A eulogy for my last good Logitech mouse

Why, oh, why does this happen to me? Why must my privileged, middle-class lifestyle be marred by microswitch failures? Once, just once, I wish I could hang on to a mouse for a few years without the left button inevitably faltering—without it interpreting single clicks as double-clicks and turning simple drag-and-drop operations into dangerous gambles.

Alas, my wish has yet to come true. Until it does, I am condemned to return or throw away mouse after mouse and get accustomed to new pointing device after new pointing device, since even the most popular high-end mice tend to get discontinued after a few years.

I suppose part of the problem is the whole "sitting at the computer pointing and clicking 14 hours a day" thing, which seems to make short work of even the most expensive and seemingly durable mice. My last champion survived these daily tournaments for an entire year before the dreaded black knight of unintended double-clicking took it out of commission. My treasured Logitech MX1100, with its comfortable shape and impressive battery life, spent its last days much like king Henry II of France, the equivalent of a jousting spear to the eye slowly dragging it into an early grave.

Logitech’s tech support department proved helpful enough, bestowing upon me a spanking-new, retail-boxed Performance Mouse MX. Of course, I did have to wait about two weeks for UPS trucks to carry my MX1100’s corpse to Arizona and then bring me the replacement from Tennessee. What could have Logitech done, though? Taken down my credit card details and shipped me the new mouse before receiving the old one? No, no, that’s crazy talk.

I’ve been trying to get used to the Performance Mouse MX for the past couple of days now, and my prevailing feeling is one of longing for the deceased MX1100. I would have loved to get another MX1100 as a replacement, but after a quick stock check, the man at the call center said it would not be so. The MX1100 has been discontinued for good. Admittedly, the Performance Mouse MX is every bit as much of a premium product as the MX1100 was—it’s even better in a number of ways, like the included charging tether.

Yet one little kink makes me wish there was a way to bring back my cherished MX1100.

You see, it seems as though Logitech mice have been progressively turning the middle-click button into a vestigial feature, the atrophied remnant of a formerly useful appendage. With my MX1100, middle-clicking required hitting the wheel at just the right angle. Clicking with my middle finger in the normal position pushed the wheel over to the left, triggering an audible click and the side-scrolling mode. Fair enough, I thought, and simply re-assigned the middle mouse button to the left-scroll switch. Problem solved. I had followed much the same procedure with my old MX1000, which suffered a similar demise long ago. The MX700, which I used before that, had no such need for re-assignment surgery.

With the Performance Mouse MX, the middle click is even more temperamental—sometimes, depressing it will produce an audible click without causing anything to happen on the screen. I tried the ol’ button reassignment trick, but this particular mouse offers no tactile or audible feedback when you push the wheel to the left or right. So, my choice is between a middle-click feature that either works half the time (the default) or one that requires an uncertain amount of pressure to trigger. This choice between bad and worse is infuriating. The more I use the Performance Mouse MX, the more the muscles attached to my middle finger tingle in frustration.

I guess my question to Logitech is: what happened to middle-clicking? Do you guys not use modern web browsers or play games? Do you open tabs by right-clicking choosing "open link in new tab" like a bunch of pre-schoolers? The Performance Mouse MX has been out for nearly two years, and I’m clearly not the first user to complain about an erratic wheel click. This is a $100 mouse we’re talking about here. What happened?

Having been loyal to Logitech for so long, I’m now contemplating venturing forth into the great unknown and buying a mouse made by some other company. I’m not even sure what I’d get, though. I know I’ve become addicted to the free-wheeling toggle button on my last two Logitech mice, and I know I don’t want to do without some kind of dynamic DPI switching functionality (not for games, mind you, but for Photoshop work). A comfortable shape and wireless connectivity are absolute musts, too.

So, I turn to you, our dear readers. What mouse will free me from this downward spiral of frustration and grief? Or is there no hope?

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    • Proxicon
    • 8 years ago

    Anyone that would consider a wireless mouse for gaming is not a serious gamer. The extra latency from wireless plus having to charge it and or get batteries is a definite deal breaker for me. Also, I used one before and and I would swear that wireless routers or something else was interfering with its signal. Until we can get over those hurdles, I’m staying plugged in.

    On a side note, I have a Logitech G5 that I am going to have to replace after almost 5 years of heavy use. It is randomly disconnecting and reconnecting itself at the most inopportune times.

    The most dependable mouse I have owned is the Microsoft IntelliMouse and their dirt cheap. I have some that I can pull out of a box right now and plug right in that are 10 years old.

    • RobbyBob
    • 9 years ago

    All I know, is that my Microsoft Intellimouse (the plain, matte white one with the translucent plastic bottom) has lasted me about 6 years with no issues. It also suits me fine for most gaming. Granted, I still pull out a Razer Lachesis for intense gaming, but the M$ mouse has the lowest cost of ownership of anything I’ve ever owned.

    • dashbarron
    • 9 years ago

    While I wouldn’t necessarily use it primarily for WoW, this mouse has always intrigued by all the shiny buttons.

    Anyone have one?

    [url<]http://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Special-World-Warcraft-Mouse/dp/B001H31B2A[/url<]

      • Ngazi
      • 9 years ago

      I believe it’s a Xai with a horrid shape.

    • anotherengineer
    • 9 years ago

    My MX518 is still going after 5yrs, although it see’s no where near the use you put it through.

    Edit – if you use a mouse 14 hours a day maybe you should try out the vertical mouse

    [url<]http://ergocanada.com/ec_home/products/vertical_1.html[/url<] ordered it for the office assistant at the last company I was at and she really likes it, no more sore wrists and palms

    • Ngazi
    • 9 years ago

    The Microsoft X8 just went on sale at Newegg. Anyone knows anything about it?

      • Ethyriel
      • 9 years ago

      Besides it being a horrific mess of pointless functionality?

    • LoneWolf15
    • 9 years ago

    I’m still using my original Logitex MX-1000 cordless with the laser. I’m dreading the day it dies; it’s probably the last decent cordless mouse that will work with a KVM switch (it was designed for PS/2 use rather than using a USB-port sensor).

    • Chrispy_
    • 9 years ago

    I’ve been ranting about crappy middle-clicking for years – Logitech’s G9 laser mice actually caused me to RMA the damn thing because the button was so stiff.

    I think that the middle button is [i<]as important[/i<] as a right mouse button for browsers and gaming, which is something like 75 of what I do with a PC when I get home from work. Incidentally, middle-click is used extensively in all four of our office's primary CAD packages too.

    • Prestige Worldwide
    • 9 years ago

    A quick ebay search yielded tons of MX1100’s. I suggest you stock up on as many as you can afford to!

    [url<]http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=logitech+mx1100&_sacat=See-All-Categories[/url<] Cheers.

    • FireGryphon
    • 9 years ago

    My favorite mouse was the Logitech MouseMan, the last mouse I owned with a ball. It was large, perfectly-shaped for my hand, and had three great buttons (no scroll wheel). I still have my original MouseMan with a broken cable (but the mouse is good) and a brand-new mouse that Logitech sent me as a replacement (I shortly thereafter graduated to a scroll wheel).

    Even though the lack of a scroll wheel or side buttons limits the MouseMan’s appeal its shape and size has been unequaled in other mice I’ve used. I think about it every time I sit down at my computer.

    • fantastic
    • 9 years ago

    “Do you open tabs by right-clicking choosing “open link in new tab” like a bunch of pre-schoolers?”
    Yes. Isn’t that what Mozilla and Microsoft intended when they put that function into the menu?

    The mouse was a mere concept at Xerox when I was in kindergarten.

    I never saw the need for the center button on any mouse. Also, I prefer new windows to tabs. Yes, I’m o-l-d.

