Snakes and ladders

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    • l33t-g4m3r
    • 8 years ago

    First time I saw this I chuckled. Then I bought the game. This picture is actually too mild in describing how bad the DRM is. First, I just started playing the game never noticing any GFWL prompts. That naivetΓ© ended after the game deleted my save after 50% completion. Then I went through all kinds of hell finding out why GFWL wasn’t loading, and I finally found out that I had to go to the WEBSITE to agree to a new EULA so that my account would log in, otherwise it was just throwing me out without any prompts. Second, I had to activate my DLC on the website because I couldn’t find options for it in GFWM or GFWL. Third, I had to figure out why GFWL wasn’t recognizing my DLC after being installed, which was that it was using an offline profile without notifying me. Fourth, nothing worked until the patch was released, which then told me I was using an offline profile, and that GFWL couldn’t detect being online. Fifth, GFWL finally connected online after messing with logging in and out, but still did not recognize my DLC. Sixth, after restarting the game again, logging in again, Batman finally detected DLC. Total PITA.

    Oh, and tying a retail key to an online account violates the first sale doctrine. So, overall I’d say the people responsible for this mess deserve to be slapped with a lawsuit.

    • DarkUltra
    • 8 years ago

    This and the DX11 bug: buy the game on sale in a few weeks.

    • andebad
    • 8 years ago

    did the same thing got a ps3 tho since it has better first party games.

      • clone
      • 8 years ago

      PS3 doesn’t have Halo….. no PS3, Xbox 360 doesn’t have Blu-ray no Xbox 360.

      had an Xbox but the 2nd generation suffered horribly, Wii was for infants, Xbox 360’s died en masse, PS3’s were late, pricy then failed almost as often, had an exceptionally poor list of titles in the beginning and had limited compatibility…. literally the best of times and worst of times for console gamers.

      I’m sure all of the next generation will be the best ever released although I’m not sure Nintendo will stay in the game let alone manage to distinguish itself, the infant category has only so much traction.

    • bitcat70
    • 8 years ago

    GFWL?? GFWL??? What’s that? If I get games from Steam do I need it?

    • lilbuddhaman
    • 8 years ago

    1. Prepurchase game on amazon or steam
    2. Download game 3 days early on torrent
    3. Download mod that allows me to actually rebind keys
    4. Research which radeonpro profile I need to use for game to actually work
    5. By release day I’m actually able to play !

    • Dizik
    • 8 years ago

    Looks like somebody from Reddit is stealing the thunder from you guys: [url<]http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/mx1ya/they_never_learn_do_they/[/url<] =Edit= [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/mx1ya/they_never_learn_do_they/c34mbdb<]My contribution to the thread[/url<].

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 8 years ago

    Am I the only one who laughed at this then got really pissed that this is a reality?

      • Kamisaki
      • 8 years ago

      No, the really sad part is there’s absolutely no exaggeration here. The reality is already bad enough.

    • TaBoVilla
    • 8 years ago

    best one yet, great job fred! =D lol

    • Bensam123
    • 8 years ago

    lol… a collage is worth 1000 words? >>

    • Exo
    • 8 years ago

    Next time if a game have so much DRM, I will download it. I buy all my games but this is sooooo much frustating to have to create stupid account on Microsoft (censored) programs and log in each time…

    • dmjifn
    • 8 years ago

    I agree, well done. In fact, this is Penny Arcade-worthy, IMO.
    I’d also like to chime in and say that I made that decision you’re illustrating and I haven’t regretted it.

    • PixelArmy
    • 8 years ago

    FYI, both Batman: AA and AC come with less restrictive DRM if you just get the disc. Then there’s no securom online activation w/ activation limits plus no Steam or Origin DRM, just securom for a disc check. Still have to deal with GFWL either way (I’ve never had an issue with it). Then again some people don’t like discs and/or have to have all their games in Steam…

    • l33t-g4m3r
    • 8 years ago

    Reminds me of the classics:
    [url<]http://consumerist.com/2007/08/bioshock-comes-with-nasty-drm-that-sets-off-anti-virus-software-ruins-everyones-day.html[/url<]

    • Kougar
    • 8 years ago

    Sigh. Wish I’d seen this before I bought Arkham Asylum a few days ago… swore I’d never buy another Windows Live game ever again.

    • ModernPrimitive
    • 8 years ago

    This may be the best bittersweet comic ever….

    It’s actually part of the reason I sold my gaming rig a year ago. I got tired of having to keep up with logins after downloading crap for a disc I just paid 59 bucks for. Granted I’m a very casual gamer and it would often be a month before I needed back into my Steam account etc but….. does it really have to be like that only to get a crap console port? If an Xbox ran games at 1080p I would consider one……

    • squeeb
    • 8 years ago

    lol

    • JMccovery
    • 8 years ago

    I remember this happening to me a while ago with SSF4 AE: GFWL 3.5 update that wouldn’t update, and wouldn’t let me log back into GFWL until i updated to 3.5…

    There is only one thing I have to say about GFWL:

    F You MS!!!

