much more likable.

      ANYONE but the Wikus character would have made the movie better.

        • adisor19
        • 10 years ago

        But that’s just it. The main character was the reason this movie did so well. He was caught in all of that and you could see how worthless he was throughout the whole ordeal.. my favourite part was when he actually started fighting back 🙂

        Adi

          • VILLAIN_xx
          • 10 years ago

          What? I think its more it had an original story line that was gonna rock. The only weak link was wikus in that entire film. You would a create a movie with a character you just hate and not feel bad for? Its not even Hate to Love or Love to hate him. You can easily just HATE him. It was just poor acting that was annoying and a director who couldnt make him bond very well for me to feel bad for him. I only stayed for the freakin Prawns to resolve their problems.
          Ps. Im going have to take Cryils advice for this movie too. Hype, Flashy CG, and over the top action doesnt make up for its “poor nutritional value” when the story was was “just ok”. Ill wait for DVD release if a friend rents it.

            • FubbHead
            • 10 years ago

            You gotta be kidding me.. I think he played that role superbly. So all I can say is, if you call that bad acting, I really want to know what you consider good acting.

            • VILLAIN_xx
            • 10 years ago

            In that movie The Prawns. Even Kevin Costner, Chuck norris and Steven Seagal.

            😛

            Response to 136

            Im not convinced Wikus was an anti-hero. Maybe he had 1-2 moments of apparent selfishness when all his efforts to himself didnt work out, but he generally cared and was convinced he was in a good state of mind of helping out the aliens to a safer place than a slummy crime area. He was an idiot with annoying mannerisms and then I was detached from ALL his problems. Nor did i root for any failures because the director painted too many scenarios for us to try to connect with his humantarism and his love for his wife.

            Dont get me wrong entirely. Still an original good story idea, but it was like putting Jar Jar binks in the head lead of star wars then in a battle walker.

            • Grape Flavor
            • 10 years ago

            I saw District 9 last night. So apparently I’m not the only one who thought Wikus was a douche. I mean, I was still rooting for him, but the man was deeply annoying.

            Also, I want one of those guns with the explode-o-ray. >:)

      • adisor19
      • 10 years ago

      100% agreed. In fact, it’s the only movie that i remember truly enjoying in the theatres in the past years.

      Adi

      • ssway
      • 10 years ago

      Fully agreed. D9 was the movie of the year for me big time.

      • burntham77
      • 10 years ago

      D9 was one of the most interesting movies I saw this year. I loved it and am looking forward to buying it.

      • Kaleid
      • 10 years ago

      Yes, it was surprisingly good.

        • StuG
        • 10 years ago

        The main character was the perfect Anti-Hero. The point isn’t to make a true connection to him, because if you did you would just feel like shit about yourself at the end. He is self centered, and gives no concern to the prawns until the very end. The majority of the movie he cares only about healing himself…he gets so desperate that he almost ruins the aliens only way out.

        That is the essence of an Anti-Hero…but if you want to connect to a man like that I feel bad for you. If anything you were suppose to dislike him and connect with the smart prawn and his son. Very well done movie in every regard.

          • Kaleid
          • 10 years ago

          I think you replied to the wrong person. I don’t necessarily feel that I must like any of the persons in the film…

          • VILLAIN_xx
          • 10 years ago

          Yes he did. 🙂 # 152

      • PetMiceRnice
      • 10 years ago

      I didn’t care for District 9 too much, but I have to admit that I was far more willing to see it than see Avatar. All of the advertising and hype surrounding Avatar has turned me off and I’m going to skip it.

      • Code:[M]ayhem
      • 10 years ago

      District 9 movie of the year???? STFU and go back to playing with your Pokemon cards, kid.

        • ssidbroadcast
        • 10 years ago

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        • ssidbroadcast
        • 10 years ago

        is cold under bridge?

      • Usacomp2k3
      • 10 years ago

      We watched District 9 last night, and my only thought is, what are you smoking? It was mildly entertaining, but I wouldn’t ever watch it again. There was no redeeming value, the dialog was really hard to understand, the acting was meh. The gratuitous gore just wasn’t necessary, and I could have done without so much language.
      Avatar, on the other hand, was immersive.
      When I go to a movie, I want to see something that will let my imagination go wild. I want to see something creative and something that works on the creative part of my brain. I don’t need a deep insightful movie (usually). If I want a really good story, I’ll go upstairs into my library and pull out a book. The movie screen is a different medium in which a director/writer can bring something to stimulate your senses in a way that a movie never could, and that is what Avatar does so well.
      (Either that or I want to see a plotless action movie that is just fun to watch (like Transformers). District 9 really wasn’t fun to watch. There were no points that got me excited at all.)