      • Meadows
      • 9 years ago

      Yes you are. By the sound of it, you already bought your coffin too.

      • Anonymous Coward
      • 9 years ago

      [quote<]Also, I prefer new windows to tabs.[/quote<] Now you just sound like a raving lunatic.

      • dashbarron
      • 9 years ago

      Ummm…I didn’t know the middle-click did this until just now.

      /sigh

    • d0g_p00p
    • 9 years ago

    I wanted to die when my last IBM keyboard died. It was not a model M but a current year 2000 model. It was all black with cherry MX Black switches and the thing felt like it weighed 5 lbs or more. I bought 5 and my last one died because of a beer issue. I have spent well over a couple of hundred dollars trying to find a replacement. So far the Steelseries 6Gv2 and ABS M1 are the only models that I have found to come close.

    Mice I can adapt to better than keyboards. Mice and keyboards I have found are very unique as the person using them. Once you find what you like it’s hard to change or imagine using anything different.

    That said my current combo is the SS keyboard and a MS/Razer Habu mouse.

    • abw
    • 9 years ago

    Never had a problem with my old faithfull Logitech Cordless Freedom Optical mouse….

    Despite numerous falls on a floor with tiling…

    • ShadowEyez
    • 9 years ago

    I’ve used logitech mice over the years. Though my newest mice is the razor mamba. Simply nice, not too many buttons, nice quality. The only issue is that every hour or so in wireless mode the cursor will pause for 1/2 of a second or so.

    • siberx
    • 9 years ago

    Wow – over 100 comments and pretty much nobody who read the article closely enough to notice that wireless connectivity is an “ABSOLUTE MUST”.

    So anybody who recommended a corded mouse just wasted their time.

    In the wireless space the market is much more limited; unfortunately, I’ve had pretty poor experiences with the wireless protocols used by nearly every manufacturer *except* Logitech. Bluetooth is right out (way too laggy) and the majority of other proprietary standards exhibit some combination of poor battery life, poor range, or lag.

    Although you have had some poor experiences with Logitech mice, I have used their gaming-line mice since the G5 and have not had a single one fail or give me any strange behaviour at all. All of the group I game with (every one) use logitech mice as well, and we haven’t seen any undue failures. There are some MX518’s, some G5s (rev1 and rev2), some G7’s, a G500 and a few G700’s now (as well as an MX revolution which was well loved by its owner). All of us are rather hard on our peripherals (at least in terms of using them constantly, not in terms of abusing them) and yet we’ve had no problems at all; I suspect higher quality components are put into Logitech’s G-series gaming products due to higher expected wear.

    Don’t let the gaming moniker scare you away from them though; the G700 I upgraded to about 6 months ago has been flawless and is absolutely the best mouse I’ve ever owned. The scroll wheel works just fine for clicking middle mouse (which I use constantly) as well as the left and right tilts, and the free-spin feature is present and accounted for if you have gotten used to having it. The abundance of buttons (placed sensibly to not obstruct) and the use of a standard (Eneloop) NiMH battery with a clean, unobtrusive charging cable makes the mouse very pleasant to use.

    The sensor is very nearly flawless; the *very* slight positive acceleration as mentioned by Meadows’ spreadsheet does exist (my only gripe with the mouse) but is not strong enough to be noticeable in normal or even gaming use, even by somebody sensitive to such things. It really only shows up when explicitly testing for it. Other than that, the sensor response is perfect, and being a high-sensitivity user I very much enjoy the high DPI.

    I highly recommend it (despite you having such a poor track record with Logitech); even if you’re not using it for gaming the G700 is still a fantastic unit.

      • Voldenuit
      • 9 years ago

      Currently using a Razer Orochi. Bluetooth laptop mouse with USB tethered mode and 4000 dpi sensor (2000 dpi in bluetooth mode). Best of both worlds. And, the bluetooth isn’t laggy, either.

      • Cyril
      • 9 years ago

      Just got back from NCIX’s downtown Vancouver store where I ended up getting the G700, as per your suggestion.

      After reading the other comments, my short-list included the the Cyborg R.A.T. 9, the Razer Mamba, and the G700.

      The R.A.T. 9 made it off the list pretty quickly because of its $149.99 CAD price tag and so-so user reviews on Newegg. It’s only got a 3/5 rating right now… looks like a lot of folks are having issues.

      The Mamba is a little bit cheaper at $129.99 CAD and looks solid enough, but the G700 is cheaper still (I got it for $79.99 CAD before tax) and has a number of advantages: the free-wheel toggle that’s so helpful in Excel, three years of warranty coverage instead of two, more buttons, and no docking station. I know you don’t [i<]have[/i<] to use the dock with the Mamba, but reviews I read seem to suggest the tether cable is hard to remove, which doesn't bode well for durability. So far, I'm happy with the G700. The middle click function works better than on any of my previous Logitech mice, save for the old MX700. The control panel has a ton of options, and it feels great in my handβ€”definitely much more comfortable than the Performance MX. The only thing I'm not crazy about is the textured surfaces on the sides, but that's not a deal-breaker by any means.

        • Meadows
        • 9 years ago

        We’ll see in a year if it breaks down on you or not. πŸ˜‰

        • sweatshopking
        • 9 years ago

        You should have got the black one i recommended. it’s great!

    • d34thly
    • 9 years ago

    I can tell you the downfalls of every decent mouse company based on 8hr+daily use for months except Gigabyte (because I haven’t owned any Gigabyte mice yet. Sorry Gigabyte, send me your best gaming mouse and I’ll proper review it).

    Logitech mice (except the G9 series) are all designed for Dilberts/cubicle commanders. Heavy with inertia that gets in the way of precision. Right hand only palm guided anti-precision grip style. Poorly implemented, clunky set point drivers. Having owned almost every high-end Logi, I always get a distinct feel that the cursor or cross-hair is always trying to catch up with my movements. Every Logi I’ve owned has had button or scroll wheel issues of every type that make them unreliable mice for gaming.

    Razer mice used to be great, but are now built cheaply and without a QA department. I hate to dis a company that is tattooed on my forearm, but Razer mice now last an average 3-6 months of typical gamer use when they experience switch faults and mouse wheel wear-out, rendering them useless for anything sensitive or dependable.I also hate that Razer’s customer service now generally just tells you to buy more Razer s**t as a blanket response to almost every query or support ticket submitted to thier site.On a positive note, they did send me a free BlackWidow basic keyboard as a replacement for my DOA Lycosa it took me 2 months to get a response on.

    SteelSeries mice just don’t usually work right out of the box (you might get a working one by your 3rd or 4th RMA). All 6 I own have erratic sensor displacement and other weird tracking behaviors like having a tendency to make me aim straight up in the air after using the scroll wheel. These mice I keep just to show friends the very odd behaviors.

    Mionix mice all have a shape that is hated or loved, no in between about it. FPS & RTS gamers will hate it. My wife loves it only because she doesn’t game and I bought her the right mouse pad to use with it. Mionix mice track on fewer surfaces than any other mice I have ever tried (that is prolly why they always repeatedly refused to send me a review sample). The SS QcK and the Zowie Spawn mat are the only surfaces I could get these mice to track OK on.

    Fatal1ty mice’s sensor feels slightly(and only slightly) better than Mionix and SteelSeries. They are built cheap and wear out quick (after 2 months the plastic will start making creaking sounds when flexing) the scroll wears out quick and the weight compartment fits loosely and rattles around during movement.

    Roccat mice, hmmm where to start. They are a company in love with themselves. They have the best build quality, but the designs you may hate. The interfacesless customization (Kova) may as well just give you an on screen GUI as it is counter-intuitive and you will have to go get the cheat sheet that came with the mouse anyway (kinda reminds me of playing indigo prophecy/fahrenheit where I had the “WTF were they thinking with this f**d up control scheme!!” moment). I sometimes launch configuration or mouse options without knowing it during intense gaming because of the control scheme.

