Haters gonna hate

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    • tigen
    • 8 years ago

    I don’t understand the point of the comic. Is it implying that “haters”, who are into teen vampire shows, always find reasons to choose other products than Apple’s, which radiate rainbows and generate unbridled glee in young children?

    I don’t know. Kids these days are spoiled. That is a pretty expensive toy.

    • marvelous
    • 8 years ago

    Classic case of western politics. The guy with ipad has more money obviously. To him ipad is status. The guy with xoom has all the power he needs with android device at much cheaper price.

    It cost more lives and money and the guy with xoom knows this. Different emotional stands maybe.

    • crabjokeman
    • 8 years ago

    “Haters gonna hate.” = “I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I’m going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better.”

    • j1o2h3n4
    • 8 years ago

    I notice the resemblance, but i also notice the difference, “year”, TIMES CHANGED.

    • deathBOB
    • 8 years ago

    The comic is okay but this comment thread is priceless.

      • KoolAidMan
      • 8 years ago

      Yeah, the butthurt in here is [i<]hilarious[/i<]. More comics like this please, neckbeard tears are the best.

      • KoolAidMan
      • 8 years ago

      The vast majority of people posting in this thread reminded me of this: [url<]http://youtu.be/zb3QlTTS2vY?t=3m25s[/url<]

        • KoolAidMan
        • 8 years ago

        Haha, looks like someone was offended by what Tasteless had to say >:)

        Someone is a [i<]NEEERRRRRRRRRRRRD[/i<]

    • ptsant
    • 8 years ago

    Apple products are expensive, based on proprietary, closed standards and only offer UI and design. If you’re the kind of gay person that says “Oooh shiny” then go ahead. Otherwise it’s not a question of hate, it’s just simple logic.

    Btw, I don’t need a tablet or a smartphone. I have a powerful workstation that I made for much less, using exactly the components I want.

      • smilingcrow
      • 8 years ago

      Apple really needs to do something so that they can address the homophobic market more directly. Maybe a pink iMac would hit the spot?

        • mutarasector
        • 8 years ago

        According to a list of Apple’s colors (notated right after “Bondi-blue”) I once read somewhere that it’s being held up to coincide with a “Bowel-brown” iMac catering to that ‘spot’…

          • mutarasector
          • 8 years ago

          Heh. I guess someone didn’t get the joke…

      • End User
      • 8 years ago

      [quote<]Apple products are expensive, based on proprietary, closed standards[/quote<] Are you from 1984? [quote<]Apple products are expensive[/quote<] Apple is putting massive downward pricing pressure on the industry (tablets/ultrabooks). The majority of the stuff they sell is under $1000. Apple supports a wide range of industry technologies: Webkit PCIe SATA USB HDMI DVI VGA DisplayPort Mini DisplayPort OpenGL OpenCL Darwin IEEE 1394 Thunderbolt H.264 IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n SD Bluetooth TCP/IP Ethernet Grand Central Dispatch

        • clone
        • 8 years ago

        I disagree with the ” Apple putting downward pricing pressure on the industry” comment, the industry has been selling product for under $1000 for a decade and well before Apple became a heavy player in the market for the 2nd time and while Apple supports a wide range of industry tech what I can’t get is the tech on the less expensive Apple product that comes standard on the sub $1000 competition.

        p.s. if Apple didn’t support “a wide range of industry tech” it’d die a quick death and be forgotten as silly, Apple has no choice on the matter.

          • End User
          • 8 years ago

          You chose to ignore the fact that I highlighted tablets and ultrabooks.

    • WaltC
    • 8 years ago

    I’d like to know where the term “haters” in this context came from originally…;) It seems like such an idiotic word. It’s obviously an attempt to group people who simply dislike a product Apple makes, and can explain why, into a “politically incorrect” category. Every time I’ve seen the word used in this context, it always describes people who don’t care for Apple products as the “haters” who “hate” [Apple]…And yet, when it comes to people who lionize Apple to the heavens and criticize Microsoft and all-that-is-not-Apple viciously (and usually erroneously), such people are never themselves called “Haters who hate [Microsoft],” are they? Heh…;) Really, “haters” is such a pejorative term that it has no business in print, imo. I mean, if people think I’m going to suddenly jump on the Apple bandwagon simply because I live in fear of being called a “hater”—heh—there’s an absolutely zero chance of that! Indeed, if anything, the term does little except further inure me from the machinations of Jobs and pals because it is so incredibly childish.

    I also think that the term “haters” in this context was originally coined by people who like and use Apple products but who grew tired of trying to defend those products from criticisms they could not refute, and so out of some kind of gross inferiority complex the term “hater,” to describe people who don’t like Apple products and aren’t afraid to say so, was born. It seems to comfort the Apple faithful somehow to be able to lump all the people who make both legitimate and illegitimate criticisms of Apple products into the “hater” category, and I think that is why so many Apple devotees feel free to so carelessly bandy the term about as they do.