        • Voldenuit
        • 10 years ago

        Eh, I thought District 9 was pretty good myself. It was confronting, insightful, and thought-provoking (and really darkly, darkly comic, for the black humoured among us). Wickus especially was completely atypical to the hollywood action hero stereotype, in my eyes, a much more believable character for all his flaws.

        It’s not my favourite movie of the year (it didn’t quite make my Top 5), but it was still a pretty good film, and I can totally understand the cult following. It’s a bit like how Coen Bros. films intentionally lack (or omit) the gloss and glam veneer of Hollywood. I don’t like having my entertainment diet pre-chewed and homogenised, personally. Probably why I like Ramis’ films. I’m hoping fervently now that Guy Ritchie hasn’t brought the glam treatment to Sherlock Holmes – his films since Snatch haven’t been too remarkable.

    • Umbragen
    • 10 years ago

    Meh, I’ll holding out for the real Avatar movie.

      • SPOOFE
      • 10 years ago

      Ultima? Preferably based heavily on VI?

        • lycium
        • 10 years ago

        i thought VII was best

          • SPOOFE
          • 10 years ago

          Yeah, but VII had a plot too dependent on its predecessor, whereas I feel VI could more easily be transferred to a standalone story.

        • Umbragen
        • 10 years ago

        Noooo. Aang, Appa, Katara and Sokka battling the evil Fire Nation! We’ll see M. Night Shyamalan can pull off another one.

          • cynan
          • 10 years ago

          Ahhhh! You were actually serious! Maybe the young audience at which this must be directed will fail to realize how much of a hack M. Night has become, not having seen his earlier stuff as references (well, mostly just Sixth Sence and possibly Unbreakable – which I guiltily enjoyed – and Signs – which apparently many people liked).

          Maybe if he didn’t have to write /[

    • PRIME1
    • 10 years ago

    Some people keep saying “Dances with Wolves in Space”.

    Yet when I watch the previews I keep getting “Starship Troopers with $300,000,000 and Cats instead of Bugs”.

      • MadManOriginal
      • 10 years ago

      That made me lol. Die furries die!

        • Krogoth
        • 10 years ago

        YIFF IN HELL!

      • shank15217
      • 10 years ago

      You really didn’t get starship troopers did you?

        • danny e.
        • 10 years ago

        I was thinking the same thing. If anything, Avatar is the anti-Starship Troopers.

          • MadManOriginal
          • 10 years ago

          I think you guys are missing out on what’s funny here, or at least why I thought it was funny although I may be totally misinterpreting it.

          PRIME1 is taking the side and viewpoint of the ‘evil human’ commander – ‘let’s kill those pesky aliens.’ I’m pretty sure he meant it as a joke although you never know…

          • shaq_mobile
          • 10 years ago

          well, in starship troopers, the humans may be the agressors. i never read the book, but in the movie one of the characters mentions that humans may have invaded alien space first. the humans objective in the movie is to exterminate the bugs, so its even more ‘evil’ than killing for profit, at least profit benefits the people. inciting war and then settling only for extinction of the defenders is far more heinous. then i guess you could discuss the benefits of war on the economy, but i dont know if those are positive.

        • PRIME1
        • 10 years ago

        Oh I get the difference that we are the bad guys and not the aliens this time.

        But the ads on TV convey none of this. They just show splosions and epic alien battles, troops ready for war, etc.

        • Freon
        • 10 years ago

        Eh, the movie didn’t deliver the message that the book did. I don’t think there was that much to “get.”

      • cynan
      • 10 years ago

      From the previews, all that came to mind was Halo with blue hairless cat-people

    • MadManOriginal
    • 10 years ago

    So I’ve read a few brief reviews with plot summaries and they have me thinking that there is a major plot hole. If the ‘main character’ Marine controls his avatar remotely, how is it that he gets as far as not going along with the human mission, let alone actually fighting against them? Is the control pod or whatever he uses locked away and unable to be tampered with by the other humans? Don’t the other humans know that his avatar is him?

    I can only think the descriptions weren’t sufficient or missing something. Well, or that there’s just a huge gaping plot hole.

      • Jigar
      • 10 years ago

      Yeah, thats a good job…

        • Welch
        • 10 years ago

        On the other hand, having to keep your mind sharp in an analytical manner while watching movies can take a lot of the fun out of it…. Try reviewing a movie like it is a class assignment… not the same experience.