    Zowie mice only exhibit one minor flaw: they have the same glossy black plastic sides as many other mouse companies. ooh, just thought of another flaw: if you use a Zowie mouse at a tournament or LAN party you will not be able to blame your mouse for getting Pwnd or missing a headshot.

    • d34thly
    • 9 years ago

    GET A ZOWIE EC1(big hands) or EC2(medium and small hands)! These ARE the best mice to use for precision in Photoshop. I own every razer (besides tron & starcraft) every steel series, every roccat, every mionix, every logitech MX and G series mouse (besides the G9x) and the Fatal1ty mice but this Zowie mouse simply outperforms them all!!! I have the EC2 and it fits perfectly in hand for a palm grip yet is small enough to claw grip perfect like I do. Built solid yet simple. Buttons are more sensitive and responsive than any other mouse I’ve used (allows me to quickly quadro tap the Famas or M16), best scroll wheel I’ve used (never over/under scrolls, perfect middle mouse button pressure that never misses) Feels and performs like a natural extension of yourself. I tried to get it to microstutter on 26 different mouse pads, just doesn’t exhibit ANY sporadic behaviors of other mice.
    While You’re at it, pick up a Spawn surface from Zowie too; It is literally the only mousing surface that made my previous favorite surface (SS QcK+) feel like a piece of garbage.

    • egon
    • 9 years ago

    And here I was thinking I was a lone weirdo in my frustration over the degrading usability of the wheel middle click capability in recent Logitech mice. This problem is the reason the tilt-wheel mouse I’m using is a six year old model.

    • LiquidSpace
    • 9 years ago

    The best wireless mouse at the moment is the Gigabyte Aivia M8600.
    I strongly recommend the Aivia,its just too great.

      • d34thly
      • 9 years ago

      Based solely on reviews of every wireless mouse reviewed across the web, I agree. If you NEED wireless, get a Gigabyte Aivia M8600.

    • Thrashdog
    • 9 years ago

    I just replaced a long-suffering MX510 (seven years before the right-click started going out!) with a RAT7, and I’m quite happy with it. Everything feels very solid on it, and once you’ve got the fit dialed in the buttons and rests are all where you want them to be. It remains to be seen if it’s as durable as the mouse it replaced, but so far so good.

      • Chrispy_
      • 9 years ago

      I wondered about the RAT7 but it took so long to come to market that I had already replaced my flimsy, poorly-designed, poorly manufactured, worn-out, creaky, 1-year old deathadder with a G9x.

      How is clicking the wheel? Can you middle-click rapidly and without accidentally scrolling, or does it require so much force that middle-click feels like an design afterthought?

    • ThorAxe
    • 9 years ago

    I have used a lot of mice from Microsoft, Logitech and Razer and so far none have failed…yet.

    I’m talking about mice dating from the original Microsoft Intellimouse and Logitech Mouseman Wheel to the MX700, MX510, MX518, Razer Death Adder, Diamondback and Imperator.

    I don’t think that you can make broad generalizations about one brand being more reliable than the other. I think it has more to do with the model and usage.

    • NIKOLAS
    • 9 years ago

    I too have a MX1100 and I only bought it about 2 years ago, but it is by far the best mouse I have ever had.

    What a shame that Logitech can’t put out a product that is better than this in every regard.

    • FuturePastNow
    • 9 years ago

    I, too, am using a MX1100, which replaced a MX1000. This mouse can never die; I don’t know what I’d do.

    • Sunburn74
    • 9 years ago

    I have a performance mx mouse, the same as the one you complain about. Quite frankly, its great. Only flaw is it needs to be slightly higher res, but even in FPSes I can still nail headshots no problems.

    What happened to middle clicking? Honestly outside of gaming, I never middle click.

      • FuturePastNow
      • 9 years ago

      I middle click all day long. Open in a new tab, close a tab, open in a new tab, close a tab.

    • ShadowTiger
    • 9 years ago

    Am i the only one who misses 3 button mice?

    Instead of having 2 buttons on top with a mouse wheel and extra thumb buttons on the side, I would rather have 3 mouse buttons on the top and a thumb wheel on the side. This seems like a good idea for a kickstarter project… what do you guys think?

    P.S. Love my Razer Copperhead, I own 2

      • d34thly
      • 9 years ago

      Yeah I still own 2 also. they are the second longest lasting Razer mice I have owned. I still own the original 1600dpi BoomSlang ball mouse also. Zowie is now the best mouse company.

    • juampa_valve_rde
    • 9 years ago

    i have the feeling that current logitech products do not match the quality they used to have, everywhere in their lineup, mices, keybs, gamepads, wheels, etc

    • Rakhmaninov3
    • 9 years ago

    I have a MS wireless laser mouse 8000 and it’s tough, been going for 5 years now.

    • no51
    • 9 years ago

    The only mouse that ever died on me prematurely was a Microsoft Habu mouse, between the buggy drivers and short switch life, the Razer name has been forever tarnished for me. On the other hand, My MX510 is still functional (probably pushing 7 years now) though my G9 doesn’t have such a stellar record. It’s still functioning fine, but most of the rubber coating on it is gone and the rubber strip they put on the scroll wheel became too loose within a couple of months. And the side scrolling, the side scrolling. WHY??? I can count the number of times I’ve used this “feature” on one hand.

    • ImSpartacus
    • 9 years ago

    [b<]I HAVE SOLVED THE MIDDLE CLICK BUTTON PROBLEM![/b<] Just bind the thumb key to the PM MX's middle click. uberOptions changes Setpoint to allow all possible functions to be bound to any buttons you want. Just bind middle click to the thumb button and off you go. [url<]http://uberoptions.net/[/url<] My MX Revolution died a few months ago and I had to get a Performance Mouse MX. It's not perfect, but it's ok.

      • egon
      • 9 years ago

      Glad you’re happy with that, but to me that’s like someone whose O key isn’t working reliably downloading a software utility that lets them reassign O to Ctrl-P.

        • ImSpartacus
        • 9 years ago

        The thumb key is a new key that doesn’t really serve a purpose. I don’t even remember what the default bind is.

        This is like binding O to one of your macro keys on a gaming keyboard. Except that your thumb is always naturally hovering over the macro key in question.

    • burntham77
    • 9 years ago

    It is like every word of this article was sucked out of my skull. The MX that you talk about is acting just the same way mine did before it died after a year. Lately that seems to be the trend.

    The last few Logitech mice I have used died in 6 to 12 months, and it’s always the damned left button. One day I will be dragging files to another window only to see them deposited on the desktop or in the wrong folder, due to the fact that the mouse suddenly thinks I have lifted my finger, which I have not. This is especially frustrating while doing taxes or real estate paperwork, where mistakes could be detrimental to my financial well-being.

    The strange thing is it does not seem to matter if its the 30 dollar basic wireless model that my wife uses or the 100 dollar MX fancy-pants mouse. And it only seems to be a Logitech problem. My old roommate has a Microsoft wireless keyboard and mouse set that’s been going strong for a good three years. I even went as far as buying Microsoft mice for me and for my wife, and so far they’re super.

    I would love to see more mice with better middle buttons. I don’t like having to press down my wheel to click the middle button, especially because if often moves the wheel, which usually changes my weapon in whatever game I am playing, like Crysis. I like the scroll wheel, but it needs to be away from the middle button, not part of it.

    Maybe it is finally time to admit that Logitech’s time as the king of the mice has passed.