    The above cartoon would be fairly perceptive if it wasn’t fundamentally in error on one important point. In 2003 the topic was personal computers indeed, but contrary to the cartoon’s impression above, in 2011 the game is still very much about personal computers–not tablets/iPads. In 2011, the number of personal computers (laptops, desktops, servers, and netbooks) sold will be on the order of 320,000,000+ (including all of the Macs Apple can sell). All of the tablet markets combined, including the iPad 1/2 market, fall short of even just 10% of this number. And of course, personal computers have been selling on the order of hundreds of millions of machines [i<]each and every year since 2003[/i<], and the total number of personal computers in use in the world today is on the order of billions--compared to which all the tablets sold to date measure not even 1 per cent. The cartoon gives the impression that nobody is using personal computers anymore, and that everyone is using tablets, instead, and that instead of x86 Windows PCs or OS X Macs, everyone is running Android tablets or iOS iPads. Of course, that's not true. The world in 2011 is still purchasing personal computers over tablets of any description by at least a 10:1 margin. (Apple's Mac share of the worldwide personal computer market is still ~5%, but that's another story.) Personal computers in 2011, including Macs, are still much, much hotter than tablets, and the sales numbers completely support this state of the market. So...the whole "hater" thing to me is just another way for Apple devotees to look at the world through rose-colored glasses, and to stay bathed in the religious light of the RDF...;) If a person wants to believe that in 2011 tablets have usurped the personal computer markets, and that more people will buy tablets this year than will buy personal computers, including Macs, then I suppose he is entitled to his beliefs, as fringe and as erroneous as they may be. But calling someone a "hater" for simply pointing out that when it comes to the Apple RDF the Emperor has no clothes...a "hater"? That's fairly dirty name-calling, and it sure does absolutely nothing to enlighten anyone on the issues discussed, does it?

      • yogibbear
      • 8 years ago

      Kind of like the term “deniers”.

        • l33t-g4m3r
        • 8 years ago

        It’s an orwellian brainwashing term to describe free thinkers. If you don’t conform to their train of thought, they slap a label on you to make you feel bad, and hopefully shut you up. The democrats calling the tea party racist and/or terrorists is a fine example, albeit not the only one.

          • Anonymous Coward
          • 8 years ago

          Oh yes, all you poor [i<]victims[/i<], you conservatives.

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 8 years ago

            Yeah, the antithesis of freedom is so much better. (authoritarian socialism.) That constitution thing is an old outdated document, what do we need freedom and free markets for in this day and age. Never mind that we are living under circumstances similar to before the revolutionary war and that Jefferson said:
            [quote<]The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. [/quote<] The tea party isn't racist or terrorist, since there are plenty of black people supporting the tea party, and the libertarians wouldn't hurt a fly, but they probably are the only group of people sane enough to realize the gov. is out of control and needs to be fixed. Einstein defined insanity as, "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." So, how is more bailouts, wars, and spreading the wealth around going to fix things? They're not. That type of behavior got us into this mess, and only makes things worse. Socialism by it's very definition, forcibly robs the middle class to give the wealth to the banks, corporations, and gov, all while keeping a group dependent in case of an uprising. It collapses when there is no more money left to steal. As for slapping a label on a group of people, there are far worse examples in history, some resulting in mass murder, and some enslaving an entire race of people. That's how you know it's wrong. reply to coward without bumping: Dunno, maybe it just happens to be our current form of gov.? Obama is Octavian slowly dissolving the republic. Super Congress is illegal power usurpation, and just throwing the dictatorship in our face. We are under authoritarian socialism as we speak. The gov. forcibly steals the money right out of our paychecks to spread the weath around. That's authoritarian socialism, and it's not what the country was founded on. If you want to give to charity, you do it yourself or it isn't charity.

            • Anonymous Coward
            • 8 years ago

            Excellent, so lets not have authoritarian socialism, but what does that have to do with anything?

      • KoolAidMan
      • 8 years ago

      Another vintage WaltC post. I’ve never seen someone else, whether it is here, HardOCP, DT, or wherever, use so many words to say so little, let alone make points that are so stupid.

      Bravo, you’ve done it again.

        • l33t-g4m3r
        • 8 years ago

        If you think he didn’t say anything, then you’re illiterate. Ironically, you’re the one who’s said nothing here. Nothing but pointless personal attacks. WaltC here, has basically deconstructed the whole scenario, and pointed out why it is fundamentally wrong on every level. If you call that saying nothing, then you’re either mentally deficient, or a troll. Perhaps both.
        Crabjokeman has summed these type of posts quite accurately:
        [quote<]"Haters gonna hate." = "I have no logical rebuttal to your criticism so I'm going to say something simple and meaningless to make myself feel better."[/quote<]

          • KoolAidMan
          • 8 years ago

          The bulk of his post is strawman arguments made to justify personal opinion and bias, same as every other (insanely verbose) post he’s ever made. There is no deconstruction or real thought going on here.

          [quote<]The cartoon gives the impression that nobody is using personal computers anymore, and that everyone is using tablets[/quote<] I mean, [i<]really?[/i<] Of course, his post backs up whatever beliefs you have, so I understand why you are inclined to agree instead of actually using your brain. - Posted from my DIY Windows 7 PC

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 8 years ago

            You did it again!
            [quote<]The cartoon gives the impression that nobody is using personal computers anymore, and that everyone is using tablets[/quote<] You: [quote<]The bulk of his post is strawman arguments made to justify personal opinion and bias[/quote<] The closer: [quote<]- Posted from my DIY Windows 7 PC[/quote<] Do you not see the irony here? You are agreeing, yet at the same time disagreeing. Β―\_(>_<)_/Β― Both of your attacks against WaltC, apply to yourself.

            • Anonymous Coward
            • 8 years ago

            [quote<]Both of your attacks against WaltC, apply to yourself.[/quote<] As far as I can tell, more-or-less everything WaltC said applied to himself too.

            • KoolAidMan
            • 8 years ago

            Pretty much. I don’t expect reading comprehension from someone named l33t-g4m3r, but I’m still kind of amazed at how everything is flying over his head

            • l33t-g4m3r
            • 8 years ago

            HURR AD HOMINEM. Two can play this game: You sure drink a lot of Kool-aid for being the KoolAidMan. :-p
            /sarcasm. Really. You don’t have anything to say, other than attacking people for making a point. Where’s your points? If you want to debate someone, you need a counter argument. Personal attacks are not a counter argument. If you disagree with WaltC here, then come up with a legitimate counter-argument, not a bunch of name calling and logical fallacies.