          • internetsandman
          • 10 years ago

          I had to do that the other day. My class was only asked to analyze a short film, Merry Madagascar, so it probably wasn’t as bad as analyzing a full movie, but I still found it wasn’t as enjoyable knowing that I had to write an analysis about the movie right after. You’re definitely right, it’s not the same, not nearly as good.

            • vipw
            • 10 years ago

            To review a film and still enjoy you should just watch it more than once.
            Try this: Watch it once to see it.
            Watch it a second time analytically.
            Watch it a third time without sound, to really see how it’s put together. Watching it without sound makes it very clinical, because it’s much harder to get caught up in the movie.

    • Krogoth
    • 10 years ago

    Great, another cheesy overbudgeted flick.

    • PRIME1
    • 10 years ago

    I have trouble making it to the theater anyways. I assume this will at least be worth getting on Blu-ray.

      • shaq_mobile
      • 10 years ago

      theaters are a tough place to watch a movie in. sheeple ruin it with their innapropriate clapping and cheering. i hate it when a strong female character makes a stand, not becuase i may be sexist, but because all the women stand up and clap as if its some crappy lifetime movie (AVP was completely ruined by that stupid climber/guide chick). somehow, stoners always manage to find me and sit next to me or behind me, so everytime something happens theres a host of irreverent snickering or “dude, *enter string of curse words*”. or people who have no idea what theyre talking about get all excited when spock makes out with uhura.

        • adam1378
        • 10 years ago

        I completely agree. I stopped going to our major theater after a large group of people yelling and mocking the movie Silent Hill and someone even answered their cellphone. We didn’t go to a theater again until a new one was built outside the city bus route. Which is where I will be watching Avatar in imax 3-d sans ghetto trash.

        • stdRaichu
        • 10 years ago

        Most inappropriate comment I ever heard was when my friends parents took us to see Schindler’s List (think we were 13 or 14 at the time)… and ecstatically exclaimed “Man! Did you see her tits?!” – I wanted the earth to swallow me up. And yet there seems to be a shade of that afternoon in almost every visit to the cinema that’s happened since.

        Some cinemas are better than others in terms of clientèle but tend to know it and charge more… but worth it when they will actually throw people out for being fuckwits. Thank god for indy cinemas.

        Totally not surprised about Avatar. Since his halcyon days of Aliens and the Terminator films, Cameron’s been on a slippery slope with ever more irrelevant plot and increasingly 2D characters, Titanic being the final nail in his coffin. Why do you need an annoying and implausible love story to detract from the unimaginable tragedy that’s happening to, well, everyone? Titanic left me cold but the 50-year old A Night to Remember is guaranteed to have everyone in the room in tears without any of those ugly cinematic emotional contrivances. TBH I was quite surprised they said Avatar was “lacking nuance” rather than being an event horizon of anti-nuance. If he wants to be taken seriously as a director again he needs to stop dumbing down his stories and characters to a kindergarten level.

        P.S. four people at work now who’ve seen avatar. Three of them also can’t remember female protagonists name, but say it’s very pretty 🙂

          • shaq_mobile
          • 10 years ago

          l[

    • indeego
    • 10 years ago

    /[

      • Cyril
      • 10 years ago

      My point is that, no matter how appetizing or delicious you make a burger and fries, it still has relatively poor nutritional value.

        • yogibbear
        • 10 years ago

        Serious? What’s not nutritional about a properly made burger? (Clearly no fries or coke or any of that rubbbis..)

        Premium mince, egg, flour, some spices etc. etc. all hand rolled into the paties then cooked in no oil/grease/fat/butter in a pan with lettuce, aioli, sundried tomatoes, capsicum, cheese, and some sourdough bread.

        Worst thing there is probably the bread.

          • cynan
          • 10 years ago

          I would say it’s the garlic mayo..

            • derFunkenstein
            • 10 years ago

            oh, hey, that sounds good. /hungry

          • ludi
          • 10 years ago

          I’ll bet nobody likes watching a movie with you, either. You an engineering major, by any chance? 😛

          • imtheunknown176
          • 10 years ago

          Meat + Binder = Fail

          • shaq_mobile
          • 10 years ago

          you put flour in your burgers? never heard that before, interesting. my burgers consist of ground beef and pork, finely chopped onions and mushrooms, ‘burger seasoning’ from kroger, fork crushed garlic for larger chunks and worcestershire sauce/bbq sauce (one or the other, dont want my burgers to fall apart!) they are incredibly filling, i make the patties so that they usually weigh in near 3/4 pound. these are usually for bbqs with lots of drinking, so condiments are few and far between (aside from the bbq sauce [bbq sauce, butter, sour cream] and the usual ketchup, mustard, lettuce and tomatoes). i try to avoid excess condiments and, well any excess food in general. drunk people are messy.