      • d34thly
      • 9 years ago

      EC mice do not scroll accidentally when pressing the MMB

    • Firestarter
    • 9 years ago

    I <3 my MX518. Too bad I can’t increase the polling rate in Windows 7 without unsigned driver stuff. AFAIK it should work just fine with the polling rate at 500hz (which in combination with 100+ fps and a 120hz display should be golden), but the driver won’t let it. I guess I’ll have to get a G500 if I ever build a proper gaming PC.

      • Meadows
      • 9 years ago

      You have to uninstall the Logitech driver and let Windows install the mouse, and then you can replace the system file with 500 Hz information afterwards.

      It’s not like the Logitech drivers would be useful for anything, anyway. It worked for me.

      Edit: Pity 1000 Hz didn’t work, it was too variable and unstable. My new Roccat mouse has no problems however, and is all-around better as far as I feel it.

        • Firestarter
        • 9 years ago

        So the default Windows 7 driver *can* do this? Awesome! After reading the rest of the comments I might have to pick up a Zowie EC1 though πŸ™‚

          • Meadows
          • 9 years ago

          Similar sensor faults compared to the MX 518, except the Zowie mice use an even more inexpensive and inferior sensor themselves (with a native 800 dpi limit to boot), so I wouldn’t count on them for anything besides browsing.

    • boing
    • 9 years ago

    For those being ambidextrous, left-handed or just needing to switch the preferred mouse-hand from time to time because of repetitive stress disorder (such as myself), the MX310 was the best mouse ever made.

    Using an MX518 for the time being after my MX310 broke down on me. Though on the top of my wish-list is a good mouse not forcing the user to be right-handed.

    • Nutmeg
    • 9 years ago

    MX518 forever <333

    • JoJoBoy
    • 9 years ago

    I have been very happy with my MX510 that is now 7 years old and my MX518 which is 6 years old. I just clean each every couple of months and they both run like new except all the logos are worn off. Gaming, photo editing, and web browsing are all great and the wheel click still works great on each.

    • cobalt
    • 9 years ago

    FYI, I had the single-to-double click problem as well. If memory serves, I believe I decided in my case it was purely a reception issue and got a USB extension cable to move the receiver closer to the mouse, and it seemed quite a bit better.

    But man, I can’t agree more about the middle click irritations. Thank you for taking them to task on this, Cyril — my soapbox isn’t as tall as yours. My MX Revolution wheel is starting to get too tricky to click thanks to all their gadgetry in there, so now I need to evaluate some alternatives. (And thanks to everyone else for the suggestions, some good stuff in there.)

    • swaaye
    • 9 years ago

    Hey I have 3 MX510s from about 8 years ago yet. πŸ™‚

    • DancinJack
    • 9 years ago

    My Razer Diamondback is still rocking pretty hard. Had it for 5+ years and haven’t ever had an issue. They even threw in a nice mousing surface! AND IT GLOWS RED!!!!

    • Thesprunk
    • 9 years ago

    I’m still chugging along with my MX1100. I’ve had it for at least 2 years now. Had to replace the battery in it once, and had to buy a new usb dongle cause I bumped -thus broke – my first one, but I take it apart and clean it hear and again (you’ll be surprised how much dust, and cat hair and dirt can wriggle its way into those tiny seams). And it very well may be that which is why the mouse itself still runs flawlessly. Except for the middle click.

    I too have that issue with the MX. the tilt wheel is an interesting idea, but too foreign a gesture to execute imo. Further more mine would definitely click when you pushed left, but not right (although it would still register the right tilt). Instead of reprogramming the middle click though I simply solved the problem by disassembling it and physically disabling the tilt mechanism (very easy to do) so that it just clicked (and scrolled). Viola!

    Dread the day this mouse dies though. If the MX1100 are out of production/off the shelves, and the Performance mouse has a similar problem, I’ll probably pick up their new trackball mouse instead, the one with the blue ball. Whatever its called.

    Just a thought, doesnt the Performance MX have a button on the bottom left lip where you rest your thumb? Couldn’t you program that to be a middle click?

    • Blazex
    • 9 years ago

    still running an old G3, bought it for $20 at fry’s before they removed them from stocks, it’s been a good mouse for a couple years now and no problems through whatever its been through, my previous mouse’s scroll just plain gave up click and all but that was some no-name that i cant remember πŸ™‚

    • ChronoReverse
    • 9 years ago

    Try oiling the microswitches.

    I’ve had microswitches in various devices go bad ranging from registering multiple clicks with a single click to getting stuck. The multiple click syndrome I’ve found can sometimes be entirely fixed simply by putting single drop of machine oil (not WD40!) on the switch and clicking it a few times to get the oil into the microswitch.

    • Kougar
    • 9 years ago

    Comfortable shape, long wireless battery life, adjustable DPI, durable clicking, and most importantly an easy to depress wheel “button”… sounds exactly like the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 I had for a few years. Only the Intellimouse Explorer model was any good, the rest of their wireless models felt like cheap plastic imitations and didn’t track as well. Oh, fancy that [url<]https://techreport.com/articles.x/6123[/url<] After using it (and it's replacement) for 5+ years my needs changed to the point I started looking for a replacement mouse. I currently use the Logitech G500 as I wanted a wider range of DPI and acceleration options to tweak, and I no longer wanted a wireless mouse. Shape isn't perfect and the software has some annoying oversights, and the mouse doesn't glide as smoothly and seems too light... But the wheel is so hard to click that I simply don't use it, I just remapped the button to one of the three on the side. The Intellimouse Explorer 2.0 had a nicer contour to it, at least for my particular hand... doesn't look like Microsoft makes this series anymore... there's a cheap wired 4.0 model but I've never used it given the DPI is low.

    • Kalakaka
    • 9 years ago

    I’ve been using the same Logitech MX518 for several years without any issues. Trust me when I say that it has been through hundreds of gaming sessions without any issues. I have a 2nd one for backup but I’ve yet to open the package. There’s no need since the 1st one is still in excellent condition.

    • Crayon Shin Chan
    • 9 years ago

    I have a MX518, and I tried a Razer Lachesis. It’s nice and all that, but the Lachesis had the strange habit of sometimes double-middle-clicking. The MX518, about two years older, was always very well behaved and never did anything of the sort. I did spend a lot on the Lachesis, but when the rubber texture wore out on the right side buttons, I decided that a shoddy product was a shoddy product and went back to my trusty MX518.

    EDIT: My MX310 is still in service in Malaysia, for those old school Halo sessions. The ball mouse I used to use before I had the MX310 would screw up after a few centimeters of range, but after slamming it down real hard on the tabletop once it would work fine for a few centimeters more before not detecting any movement again. And I managed to play Halo on Legendary with that πŸ˜€

    • sweatshopking
    • 9 years ago

    I’ve had the same mouse for a few years, and it’s done me fine, i’m not sure the model, but it’s black. doesn’t seem to have anything written on it but a bunch of numbers and made in china. i think it’s probably like a 250dpi optical. sometimes it goes crazy and makes the pointer jump all over the screen. If i’m playing a shooter i usually spin around a bunch and look at the floor or ceiling. You guys know what i’m talking about!! seems to be fine though. I don’t know where it came from, which means it was free. That being said, for the price, I highly recommend it! black mouse, made in china, with a red light gets a 9/10 from SSK! That qualifies for a “child workers choice” award!

    • Kurkotain
    • 9 years ago

    reading all the comments giving praise to the logitech MX revolution (that it rightfully deserves, i’ve tried like 4 mice from razer and find them horribly uncomfortable) i fell kinda bad telling you guys that i checked the place i got mine from, and they still had like 5 of them in stock :D, although at the insane price i got mine on $125… but considering Ecuador you won’t find that mouse anywhere else…

    • jpostel
    • 9 years ago

    I understand that my advice doesn’t help you now, but it may in the future: I have developed the habit of buying a backup (or multiples) for stuff that wears out. I usually buy the backup after using the primary for just long enough to confirm that I would buy another of the same thing.