            Edit for your next reply:
            Wow. A “u mad” statement. You’re pathetic.

            • KoolAidMan
            • 8 years ago

            Look who’s mad

            • KoolAidMan
            • 8 years ago

            [quote<]You are agreeing, yet at the same time disagreeing[/quote<] You are very very slow, young man

        • WaltC
        • 8 years ago

        [quote<]Another vintage WaltC post. I've never seen someone else, whether it is here, HardOCP, DT, or wherever, use so many words to say so little, let alone make points that are so stupid. Bravo, you've done it again.[/quote<] Heh...;) Well , my good man, allow me to simply state that you, with this delightfully bovine post, have exceeded me in every single category you mentioned...;) Bravo...;) (I'm sorry that you didn't understand what I said--I'll try and whittle it down to 2nd-grade level next time! On second thought...nah...posts like yours are too much fun to read!)

          • KoolAidMan
          • 8 years ago

          Nope, they’re really easy to understand, you just have a complete lack of brevity, wit, and critical thinking skills. That you take up so much space on most of the major hardware forums is incredibly annoying.

            • WaltC
            • 8 years ago

            Look, guy, what could possibly more ignorant and witless than the term “hater”? It boggles the mind that you apparently find this term entirely acceptable and understandable. How sad. It appears you have no “critical thinking skills” at all. Hint: next time you attempt to flame someone (not that I have any confidence that you will succeed any more than you succeeded with me), try and do more more than hurl insults. If you disagree with something someone says, try and [i<]explain why[/i<] you disagree. That's what I do, which probably explains why you can't understand my posts, apparently, and why you apparently also object to their length. Insults and name calling, as you've shown, can be accomplished with very few words, and that's because such practices are mindless. One can only hope you will grow out of such immaturity, eventually. Wanted to add: You really seem to be a classic example of a "shoot the messenger" personality...;)

            • KoolAidMan
            • 8 years ago

            Brevity is the soul of wit.

            tldr

      • spuppy
      • 8 years ago

      I was JUST going to come here to write a similar rant, but I believe I can be more concise. Just because you are CRITICAL of something, doesn’t mean you are a HATER. In the first panel, the character makes very good points. In the second panel, the same person who may have been CRITICAL of a poorly designed overpriced Apple product in the past may be perfectly content with buying an iPad or even a Mac Book.

      Apple makes SOME good products, and SOME crappy products. Just because you think some of them are good doesn’t make you a “FAN BOY” and just because you think some are crappy doesn’t make you a “HATER”

        • KoolAidMan
        • 8 years ago

        [quote<]In the second panel, the same person who may have been CRITICAL of a poorly designed overpriced Apple product in the past may be perfectly content with buying an iPad or even a Mac Book.[/quote<] Absolutely. That said, this comic isn't about people who make rational and objective purchasing decisions, they are about rabid anti-fanboys who choose to buy the inferior product simply because of the brand associated with it. You see it in hardware forums everywhere, people who buy tablet hardware that has the slower Tegra 2 SoC, is bulkier, heavier, has inferior LCD panels, has far fewer tablet targeted applications, and still costs as much as or more than an iPad, simply because it doesn't come from Apple and Apple is the devil. Are there people who buy good Apple products even though they generally buy other non-Apple ones? Absolutely, but there are many anti-fanboys on hardware forums who are as irrational and even louder than the actual Apple fanboys out there. I see them on hardware forums all the time, spinning hypothetical scenarios or irrelevant philosophical reasons as to why they chose the inferior platform. This comment page is a textbook example of it, with pretty much all of the same people making the same predictable arguments.

          • spuppy
          • 8 years ago

          [quote<]this comic isn't about people who make rational and objective purchasing decisions, they are about rabid anti-fanboys who choose to buy the inferior product simply because of the brand associated with it.[/quote<] True

      • mutarasector
      • 8 years ago

      Probably from Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato & Taylor Swift fans…

      Y’know, the folks that follow those culturally relevant & socially insightful tweets such as: “@mileycyrus: You know the world is skewed when murding children but we can’t get gay marriage legalized in the state of California”

      • End User
      • 8 years ago

      [quote<]The cartoon gives the impression that nobody is using personal computers anymore, and that everyone is using tablets, instead, and that instead of x86 Windows PCs or OS X Macs, everyone is running Android tablets or iOS iPads. Of course, that's not true. The world in 2011 is still purchasing personal computers over tablets of any description by at least a 10:1 margin.[/quote<] Wow. That hit a nerve. [quote<]If a person wants to believe that in 2011 tablets have usurped the personal computer markets[/quote<] News Flash: Tablets are personal computers. [quote<]Apple's Mac share of the worldwide personal computer market is still ~5%, but that's another story.[/quote<] Apple is second in worldwide personal computer shipments for Q2 2011 at 13.6% [url<]http://goo.gl/EYuUK[/url<] [quote<]Personal computers in 2011, including Macs, are still much, much hotter than tablets, and the sales numbers completely support this state of the market.[/quote<] Again, tablets are personal computers. In terms of personal computer growth/profit Apple has the hot category all to itself.