      • cynan
      • 10 years ago

      A fair analogy.

      It followed the perspective that nutrition is the most substantive and redeeming benefit of eating. Sure, some food tastes and looks more enticing, but at the end of the day, if it leaves you feeling sickly and unsatisfied, it may not be worth eating, at least not in large quantities.

      Avatar, though having yummy, appetising visuals, came accross to the reviewer as being somewhat simplistic and formulaic; a plot bereft of substance and main characters whos development (or lack thereof) provided little payoff for bothering to attempt to take interest in them in the first place.

    • brucect
    • 10 years ago

    Another Titanic !!!

      • Palek
      • 10 years ago

      Are you referring to the movie or the ship?

        • brucect
        • 10 years ago

        I guess Both

    • Vrock
    • 10 years ago

    So basically, had this movie not been CG, it would’ve had nothing to offer. All flash and no substance.

    I thought so.

      • Skrying
      • 10 years ago

      Exactly what I thought it would be.

        • cynan
        • 10 years ago

        I can see how people would be prone to cynacism. With movies like Alien, T2 and Titanic, people hyped up Jimmy C so much that it was like there was no way this movie could be anything else but spectacular on all levels.

        But, like most movies and other similar media (ie, games), when the focus is on visuals first and plot/story/character development second, failure in these latter aspects is not that suprising.

        • Grape Flavor
        • 10 years ago

        Yeah, this is what I thought it would be the first time I saw the trailer:

        Splendid visual feast.

        Simplistic, predictable politically-correct parable for the story.

        Certainly worth a rental, though.

          • Grape Flavor
          • 10 years ago

          Saw it in 3D. The story is very simplistic, yes, but regardless it’s easily one of the most memorable and compelling film experiences I’ve had.

          Very glad I saw it in the theater. My plasma is nice but this wouldn’t have been nearly the same on DVD.

          Not “perfect” (what is?), but overall a must-see.

      • Nitrodist
      • 10 years ago

      Do you like anything? Ever?

        • Meadows
        • 10 years ago

        He’s Krogoth on steroids.

        • Vrock
        • 10 years ago

        I like your mom. 🙂

          • derFunkenstein
          • 10 years ago

          stop touching that, you don’t know where it’s been.

            • Meadows
            • 10 years ago

            Lol.

    • drsauced
    • 10 years ago

    Even though it may lack nuance, it isn’t a French movie after all, I am pretty excited to see it.

    • SomeOtherGeek
    • 10 years ago

    A $300 million film to come out like that… Sad. I never thought Cameron would ever go so low as to release something like this. Oh well.

    I will probably watch in DVD for no other reason except it would be captioned.

    Anyway, thanks for sharing.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 10 years ago

    some of the imagery you created was better than anything I saw in the trailer. Like the dogs strapped to the ceiling fans. Now I can skip this. Thanks!

    Did you take your dad to see it? What did Walt think?
    /Gran Torino
    //Yes I know his name is spelled differently
    ///Thanks for making me ruin my joke, you jerk.

      • shaq_mobile
      • 10 years ago

      yeah i snickered thoroughly imagining that 😀

    • BoBzeBuilder
    • 10 years ago

    Should I see it in 3D, IMAX 3D or the plain old way?

      • Skrying
      • 10 years ago

      IMAX 3D. Did you read the review? There’s no other reason to see it than the visuals. So go all out.

        • indeego
        • 10 years ago

        Wow. $16 at my IMAX, and the first show is at 3:25 a.m. on Thursday. And not all IMAX have 3-d capability, so make sure to checkg{<.<}g

        • mcnabney
        • 10 years ago

        Apparently you didn’t read it either. He thought the 3D degraded the image quality and became distracting.

          • w00tstock
          • 10 years ago

          You guys should go read the wikipedia article on imax, it is IMHO a rip off. My local theater screens offer higher resolution and larger screens for less money.

            • mcnabney
            • 10 years ago

            You make a good point. Digital IMAX uses a 2K projector. WTF?

    • oldDummy
    • 10 years ago

    France, damn France.

    OK, I will go see it anyway.

    My grandson will like it.

    • mcnabney
    • 10 years ago

    Yeah, the whole military angle seemed a little implausible. Sending the lead character in to negotiate made sense, but the actual use of military force seemed idiotic. What would really have happened? Defoliate the jungle (Agent Orange/Purple) and either nerve-gas or carpet bomb the surviving fauna. The jungle is a hostile environment so the first thing to be done is removing it.

    • Meadows
    • 10 years ago

    I’ll probably still see it, but like you said, at home just to be on the good side of things.

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