    I do it with computer stuff like mice (just last month), and keyboards, but also with other stuff like tools, running sneakers, clothes, etc.

    • JdL
    • 9 years ago

    Logitech is the best. It’s terrible that they feel the need to “reinvent the wheel” all the time. My favorite was MX Revolution.

    You know what I did for the Performance middle-click problem? I learned not to use it. Totally wrong. Logitech needs to fire some people over there. People are not “upgrading” their mice – they are replacing broken ones. I just want my favorite mouse back. Don’t need new features, unless it’s battery life, weight, etc.

    • Veerappan
    • 9 years ago

    I’d try to find one of the Logitech MX Revolution models. I’ve been using mine for about 2.5 years now, and I’ve loved every minute of it. Charges last me at least 1-2 weeks (usually 2 or higher). Charging time is a few hours. I’ll usually just wait for it to get low and throw it on the cradle overnight.

    I give it extra kudos for the fact that the scroll wheel cruise mode is engaged automatically, not by a button press (you can configure at what scroll speed it disengages the clutch). The thumb rocker/button is also perfectly placed. I use mine for volume/mute, but you can map them to whatever you want through the driver software.

    My only complaint is that the USB receiver is a bit weak, so you’ll probably want to plug the receiver into your monitor’s USB hub, or get a USB extension cable to bring the receiver to within a foot or two of your usual mousing surface. I just affixed mine to the back of my monitor stand where the cable guides are.

      • plasticplate
      • 9 years ago

      Dont listen to sandalwood smugglers πŸ™‚

      • JdL
      • 9 years ago

      Loved the MX Revolution. Have yet to find a better mouse.

      • KorruptioN
      • 9 years ago

      +++ on the automatic scroll wheel cruise. It is a feature I live by when surfing forums (such as this one).

      It appears that Logitech isn’t doing this automatic clutch disengagement anymore, so it’ll be tough for me to pick up one of their newer models. The battery in my MX Revolution is starting to go bad – it asks for more juice a little more frequently now. I’m at a loss as to what I’ll eventually replace it with. Ideas?

      • rhema83
      • 9 years ago

      I have been in love with the VX Revolution (little brother of the MX Revolution) since its launch in 2007 and couldn’t be happier since. The fly in the ointment is the finicky search button which is very often the first to fail. I tried Razer Deathadder and Lachesis, and found both to be not as comfortable as the VX.

      Does anyone know what is the proper replacement of the VX, especially in terms of ergonomics? My hand literally grew to fit the VX after years of usage, but the mice are starting to fail with age (come on, 4 year old mice need replacement).

    • Malphas
    • 9 years ago

    The Logitech MX510 and the G5 are about the best mice ever made, the MX510 slightly moreso. I’ve had mine since 2004 and now although it’s completely filthy and the printing has long since rubbed off it still works perfectly.

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 9 years ago

    Logitech are the driver/laser champions but everything else in there build/design is very poor. From materials used in the feet and buttons and palm rests to the actual clickers in the buttons. I have since started branching out and looking for a better enthusiast mouse elsewhere. The razor solutions have major firmware/laser issues resulting in skipping and stuck cursors. The wireless RAT 9 I got has horrible battery life(one charge lasts about a day of intermittent use) I can’t tell you who makes the best mouse. Its really annoying since I don’t buy the High sensitivity for games but for graphics work. So frustrating.

      • kamikaziechameleon
      • 9 years ago

      My first enthusiast mouse a logitech Mx 510 sites infront of me half the feet gone all the buttons gummed up with junk and yet it persists. I’m amazed by the laser and drivers of this device it just works even when It feels like I’m dragging it on sand paper with gum under the button shields.

    • mafropetee
    • 9 years ago

    Yeah I miss my old mx518. If I’m not mistaken, they still make it. Razers are nice, but there’s just something about the feel of a logitech that can’t be beat.

    • TO11MTM
    • 9 years ago

    I tend to agree the logitechs aren’t quite like they used to be, and I’m not digging the newer ones like I did the older. I adored my MX700, and even my old M500 portable mouse. I picked up a 505 as a replacement and it’s found itself wanting. And it’s not even a matter of ‘getting used’ to them… We use Logitechs at work exclusively (CAD, wireless mice are so nice for it and the programmable buttons are handy.) But I could never get quite used to the newer mice like I could my MX700.

    Lo and behold, Newegg had a Sidewinder X8 on sale. It looked fancy, and while I’ve had mixed experiences with microsoft mice in the past I figured for the sale it would be hard to pass up; worst comes to worst I could just use it for one of the computers I don’t touch often.

    I have to say, It’s like falling in love all over again. The wheel is nice, with good tactile feedback on the buttons as well as the scroll, and yet the scroll has a nice and light feel to it. The buttons feel pretty good too, and while the DPI Adjustment buttons are somewhat gimmicky… I’m starting to get the hang of them.

    Also, while battery life isn’t the best… the charging teather is incredibly slick and even after a 12 hour day at the office I still have over half a charge according to the on-mouse indicator.

    In short, Try an X8. I don’t think you’ll be too disappointed.

    • flip-mode
    • 9 years ago

    I’m using a Logitech model M-UVDEL1. It’s a 3 button either-handed mouse that’s about 5 years old. It’s the most comfortable mouse my hand has ever rested on. No faulty clicks. Decent if not perfrect tactile feedback. It was the standard issue Dell mouse that Came with the Optiplex GX 620s we got in 2006.

    Logitech must have discontinued it since the 2007 Dells came with a different and much less comfortable – much less comfortable – mouse.

    Anyway, I have 3 of these M-UVDEL1 models – but with one at home and one at work I can only handle one failure.

    Cyril, if I’d have paid $100 only to end up in your situation, I would be very, very, very hostile toward Logitech at that point.

    • plasticplate
    • 9 years ago

    I have been using a Microsoft sidewinder X5 i bought on sale for $25 for almost one and a half years. I mainly use it for CAD work and i tend to use all the buttons for various CAD tasks. The mouse is really comfortable, but the best thing about the mouse is the tactile feedback of the side buttons and the middle click. It is really satisfying. Also the placement of side buttons (vertical instead of horizontal in almost every other mouse) is simply the best(i have a logitech g9x at home for gaming, and while its great, i sometimes switch to the wrong wep cause its side buttons are horizontal and i pressed the wrong one by mistake). All in all, i have used the steelseries, Gigabyte ghost, Logitech g9x, Logitech wireless 410(i think) and a razer deathadder. Of all these, i found the Microsoft Sidewinder the most comfortable and useful for OFFICE work. I still prefer the g9x for gaming for its claw grip.

    • bthylafh
    • 9 years ago

    I’m not as hard on my mice as you are, but I’m pretty happy with my MX518. It works reliably, it’s comfortable. Not as featureful as some other mice. I haven’t had the noise problem with mine, and I’d notice – I can hear CRT flyback transformers, so nothing wrong with my ability to hear high pitch.

    The middle click works as I expect.

    You’d have to give up the wirelessness.

      • thanatos355
      • 9 years ago

      This ability to use the middle click button without hassle is why I gave up my Logi Mx Revolution (after having an Mx1000) and went back to my “work” mouse, the Mx518. It’s just a solid, reliable mouse. I used one for years doing 12-20hr days of solid AutoCAD work and just as long weekend work playing games and such. My only real complaint about it (other than the irksome mouse cord getting in the way) is that the left mouse button shell seems to unstick from the button itself so that it makes extra noise and sometimes causes clicks to be harder than normal to perform. Other than that, it’s a-ok.