        • TakinYourPoints
        • 8 years ago

        Watch out with your logic, WaltC might waste everyone’s time again with another book

    • omegajvn1
    • 8 years ago

    At least androids open….and can have HDMI out without buying a $40 adapter…and has a micro sd slot to expand storage should you need more…and has the option to buy and additional keyboard dock…and on and on and on…

    Sorry iPad, I can’t justify buying you when you’re…well…just not worth my hard earned cash

    • Welch
    • 8 years ago

    Just have to make a note…. The person holding the iPad is a kid, fitting I thought. Thank you for bringing us this accurate comic πŸ™‚ And whats with the iPad shining rainbow colors off of it? Is it radiating all of the magical essence that they talked about when it first came out?

      • omegajvn1
      • 8 years ago

      Oh no, thats all the light leakage problems the iPads were having. LOL

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 8 years ago

      The rainbow graphics actually remind me of this:
      [url<]http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=women_smell[/url<]

    • TaBoVilla
    • 8 years ago

    I like your sense of humor fred !

    • ThorAxe
    • 8 years ago

    Well at least he got the age of the Apple user right. πŸ™‚

    • esterhasz
    • 8 years ago

    I have a PC, a MB, an Android phone, and an iPad. I can accept that different people buy different things for different reasons. I believe that the world is full of shades of gray with many of them inverting like a TN panel when you change perspectives. Diversity fanboyism, love of reason, no brand worship involved. Membership free! Ingroup egoboost is a bit weak though, and we’re a bit boring. Ah, compromises…

    • jstern
    • 8 years ago

    Looks like it was drawn by an Apple fanboy who only looks at the Apple vs PC arguments in a simpler, more black and white terms, and doesn’t capture the criticisms that people have against Apple. Just constructive criticism, but it also does a horrible job at expressing the agenda. It doesn’t show a clear reason as to why the guy in the black shirt would be jealous of the iPad kid, other than drawing his tablet extra thicker. Just (exaggerated) superficial things, which is more in line with the average Apple fanboy.

    • puppetworx
    • 8 years ago

    Why did you leave out the bit where the guy gets a sex change? You know before he starts watching Twilight and using touchscreen devices which fit nicely in a purse?

    • kc77
    • 8 years ago

    Even though I thoroughly enjoyed this (it’s great make more), in reality this cartoon is background radiation produced from the Apple Reality Distortion Field (it’s real it can be measured). I kind of look at it as the anti-matter of now. First it creates it’s own reality which stipulates that PC users hate Apple just as much as they hate PC products, which the sales of the iPod and iPhone disprove. Then it tries to sync their way of buying products with our own, which is completely different. Most of us buy what’s best for the particular form factor. They buy the logo…..big F*** difference. This is something the cartoon above misses. Only someone affected by the Apple Reality Distortion Field could miss the absurdity of comparing a device which weights 50 pounds or more with that of a device that weighs a pound or less and comes out eight years later in an entirely different form factor and purpose.

    Apple fanboys in particular have almost a drug addicted zeal about them which coerces them to buy the next Apple logo thing, even when it’s the crappiest example in that particular form factor (think Mac Book Air). If an Apple fanboy had the money, they would buy just about everything they produced. The only thing stopping them from selling their TVs to buy another Apple gadget is the fact that Apple products (read: widgets made out of methadone) are expensive. Therefore selling their TV’s would be futile as it wouldn’t even make a dent in what it would cost to buy whatever Jobs told them to buy and it surely wouldn’t be enough to help them buy their next fix….i mean “upgrade”.

    Even when we “PC users” tried to explain to them for years that the hardware that they had was the same as what could be found within their non-technical term called “the PC”. The most they could muster, but just like a drug addict was this soulless stare with a powdery substance made up of aluminum and plastic encrusted under their nose while warbling, “WTF are you talking about? No they don’t.” They then would shuffle away leaving us behind.

    Comparing “PC” users with that of Apple fanatics is like comparing an outpatient with that of someone who is tied down to a bed, forcibly given injections everyday, and a ward of the state. So i’m gonna hate…….outside of the asylum.

      • KoolAidMan
      • 8 years ago

      [quote<]Comparing "PC" users with that of Apple fanatics is like comparing an outpatient with that of someone who is tied down to a bed, forcibly given injections everyday, and a ward of the state. So i'm gonna hate.......outside of the asylum.[/quote<] You are incorrect, there are legions of people who do not buy Apple products simply because of who made them, even if they are very superior to other products out there. They [i<]define[/i<] themselves by that in the same way that rabid Apple fanboys do. "Anti-fanboys" I suppose you'd call them.

    • can-a-tuna
    • 8 years ago

    I’m a hater and I’m gonna hate. Don’t even try to stop me.

    On a sidenote: Actually Android is very closed OS. Even Symbian is more open. There was a study about that recently.

    • marvelous
    • 8 years ago

    Bush

    • colinstu
    • 8 years ago

    Almost wet myself from the laughter!

    Awesome job with this comic! So true

    • ShadowEyez
    • 8 years ago

    I like this one.

    The 2003 is totally me, minus the Buffy t-shirt (though I did like that show…). Macs were more expensive, less ‘open’ both in hardware and software, and slower. But they looked nice… ?

    The 2011 though – I still have PC’s, though I also have the iPad2. Not that I’m an apple fanboy, and I would prefer something more open, though when all is said and done, the iPad is a better solution for functionality (less flash) and usability.

    I’m still looking for the perfect tablet, but because an individual cannot realistically build a tablet (and for the most part install the OS, though that should change) we have to take what the manufactures give us and the criteria then becomes what works best overall and what is well supported, which is different from a platform like the PC where you can tweak it to your hearts delight. Once the market matures, we will get more ‘open’ choices and the “2013” version of this might look different.

      • barich
      • 8 years ago

      [quote<](less flash)[/quote<] Actually, no Flash.

        • torquer
        • 8 years ago

        Actually ShadowEyez is grammatically correct.

        For example, 3 less 2 equals 1. Less is a synonym for minus.

    • yogibbear
    • 8 years ago

    Apple and Twilight go hand in hand. Both are sparkly and appeal to people that can’t think for themselves.

      • l33t-g4m3r
      • 8 years ago

      lol, well put. That’s why the person holding the ipad is a kid.

    • srg86
    • 8 years ago

    Not funny at all, as apart from his silly t-shirts, I totally agree with the character. The 2003 imac is a useless sealed box (I like the relative openness of PC hardware) and i’d take the openness of android any day. As time goes on I more and more prefer the more open system.

    The guy who made the pic seems more the fanboy to me

      • mutarasector
      • 8 years ago

      [quote<]The guy who made the pic seems more the fanboy to me[/quote<] You sir, get a +1 from me to offset one of the -1 someone else gave you.

    • blitzy
    • 8 years ago

    I dont get your point, i have an ipad2 right here on my desk and its not that great. There are plenty of tabs that can do the same thing.

    the 2003 comment is completely true, the 2011 comment is only a matter of personal taste. Also most of the comments people made about the xoom were pre-ipad2 when the xoom specs were genuinely superior and people were expecting more from their tablet. And there was more pre-release hype over the xoom than after release from actual buyers.

      • dmjifn
      • 8 years ago

      +1 – you definitely don’t get his point

        • cynan
        • 8 years ago

        Care to enlighten us? I’m not sure I’ve quite yet got the comic myself (see my previous post). And judging by some of the comments here, I’m sure I’m not the only one.

        Regardless, keep ’em coming Fred!

    • Blazex
    • 8 years ago

    had that exact imac g4 model in the house since sept 03, it still works fine, just old and slow πŸ™‚

      • derFunkenstein
      • 8 years ago

      Those “sunflower” iMacs were pretty sweet. Back when I had a spare room that I’d turned into a museum of old computers, I had a graphite-colored iMac G3, a 17″ iMac G4, and a 20″ iMac G5, which was my main computer at the time. The G5 ran SUPER OMG HOT, but it was pretty quick for late-2005.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 8 years ago

    Pretty amusing comic. πŸ˜€

    Man, if I’m going to buy an Android tablet, I’m not going to pay the Xoom’s price tag. Those Archos G9 tablets are about as much as I’d ever think of spending, and at the same time I have no desire to actually buy a tablet in the first place.

    • WillBach
    • 8 years ago

    I’ve liked all of the comics so far but portraying Twilight fans as former Buffy fans is deeply and personally offensive, [i<]to us Buffy fans[/i<]. Are you trying to learn about human culture only by watching trending searches on Google, Fred? Edit: added italics. I suppose I should have made that clear, although it didn't occur to me that anyone would think I was a jilted Twilight fan. Bleh.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 8 years ago

      I take it you’re a Buffy fan?

        • WillBach
        • 8 years ago

        Yes I am, Funk. πŸ™‚

          • sweatshopking
          • 8 years ago

          that’s unfortunate.

      • indeego
      • 8 years ago

      THAT offends you? Do you sparkle in the sunlight, also?

      • yogibbear
      • 8 years ago

      +1 Buffy WAS awesome. Twilight IS terrible. If the 2011 guy had a Dexter t-shirt on then this would make sense.

        • Cyril
        • 8 years ago

        I think the point is that the character hasn’t aged well. πŸ˜‰

        • kamikaziechameleon
        • 8 years ago

        Those of us who grew up with buffy hate twilight. Actually those of us with discerning taste hate twilight.

        Buffy was awesome, I liked it more than firefly.

        • indeego
        • 8 years ago

        hmmm….

        Never watched Buffy

        Admittedly read the first two Twilights before I realized what a waste of my life it was (I’m slow, OK?).

        Couldn’t watch more than 1 Dexter. After having kids anything to do with murder/violence has a lot less appeal. (Strangely Video games don’t have any impact with regards to this?)

        • BobbinThreadbare
        • 8 years ago

        Or he wanted to go with the vampire theme, why not True Blood? Sure it’s kind of trashy, but no where near as bad as Twilight.

      • wagsbags
      • 8 years ago

      I also do not appreciate the connection being made between Twilight and BTVS fans. Blasphemer! Repent!

      • torquer
      • 8 years ago

      Methinks thou doth protest too much πŸ˜‰

      Seriously though, I applaud you being secure enough in your masculinity to admit being either a Buffy OR Twilight fan. The only good reason for a man to like either of those is if its a ploy to impress some girl with deeply repressed Vampire sexual fantasies. Or maybe not so repressed.

      • MidnightFrost1701
      • 8 years ago

      Completely agree. I’m baffled by the suggestion that being a Buffy fan back in the day was just a fad. Plenty of critics agree with the Whedonites that Buffy was genuinely an [i<]excellent[/i<] show (not that critics are the final word on the quality of a show, but the point is that it's not just tween girls who like it). I can't speak for the Twilight books, but I thought the movies were just dreadful (pretty, but dreadful). As for the rest of the comic, the point is well taken.

    • ludi
    • 8 years ago

    Random suggestion: For purposes of avoiding RIAA/MPAA-style copyright harassment, you might want to avoid displaying entire music, movie or TV show logos, especially in a (slightly) negative context. The Twilight logo is adequately screened, but the Buffy logo could be trimmed by having his left hand gesturing at the iMac.

    Just a thought

      • Anonymous Coward
      • 8 years ago

      Yay for lawyers.

      • Xenolith
      • 8 years ago

      When used in this context, they are legal.

        • designerfx
        • 8 years ago

        xeno is correct.