      *edit*

      Side scrolling middle click buttons are the death of high end mice for me. Even when I find one for a great price, that looks awesome, with great reviews, and are “gaming” oriented, I’ll instantly look away when I see those damn side scroll arrows.

    • mikeymike
    • 9 years ago

    I developed a problem with my wrist that made it unwise to use a standard mouse for extended periods of time. A friend recommended a trackball (Logitech MarbleFX), which the left microswitch eventually wore out and I got the one that my company bought for me a while before, as I was just leaving that company at that point. I still have that trackball, which is my standby for when my wireless mouse runs out of batteries.

    I found that the MX700 was contoured differently and my wrist didn’t hurt with it, so I’ve stuck with Logitech mice since.

    I can’t remember what I had before the Logitech MX700, but the MX700 died within the 5-year warranty (dodgy charger). I think Logitech gave me a refund for it, then I got the MX1000. That died within the 5-year warranty too (dodgy wheel), and Logitech sent me the MX Revolution without needing the old one back first IIRC. I still have the MX Revolution. I don’t know whether I get a shortened warranty with the MX Revolution because it was a replacement.

    My only irritation with the MX Revolution is not being able to middle-click. I like the rapid scroll wheel function, and being able to switch back to switch back to a standard wheel function is nice, but I would prefer the middle button function and have some other way to switch back to a standard wheel function, even if the switch is on the underside of the mouse.

    • wiak
    • 9 years ago

    FYI Cyril Kowaliski
    stop doing a uber fast mouse races around your workroom floor πŸ˜›
    meybe logitech should start selling mouse in packs of two

    • EndlessWaves
    • 9 years ago

    Microsoft are worth looking at, they tend to make pretty reliable products. I initially had an Intellimouse Explorer 1 which must have lasted the best part of five years before the tracking went screwy, a little disappointing but understandable considering it was one of the first optical mice. Then I switched to the rather small Intellimouse Explorer 3 but while it’s tracking and buttons were fine the glide pads were very badly designed and kept getting gummed up and eventually fell off. My sidewinder mouse has fixed that problem though, and I fully expect that to last at least five years (it’s on it’s third year now).

    If you’re not gaming and don’t need wireless then it’s worth looking at a high-end trackball such as the CST LTrac/LTracX as I’d generally expect that to last longer given you’re not throwing it around and there’s no weight limit.

    • Parallax
    • 9 years ago

    Bought a Razer Imperator recently because of the noise my MX518 was making. Yes, NOISE as in buzzing.

    I thought my speakers were going bad until I discovered the high-pitched sound was coming from the mouse. It seems to emit 2 different tones I can hear, both out of range of most people’s hearing, with the higher one being much louder. The mouse didn’t do this at first, but over the last few months it got progressively worse as I kept using it.

    Apparently this has been a problem for a long time now (see [url=http://jdc.parodius.com/logitech/<]here[/url<]). I've checked MX518 mice from several other people and they all have the same problem, mine just didn't show itself until later in it's life. It looks like it is possible to fix the noise, but only by disabling the scroll wheel. Hopefully Logitech will fix this at some point, because I really liked everything else about my MX518. The new Razer is completely silent.

    • Ryhadar
    • 9 years ago

    I found the perfect mouse for me over a year ago: the Razer Deathadder 3.5G. It’s comfortable, ergonomic, and looks great — except the material made my hands sweat like crazy. [i<]Thankfully[/i<], they released a new version called the Razer Deathadder black edition. It's the same as the 3.5G save that the material is different. The sides are rubber and the top is plastic. Oh and no lights (yay!), but you could turn those off on the 3.5G in the driver settings so it wasn't a big deal. I'm going to be very, very sad when that thing dies and they aren't selling them anymore.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 9 years ago

    I feel the pain, Cyril. I actually went through 4 or 5 mice when my beloved MX310 died a couple years ago – I was buying a new mouse every 3-4 months, not because the replacements died, but because they annoyed me in some way. The last “bad” mouse I got was an MS comfort mouse 4500, which I actually really liked until the scroll wheel started sticking every couple rotations and eventually died altogether – and I’d only had it for 2 months. Back in January I got an MX518 and I wish I’d just gotten it sooner. I love it. Hopefully you won’t be constantly swapping out mice, but if you are, know you’re not alone.

      • TheEmrys
      • 9 years ago

      I continue to make all sorts of pagan sacrifices to the computer gods to keep my MX310 running strong. As I use my mouse like a right-hander, but with my left hand I have no idea what I would do if it died. All the ambidextrous mice I’ve seen are very cheap and not nearly as nice as my MX310.

    • Bombadil
    • 9 years ago

    The cord on my wife’s Logitech G9 had frayed from rubbing on the edge of the desk and would occasionally stop working. She tried their website, but couldn’t find the serial number of the mouse to complete the online form (its on the tag near the USB plug), so she called them and after a couple of tries and a long wait they said they would ship her a new G9x. They didn’t even ask us to ship the G9 back. It would probably be a good idea to remove braided sleeve on the cord of the new mouse, as it definitely caused the problem on the old one.

    • willmore
    • 9 years ago

    Cyril,

    I got an Anywhere MX a few months back and it like the little brother to the mouse you show–with all of the same problems. One thing I can answer for you is what the click from depressing the mouse wheel does. Try it. Press hard, get it to click, then spin it. Does it click when it turns? Good, it should scroll one unit at a time. Press it again, now it spins freely. Need to scroll down a large web page or a huge menu? Perfect. Yeah, not the middle button it should be, but a handy feature–once you can train your finger to stop trying to press it when you meant to middle click.

    The Anywhere MX has a great sensor. I spent a lot of time looking for a mouse that would track on the armrest of my couch without needing a pad or a sheet. This is the first mouse that’s done so flawlessly. Plus, it’s got a nice heft to it and the Unifying receiver feature should be made a law for all wireless mice and keyboards. If only their software to configure the mouse wasn’t such a POS. *sigh*

    • Thorburn
    • 9 years ago

    I made the progression from MX510, MX1000, MX Revolution and finally the Performance MX – couldn’t stand the last one and ended up sourcing another MX Revolution.

    The tethered charging is a godsend for more reasons than one, not only can you use the mouse for charging but also because both my MX1000 and MX Revo died due to the charging contacts on the mouse wearing away to nothing.

    But the thing that made me ditch the Performance MX? The MX Revo has a brilliant ratchet/free spin mouse wheel that releases the clicks from the scroll wheel when you spin it quickly, then turns it back on as the scroll wheel slows down. Brilliant when you quickly want to scroll through a large document or web page.

    The Performance MX has the same thing, except you have to turn it on and off with a button, making it useless.

      • Veerappan
      • 9 years ago

      I’ve gotta echo the love for the scroll wheel on the MX Revolution. I’ve had one for about 2.5 years now, and I love this feature.

      If Logitech has messed this feature up along with removing the side wheel/rocker, I’d be disappointed to replace my Revolution with this new Performance MX.

      My MX Revolution usually lasts me a good week or two per charge, and a night (or day while I’m at work) in its cradle is enough to get it back to full whenever it starts to get low.

      Hopefully the next iteration combines the good points of the MX Revolution with the micro-USB charge cable of the Performance MX. That would make it just about perfect.

    • spuppy
    • 9 years ago

    I had an MX510 for at least 5 years, and recently upgraded to a “G500”. Both are fantastic, and the only reason I stopped using the 510 was because it was getting really beat up and nasty, and the G500 was on sale. Otherwise it worked fine.

    Basic, corded mice are the way to go. I also like the switch on the G500 which switches the scroll wheel from a clicky scroller to a free wheel πŸ™‚

      • indeego
      • 9 years ago

      Yep went from a mx518 to G500 and no complaints. The advantage of the G500 are no pads to get worn down. I wish they made a model without the silly weights at a reduced cost.