        • travbrad
        • 8 years ago

        Since when has that stopped lawyers?

        • ludi
        • 8 years ago

        Fair use and parody are affirmative defenses. “Legal” in this context means that if the copyright holder challenges your use, it will cost you a boatload of money to prove that you were right, assuming the court buys your arguments.

      • derFunkenstein
      • 8 years ago

      It’s cool, if you click on the comic to see the full-sized version, you can see it actually says “Buffy the Nipple Slayer”. (IOW, it’s not exactly high-res in the first place, and it’s still kinda hard to see what it says)

      • FuturePastNow
      • 8 years ago

      ludi, you’re a photographer, aren’t you? Then you (should) know that you’d be violating no copyright by taking a picture of someone wearing a Buffy or Twilight shirt. Just as this artist has done nothing remotely actionable. Stop spreading FUD about copyrights.

        • ludi
        • 8 years ago

        You are (expensively) misinformed. First, it was only a suggestion for future reference, and second, false actions that are too expensive to defend DO happen, because fair use and parody are affirmative defenses, not blanket protections. Yes, I’m a photographer. That’s one reason why I’ve bothered to actually research this stuff.

        As a real-world example of what I mean, there was a FoxTrot cartoon that made a parody use of Star Wars property (I believe it was “Fox Wars: Return of the Jasoni”) including parody modifications of the distinctive logos, and whatever it was that LucasFilm said to Andrews & McMeel, it definitely worked: that cartoon was scrubbed from at least the treasury collection, and possibly the dailies collection as well (haven’t checked, I only own the treasuries).

    • ChangWang
    • 8 years ago

    Apple makes neat stuff. It’s their experience that isn’t for me. I’m waaay too curious about what goes on under the hood to only put gas in and just drive.

    • Krogoth
    • 8 years ago

    Awesome

    Perfectly shows how “PC elitist” are no different than die-hard macoytles.

      • xtalentx
      • 8 years ago

      He has an Android tablet in 2011. You’re doing it wrong.

        • Krogoth
        • 8 years ago

        The irony and hypocrisy of the joke is lost on you.

          • xtalentx
          • 8 years ago

          huh, I guess so cause I don’t get it at all.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 8 years ago

            The same things that PC people complained about as weaknesses in the original iMac are now strengths for the iPad. The iPad is cheaper, just as powerful and has better games than the XOOM.

            So the only advantage that the XOOM has is its “openness”.

            This is mostly a dig on the XOOM, as the Transformer and Galaxy Tab 10.1 are decent competitors (I love my Transformer!). However the point is that anti-Apple trolls are running out of things to bitch about.

            • Beomagi
            • 8 years ago

            Having fun with my Nook color. Not a communication device, but fun for games πŸ™‚ The PC nerds that went for cheapness, didn’t by dell, they found alternatives. Xoom is no different.

            If I wanted to spend $400+, I’d get a laptop.

          • Meadows
          • 8 years ago

          It didn’t even [i<]have[/i<] any of those things.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 8 years ago

            The irony is that the features listing 2003 (speed, cost & game selection) are now Apple’s strengths in 2011. The hypocrisy is that anti-Apple trolls still find things wrong with Apple products (openness).

            But like I said in the above comment, when you toss the Transformer (<3 my Transformer) and GST10.1 into the mix, Android and iOS tablets are more or less at a parity. It’s just the XOOM that sucks.

            • BobbinThreadbare
            • 8 years ago

            Mac was a closed system in 2003 as well, it just had all the other problems that had to be dealt with first.

            Meh.

      • bjm
      • 8 years ago

      +1 to that, couldn’t have said it better myself.

      • kc77
      • 8 years ago

      Most “PC” people aren’t elitist though when it comes to Apple hardware. Case in point the iPod. Most “PC” people have one. I myself have one. Until I started streaming my music from home it (the iPod) was the only solution out there that had the storage space necessary to contain my music collection so I bought one. I couldn’t stand doing it, but I needed my music so I purchased it along with it’s horrible (and it’s still horrible to this day) music manager known as iTunes.

      Contrast this with the iPhone, how many Apple users have an Android phone instead of an IPhone? I’m wiling to bet that such an entity barely exists at all. Just like when I bought an iPod, there’s quite a few smartphones on the top end that match the iPhone spec for spec and in many ways exceed it (without having to hold them a certain way). Hell just the ability to add music, pictures, or whatever to the phone without using iTunes would be a good enough case to buy a high end Android phone over that of the iPhone. Yet how many Apple users bought one? Sure you might have some, but no where near the amount of “PC” users that have iPods.

        • Krogoth
        • 8 years ago

        I wasn’t trying to imply that most PC users are elitst, only a vocal minority like the caricature in the cartoon. πŸ˜‰

          • kc77
          • 8 years ago

          Yeah but I don’t think he’s being elitist. The iMac he’s looking at within that given form factor is slower and more expensive than most things that are around the same size and weight. A tablet is an entirely different form factor. It’s comparing apples with oranges.

            • ImSpartacus
            • 8 years ago

            If the elitism is iffy in the first panel, it’s rammed home in the second.

            The things that the iMac lacked (speed, cost & game selection) are now iPad strengths (compared to the XOOM). And yet, the guy still finds a tiny, insignificant thing to bitch about (openness).

            • kc77
            • 8 years ago

            [quote<] insignificant thing to bitch about (openness).[/quote<] Sorry but development on iOS is more expensive. i should know I've looked into both (decided on Android). Then you've got iTunes... the shittiest media manager ON EARTH. Openness matters if you just want to quickly copy pictures or whatever to your device and keep it moving. I don't want to "sync" i want to copy and run out the door.