        • spuppy
        • 9 years ago

        Yeah the weights are kind of goofy, I don’t use them at all.

          • thesmileman
          • 9 years ago

          I use the weights from time to time but I take them out when I will be doing a lot of math work.

      • thesmileman
      • 9 years ago

      I went from the 518 to the g500 after trying several razor ones and lot of others. The G500 is the only one that doesn’t make my hand hurt.

    • Meadows
    • 9 years ago

    Edit #2 (I wrote this on the day the blog post appeared, but TR had one of its infamous one-hour breakdowns during a presumably botched backup, so I saved the comment and never got around to putting it here until now).

    Since one of your criteria was wireless, ordinarily I’d point to this first: [url<]http://www.roccat.org/Products/Gaming-Mice/ROCCAT-Pyra-Wireless/#crb_2[/url<] However, regular availability of Roccat products in the US and Canada is nonexistent, which is a sad fact. As such - sad as it may be -, my second pick would be [url<]http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169418100[/url<] And this you can buy too: [url<]http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=37192&vpn=RZ01%2D00120100%2DR3U1[/url<] ---- Original comment: Cyril, hear me out. This is going to sound clichΓ©, but do get a gaming mouse, and by all means, stay AWAY from Logitech. Their features and the sensors used are not bad [i<]per se[/i<] - at least in the MX518 and G9x models -, but I have my own suspicions about build quality - the scroll wheel of my MX518 turned cooky in about a year of having owned it, so I gifted it to my brother for gaming, he doesn't care. I got myself a ROCCAT Kone[+]. Not anyone's idea of a cheap purchase or an immediately obvious choice, but I did constant research on build quality, sensors, features, drivers/firmware, and customer support for all of 2-3 weeks prior to buying it, and it left the best impression. Point is, I've seen many mice screw up with left-clicks after enough use - but frankly, all of those cost 30 dollars or less. If your expensive Logitech is doing it, just stay away from the brand altogether. Edit: For pointer accuracy, sensor model and specifications, and general first impressions, check this spreadsheet I found online: [url<]https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AosJbEwEG9GpdEpBMGc1ZXo0S3BLQm1YQ09jeVZ6bEE&w=100&h=650[/url<] For build quality, you're going to have to rely on testimonies, but in general, gaming mice shouldn't disappoint. Stick to Razer, Roccat, or Steelseries. I personally have experience with Roccat - a relative newcomer in the public eye -, and both their products and their customer support are great. I guess we'll see in a year whether the buttons turn to mashed potatoes, though.

      • willmore
      • 9 years ago

      I recently got a Razer DeathAdder 3.5G and I’m not very impressed with it. It replaces my Wolfking Trooper mouse which worked fine until it literally fell apart. The teflon skid pads on the bottom of the DeathAdder are *too small* and stick on my mouse pad. Thinking my pad might be dirty, I tried a few other mice–no problem with them. Sadly, I love everything else about the mouse.

        • gbcrush
        • 9 years ago

        There’s a solution to that. Get some glide tape/teflon surfaces:

        [url<]http://www.xtracpads.com/sections.php?section=3[/url<] I thought Razer sold some too? Anyways, if you like everything else about the mouse except the teflon pads, it seems silly to ditch the mouse without trying something like this. And if you do go with something like this, let us know how it works! πŸ˜€

          • willmore
          • 9 years ago

          I never said I was going to get rid of the mouse, I was going to get a new mouse *pad*. πŸ™‚

          Anyway, I have a roll of teflon tape. I got it years ago when some satallite building government lab went out of business and the contents of the lab made their way to the local flea market. Bought a roll, then went home and looked up how much it was worth. I should have bought the guy out, I could have sold it and put my kids through college. I’m glad to see it’s come down in price. πŸ™‚

          If the new mouse pad doesn’t fix it, I’ll add more sliding surface.

            • Ngazi
            • 9 years ago

            Get something easy to clean. I’ve never heard of a mat that isn’t.

      • BobbinThreadbare
      • 9 years ago

      I have a 3 year old MX518 with no issues at all.

        • Ngazi
        • 9 years ago

        This is why you never recommend gaming mice to anyone who didn’t ask for one. They will leave acceleration on and never mouse quickly or accurately enough to care. I typically recommend Kengsinton’s $5 mice. They’re built much better.

      • Ngazi
      • 9 years ago

      Anyone who plays Quake or who otherwise need to do a lot of turning should consider the Zowie EC over those mice because of its almost zero lift off distance. Or just stack some tape and a new set of mouse feet but that increases the center of gravity.

      Did you have to ship it from Europe?

        • d34thly
        • 9 years ago

        Yay, somebody besides me on this forum actually games. and uses a great mouse doing it.

          • Ngazi
          • 9 years ago

          I game but I suck at Quake. Using Salmosa broken wheel and all.

            • Voldenuit
            • 9 years ago

            I liked my old Salmosa. Had an Asian edition which is smaller than the North American counterpart. I just like having small mice. My new Orochi eats it for breakfast, though. Like Razer’s new synapse onboard ROM that stores your settings, so I can use it on another computer and it remembers my settings. Downside is that you have to set them up when you’re in tethered mode (can’t change settings over bluetooth).

        • Meadows
        • 9 years ago

        I *am* in Europe. It was easy. I couldn’t find any Roccat products for you guys on Newegg or NCIX though, so there’s a problem.

        The Kone[+] has a driver feature where you can reduce LOD to a very minimal amount, it almost feels the same as any optical mouse. Very nice. The teflon feet (two feet on the front, and a jagged-C shaped stripe on the rear) have already started to erode slightly in just a month of having owned it, but the explanation is simple, they were chiseled to a triangular shape, with a sharp edge touching the mousepad. I would’ve been surprised if it hadn’t rounded off. Edit: The glide of the mouse was not affected.

        Contributing to smooth handling, I think the Roccat SOTA pad deserves a very honourable mention, because it’s some sort of hybrid plastic-like surface (I actually have no idea what it is), and provides the best glide I’ve ever experienced, and cleaning it is insanely easy because it’s not textile, so crap don’t get stuck in it.

        Overall, I’m amazed at my new setup. I did not, for a second, recommend it because it’s gaming hardware, but because I have negative experience with Logitech gear. This Roccat is comfortable, much better than my previous laser purchase (it was horrid), does not jitter, the drivers are useful (if a little flashy), and Roccat have impressed me several times with their mousepads before, too. I love the brand so far, I regret nothing about turning my back to Steelseries and Razer.

        That is all.

      • d34thly
      • 9 years ago

      if choosing from Razer, Steel Series and Roccat, definitely get the Roccat. My weapon of choice is the Zowie EC2 and it’s less than $50 on many sites like newegg.

      • LiquidSpace
      • 9 years ago

      Roccat is not available in North America,only in Europe.

        • jcw122
        • 9 years ago

        Was just gonna say this…kinda disappointing.

        • Meadows
        • 9 years ago

        Yeah I noticed that not long after, and it’s a real shame considering their positive customer support attitude, the high standards with regards to product quality, and how much they’ve improved over the years.

        Their first entries into the gaming market were met by lukewarm responses, but they’ve released several “[+]” marked redesigned mice since, all the bugs and quirks disappeared, and they have some amazing mousepads as well to match. (I don’t buy gaming keyboards, and I love my Sennheisers too much to consider a boomy gamer’s headset, but they make those too in case that’s your thing.)

        It would be nice if you could order them shipped over the ocean, but hopefully they’ll simply expand their supply chain eventually and let the lesser people enjoy their products.