      • Krogoth
      • 8 years ago

      I can’t believe people have overlook it. It isn’t that deep.

      The guy in Panel A was complaining why people like iMacs back in 2003 panel. In 2010 panel, he complains why nobody likes his own platform and claims that it is superior due to a single feature that hardly anyone cares about. That’s a classical macolyte move. The irony comes from the fact he is acting exactly like a macolyte in 2010. “But, but my product has feature X! That’s why it is better! The haters don’t understand it!”.

      The hypocrisy comes from the fact that is he no better than the die-hard macolytes.

      The punchline is that fanboys come in every shape in form. They all suffer their own form of a RDF. That don’t judge products on their own merits.

        • l33t-g4m3r
        • 8 years ago

        The catch is that this is an imaginary scenario based on lolipops and rainbows data. Most PC users don’t have a need for an ipad like device, so it doesn’t matter if is better than all the other “pads’. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king, so to speak. PC users still have both eyes. It’s not ever black and white anyway, so “openess” may be a necessary feature that appeals to the pc user base, since they don’t like apple’s control freak tendancies.

        Sure, you can ignore the issues, succumb to the rdf, and call the pc guy a fanboy, and I’d agree to some extent. Apple has a good product for once. The only problem is that the ipad is an unnecessary device, or an expensive toy. It’s trying to fit in between smartphones and laptops, and I don’t think there’s a long term market there.

        If pads were a necessary device, perhaps I’d agree with the comic, but they’re not. It’s a niche market that totally throws any stupid fanboy arguments right out the window. Most PC users couldn’t care less, not because of apple, but because of the product. The ones that do care might just buy an ipad. Whoop-de-do.

        TLDR: I get it, but the point is based on faulty reasoning.

          • EtherealN
          • 8 years ago

          Anal-retentive grammar nazi attack: It’s “couldn’t care less”, not “could care less”. Take a moment to think about the “could care less” expression – it literally states that there is a possibility for them to care less, which implicitly means that they actually care.

          Sorry for being anal, but it’s the only thing in how many (who are often even native english speakers (I’m not)) murder their language that can compete with that silly “would of” thing.

          The english language is wonderful, and I like it a lot better than my native language due to it’s versatility, please don’t slaughter it like that.

          Thanks. πŸ™‚

            • Cyril
            • 8 years ago

            Due to it is versatility? Huh?

            πŸ˜‰

            • Palek
            • 8 years ago

            A handy little educational tool exactly for times like this:
            [url<]http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling[/url<]

            • NeelyCam
            • 8 years ago

            I’ve always liked that one. +1

            • cynan
            • 8 years ago

            While you are, in the most literal sense, correct, this is actually a huge can of worms for some people.

            The issue has to do with the origin of the expression “could care less”

            The Oxford dictionary now recognizes “could care less” as a figure of speech, but it does so as an American colloquialism. Some argue that the popularity of “could care less” has arisen due to laziness as “could care less” rolls off the tongue a little easier than “couldn’t care less” if this is the true origin, then I would agree with you.

            However, others insist that “could care less” is a shortened form of an expression that was in common usage about 50 or 60 years ago, with added words for clarification, along the lines of “I suppose I could care less if I tried, but I don’t see how”. Now the expression makes more sense.

            There is actually quite the debate on some linguistics discussion boards as to whether or not “could care less” is merely a lazy bastardization of “couldn’t care less” or a truncation of or slang reference to a perfectly logical older expression.

          • KoolAidMan
          • 8 years ago

          [quote<]Most PC users don't have a need for an ipad like device, so it doesn't matter if is better than all the other "pads'. The only problem is that the ipad is an unnecessary device, or an expensive toy. It's trying to fit in between smartphones and laptops, and I don't think there's a long term market there.[/quote<] Completely and absolutely irrelevant, the comic is about someone who is [i<]actually buying a tablet[/i<], not the other things you are talking about. It is not your own tech purchases or your own amateur guesses as to where the tech market is going. It also happens to be a real scenario that is played out on hardware message boards over and over. Projecting your personal bias in order to dismiss this common scenario as either hypothetical or BS is ridiculous.

      • KoolAidMan
      • 8 years ago

      Yeah, it’s spot on, and it is hilarious how butthurt so many people here are over it.

      The comic is accurate, but it is obviously also trolling based on how rabidly anti-everything-Apple so many people on hardware sites are. It worked, apparently.

        • cynan
        • 8 years ago

        Except that I would argue that the comic is [i<]not[/i<] all that accurate. (Though it is highly entertaining - just look at the response it got!) To me, the comic implies that the same people who chose PCs over Macs circa 2003 (because they offered more bang for the buck, was the better gaming platform, etc) are the exact same people that would choose a Xoom (or equivalent) over an iPad 2. This, at least for me (and probably a lot of people on this site - including our editor-in-chief who seems smitten with his new iPad) is simply not the case. If I was in the market for a tablet, I would definitely be giving the iPad a good hard look. (And just as erroneous perhaps, is the supposition that the same people who watched Buffy are those who appreciate Twilight...) The fact of the matter is that I have little interest in tablets at the moment because I find them superfluous. I would find it difficult to lay out $500+ for a tablet I don't need. Just like in 2003 (and even today), I wouldn't feel compelled to spend an extra $500+ or more for a notebook just because it was shinier and all the cool kids had one. (Though today, and since Macs started using Intel chipsets, Macs as computers have become a much more desirable and competitive alternative and better than their PC counterparts in many aspects). And, as you point out, I'm now inclined to think that this was largely by design, and in essence, trolling more than anything else.