          • Ngazi
          • 9 years ago

          It seems they saw Zowie’s results and weren’t impressed. I should be able to check them out if I visit Asia.

    • BenBasson
    • 9 years ago

    I bought the MX Revolution a few months ago, and it’s wonderful. Before it, I had an MX1000, which was not quite as good.

    In both cases, there is an extra button in the thumb area (other than browse forward/back), for zooming. Zooming seems like it’s already covered in every application ever, so I now use this thumb button for middle click. It’s the only way I can see around using Logitech’s shitty wheel press. I’m not even sure if you can set the wheel to be pressable on the MX Revolution (MX1000 did support this though).

    I would encourage anyone to try this, I find it much nicer than pressing any wheel now.

    • potatochobit
    • 9 years ago

    I am using a Rat7 which is awesome
    but it is also temperamental and requires some flexibility

    I had a mx518 which i retired to laptop use as it continued to fall apart even after tape and stickers
    there are many good mouse choices if you want to spend over 50$ nowadays

      • sweatshopking
      • 9 years ago

      just buy a rat. they’re worth it.

      • dstrbd
      • 9 years ago

      RAT9 user here and so far so good. The scroll wheel is sturdy, smooth action, comfort adjustments abound and can be used as a club!

      I was using a Logitech G7 for the last 5 yrs and its still my favorite so far but I’m sure i’ll my hand will conform to the RAT. The G7 had a better battery switching method but I only need to change it twice a day.

    • HisDivineOrder
    • 9 years ago

    Should have bought a Razer mouse. Then you’d have superior comfort, reliability, and performance. If you buy shoddy hardware (logitech mice fail me within 6 months without fail, they often have these bizarre design flaws like the middle click you describe), you really can’t complain when it’s shoddy, right?

    At least their warranty service is good. I guess it needs to be.

    • mslowe7187
    • 9 years ago

    I’m a HUGE fan of the logitech G5/G500 mice with the adjustable weight. I’d never use anything else!

    • willyolio
    • 9 years ago

    I had a VX for a while, but i found the freewheeling didn’t really provide much more functionality over the middleclick + scroll.

    After using a RAT7 for a while, i have to say it’s a mighty impressive mouse, especially after you’ve settled on your favourite shape to configure it into.

    • NarwhaleAu
    • 9 years ago

    Have used my Razer Deathadder for about 3 years now – it is still going strong.

    • Forge
    • 9 years ago

    My venerable G5 soldiers on, no clicking issues or tracking troubles.

    It does have BF2142 art on it, though, belying it’s age.

      • mslowe7187
      • 9 years ago

      love my G5

      • brunascle
      • 9 years ago

      Hell yes. I love my G5. Great gaming mouse. Not the best web browsing mouse though if you middle click a lot. It tends to scroll when you’re trying to click.

      • dextrous
      • 9 years ago

      I still have my G5 in service too. It’s been a wonderful mouse. It will be a sad day when it goes to mouse heaven.

      • CheetoPet
      • 9 years ago

      My G5 refuses to die after many years of continual use. When I wear through the bottom pads I’ll prolly look into replacing it.

    • ap70
    • 9 years ago

    This mouse is TERRIBLE compared to the MX Revolution.
    I have this mouse at work and a Revolution at home and this model sucks big time.
    The zoom buttom is in a horrible place and have not the same functions as the Revolution.
    Bad, dont buy it.

    • Dygear
    • 9 years ago

    The best mouse I’ve ever owned is $9.99 and it’s Microsoft USB IntelliMouse with IntelliEye. It’s simple and does what it’s meant to do. Also the fact that it provides solid feedback when I do a middle click is a must for me, and the fact that I have a tactile feedback when I scroll the mouse wheel is also very important. I know to know what’s going, I like to feel it.

      • Ngazi
      • 9 years ago

      Where can I get one for $10.

    • thesmileman
    • 9 years ago

    The Logitech G500. Has been treating me just fine. It is a solid mouse with great design and I use the computer over 14-16 hours a day. It is wired but I really don’t want to try another wireless mouse as I have has so many bad ones, or short batteries, or slow response times, or <insert tons of other wireless problems here as I have had them all> even on the most expensive wireless ones. I also have huge hands and it is one of the better feeling ones for me even though I wish it was wider but I as I said I can’t expect them to match my giant hands (or can I?). I have tried tons and I can’t speak highly of this mouse or any of logitech’s other mice with the same general shape.

    • mieses
    • 9 years ago

    I’m happily clicking away on my 15 year old 3 button SGI/Logitech USB mouse.

    It looks like this:
    [url<]http://www.sgidepot.co.uk/sgidepot/pics/063-0009-001-latertype.jpg[/url<] When it dies, I'll probably look at a Steel Series Xai or Kinzu. They look solid, but one never knows. Does the design of any modern product survive the bean counting obsolescence planners?

      • burntham77
      • 9 years ago

      Now THAT is a real mouse. I want one.

      • Meadows
      • 9 years ago

      You don’t want a Kinzu, the sensor is faulty.

        • Ngazi
        • 9 years ago

        It’s no worse than what he’s used to.

      • d34thly
      • 9 years ago

      This guy knows the best kept secret: if it is comfortable for You and works flawlessly, don’t go looking anywhere else.

    • mxjcmxjc
    • 9 years ago

    The Logitech G700…Best Mouse I’ve ever used. You should look it up it has all the features you want and then some. I could list them here but that would spoil the surprise.

      • mieses
      • 9 years ago

      Is the plastic covered with a thin rubbery coating or varnish? I had a very expensive Microsoft Bluetooth mouse where the coating started to flake off after about 2 years. It looked like sh*t. I ended up taking it apart and stripping the coating off the whole mouse.

        • mxjcmxjc
        • 9 years ago

        No rubbery coating or varnish. It does have a Matte textured grip surface on both sides where you would rest your thumb , ring and pinky finger. It helps a lot during gaming sessions and if you have sweaty palms. I actually switched from a Microsoft Mouse to this one similar in design of the Bluetooth mouse that you mentioned.

    • bimmerlovere39
    • 9 years ago

    I love my G500, but I don’t middle click enough to comment on how useful that would be. I don’t think it would be an issue, but, well, I don’t use it, so I can’t really say.

    And now, we don’t all right click -> open in new tab. Ctrl+Click.
    I grew up with laptops that only had two buttons – ctrl+click is ingrained into my usage. Right hand on the mouse, left hand juggling Ctrl, Ctrl+W, and Ctrl+T. Works better for me than middle clicking, which I find to just be an awkwardly placed button.

    • Lollipop
    • 9 years ago

    I feel a little shafted my Logitech as well. My MX Revolution had the single->double click issue, so I got it RMA’ed. Logitech sent me a Performance MX, which is fine and all if I didn’t own a MX Rev in the first place. I miss the thumb wheel and the auto-engage free spin on the scroll wheel.
    It also produced electrical noise whenever you move it. Annoying.

    Unfortunately, my Performance MX developed the same issue (single->double click). RMA’ed, got my second Performance MX. >.>
    Not sure if I’ll buy from Logitech again.

    • Ngazi
    • 9 years ago

    Logitech mice can’t track well anyway. Zowie EC > Abyssus Deathadder > Xai.

    • End User
    • 9 years ago

    I’m happy with my Performance Mouse MX but I am seriously considering the R.A.T. 9.

    • not@home
    • 9 years ago

    This does not exactly answer your plea for suggestions but, the last time I had a mouse button go bad, I just opened it up and replaced the switch. Most mice that I have dissected use the same style switch. The difference in tactile feedback usually comes from how the mouse button presses on the switch and how much leverage it has. It probably took me 10 minutes to replace the switch. I have been using the same mouse for 9 years now. Of course I do not use a mouse as much as you.

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