          • KoolAidMan
          • 8 years ago

          [quote<]To me, the comic implies that the same people who chose PCs over Macs circa 2003 (because they offered more bang for the buck, was the better gaming platform, etc) are the exact same people that would choose a Xoom (or equivalent) over an iPad 2. This, at least for me (and probably a lot of people on this site - including our editor-in-chief who seems smitten with his new iPad) is simply not the case. If I was in the market for a tablet, I would definitely be giving the iPad a good hard look.[/quote<] I completely agree. The comic is addressing the legions of anti-Apple fanboys who do not buy products based on their objective merits. Instead these people allow hatred of a brand to make them buy into a platform that has slower CPU/GPU, has an inferior screen, with few exceptions is bulkier/heavier, and has far fewer tablet optimized applications. You and many other people are objective enough to buy into the superior option, if you were in the market for a tablet. There are those though, especially on tech forums, who allow their fanboyism to buy the inferior option, so much so that they run around in circles trying to justify the purchase (ie - Android is more "open", etc etc). And yeah, the comic is definitely trolling. I'm cool with it though, the QQing here is way beyond what I would have expected.

    • cynan
    • 8 years ago

    Except that in 2003 (before Macs were using Intel processors), the only advantages Macs offered over PCs were esthetics and iOS (for those who preferred it). They were more expensive and offered less performance. This is why many PC savvy individuals scoffed at the Mac users to begin with.

    As far as tablets go today, however, the iPad 2 is actually probably a [i<]better value[/i<], all things considered, than currently competing Androids like the Xoom, and therefore, an arguably savvier choice. So, is this comic trying to imply that the anti-Mac crowd is more unreasonable today as Apple is offering more and more compelling products than in 2003 or, as the title indicates, simply that they'll just keep hating apple stuff no matter how "logical" or "rationale" it becomes to choose a Apple product over the competition (not that the average joe needing a tablet is all that rationale...)?

      • Deanjo
      • 8 years ago

      [quote<]the only advantages Macs offered over PCs were esthetics and iOS (for those who preferred it)[/quote<] Not quite, the software for multimedia content creation back then was still better on a Mac then it's PC's counterparts. Also it had OS X not iOS.

        • cynan
        • 8 years ago

        Woops on the iOS. Had the iPad stuck in my head.

        About the multimedia content creation. Perhaps the included Apple software was superior than anything included with a PC, and maybe it was more intuitive to use, but there was plenty of multimedia creation software on the PC (Adobe, etc).

        • A_Pickle
        • 8 years ago

        Yeah… no. I used a couple Macs in around 2003 to do some video work, and I was far more productive with my single-processor Dell Dimension 8300 (3.0 GHz P4 ‘Northwood’, 2 GB DDR-400, 250 GB SATA) and Adobe Premiere Elements than I was with the dual 1.25 GHz G4 PowerMac that I was using. Panther was garbage.

        Also, the reference that “multimedia content creation is better on Macs” probably hasn’t been true since the ’90’s. Adobe Photoshop has been alive and kicking on [i<]both[/i<] platforms for awhile now, and most Photoshop alternatives are also available on both platforms. I'd argue that while FinalCut Studio is probably the single best video editing package out there, it doesn't offer much over the full-on Adobe Creative Suite. But, the situation is reversed and then some when you take a look at the 3D animation/modeling software situation on the Mac -- there's Autodesk Maya, Blender, and Cinema4D. On the PC side of things, there’s Autodesk 3ds Max, Autodesk Maya, Blender, Cinema4D, and Newtek LightWave. The argument that one platform or another β€œis better at multimedia content creation” has been dead for years, considering that both can run software that can do all of the same things.

          • no51
          • 8 years ago

          But but but, I see all those hip new artists on the youtubes and all they use are garageband and macs!

          • mutarasector
          • 8 years ago

          I’d even argue the Mac wasn’t as good as the Amiga was for content creation/authoring. The Video Toaster, Lightwave, DPaint-III ‘tweening’ blew away anything the Mac had at the time. But then back in that era SGI systems and Targa systems were the cats arse.

            • destroy.all.monsters
            • 8 years ago

            I was hoping that I wouldn’t be the first to mention the Amiga, or SGI, here. +1

            • mutarasector
            • 8 years ago

            Yeah, what were Macs doing when Amiga rendering farms were being used on Robocop, Babylon 5, and Seaquest DSV? ;^)

    • vshade
    • 8 years ago

    Except no one is buying the xooms

      • mutarasector
      • 8 years ago

      But the Xooms aren’t THE android tablet to consider as a competitor – the Asus Transformer is.

    • ClickClick5
    • 8 years ago

    I like the kid’s face and the rainbow color coming from the screen.
    The shirt names rock too.

    Good job sir!

    • anotherengineer
    • 8 years ago

    lolz

    I am no apple fan, but I would love one of these on my PC desk πŸ˜€

    [url<]http://dossilfuels.com/wp-content/uploads/steve-jobs-doll-figure.jpg[/url<]

    • Vrock
    • 8 years ago

    He had a point in 2003. Not to say there aren’t Apple fanboys who are crazy today, though.

    • eitje
    • 8 years ago

    Like.

    • TheEmrys
    • 8 years ago

    Moderately hilarious. Except for the Twilight Shirt. That’s just….. disturbing for someone with slightly graying of hair.

      • axeman
      • 8 years ago

      Nah, I’m sure that’s a pretty accurate depiction of someone who would buy a Xoom. πŸ˜‰

        • RAMBO
        • 8 years ago

        Both of you guys, awesome.

    • Arclight
    • 8 years ago

    Oh HAAAALLL NO!

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