    EDIT: I forgot to add Microsoft’s “solution”: Download and manually install the 3.5 update yourself, which DID NOT WORK.

    • JLW777
    • 8 years ago

    Passed on BF3 cuz watching my cousin struggle with Origin, thought Batman AC on steam will be hassle free… But now with this Live crap… Cba stressing and time wasting over this.. Gonna Console this one.

      • travbrad
      • 8 years ago

      Yeah as bad as Origin is, at least it’s not GFWL :p

    • Yeats
    • 8 years ago

    Really good, Fred! The only thing that would have made it better is to replace the last panel with one showing a PS3 – why “reward” M$ with another $300?

    Still, well done!

    • wiak
    • 8 years ago

    you forgot logging in to steam πŸ˜›

      • derFunkenstein
      • 8 years ago

      I just have steam start up with Windows…am I doing it wrong?

        • yogibbear
        • 8 years ago

        No matter how many times I force admin rights on steam it always fails to load at startup in vista x64 when logging in as admin… it used to work but a windows update killed it… πŸ™

          • Waco
          • 8 years ago

          Don’t log in as Admin. :/

          • derFunkenstein
          • 8 years ago

          Vista x64 won’t let apps that require admin to load on startup.

        • Kamisaki
        • 8 years ago

        No, you’re not doing it wrong, just depends on whether you want it always running and whether you want it to show you as logged in to your friends any time the computer is on. I prefer to only start it when I actually want to play some games. Doesn’t take long to log in anyway.

          • derFunkenstein
          • 8 years ago

          I have it to show me as “offline” in Steam chat when it loads so I only sign in when I’m looking for a chat.

    • yogibbear
    • 8 years ago

    I’d much rather jump through hoops than pay for ANOTHER subscription just to play some multiplayer with analogue sticks and auto aim.

    • d0g_p00p
    • 8 years ago

    ok this comic is awesome and so true for anyone who plays pc games. Well done Fred, well done!

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 8 years ago

    So that is why arkham city was delayed… Had the same issue with the last game. DRM is for companies that prefer piracy and not legit sales.

    • yogibbear
    • 8 years ago

    EDIT: double post.

    • yogibbear
    • 8 years ago

    Even if you get the game working (which I did and I finished it in 20 hrs of glorious amazing gameplay), you are still punished with limited activations, limited reinstalls on the same PC, inability to transfer save games from one PC to the other without pulling out your teeth and sticking your balls in a blender while facing true magnetic north and throwing salt over your shoulder.

    So yes indeed, I am a legitimate customer, but my version sucks. πŸ™

    • Arclight
    • 8 years ago

    Captain! I detect large quantities of epic irony in this installment of the Comic Corner.

    • Palek
    • 8 years ago

    You left out the steps where GFWL repeatedly fails to update itself, so you have to manually update it via Windows Update. I wish I was kidding.

      • kamikaziechameleon
      • 8 years ago

      yeah GFWL is a total fail. I’ve had it just not update a game over several hours for no real reason. If you think an xbox will fix your problems you are a silly man. I have both systems and the xbox has about half as many screens as you see above but asks you for an extra $ contribution if you want the mp to the 60 dollar title you just bought or the day one DLC that is on your disk. Don’t worry no DLC doesn’t transfer with your account so you can repurchase it when your xbox HDD starts on fire.

      • willmore
      • 8 years ago

      They also left out where, after the GFWL upate, your set top box doesn’t work because the GFWL update broke network shares and you spend weeks trying to figure that out.

    • Mystic-G
    • 8 years ago

    Let’s not forget….

    [url<]http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6879/batman2010090801173484.jpg[/url<] Thank you GFWL.

    • spuppy
    • 8 years ago

    Fixed:

    [url<]http://i.imgur.com/DZpLM.jpg[/url<]

      • entropy13
      • 8 years ago

      lol

      • Spurenleser
      • 8 years ago

      On point!

      • kamikaziechameleon
      • 8 years ago

      the reality of what DRM does for games makes legit purchasers pirate it.

        • no51
        • 8 years ago

        It makes me not buy nor play it. That way they don’t have a scapegoat.

          • kamikaziechameleon
          • 8 years ago

          I don’t pirate, never have. I just buy the game and get angry. once in a while I protest but most of the times I can’t resist the game. I do understand the sentiment though you don’t like the publisher getting in there between you and the developer with their shenanigans etc. Its not the developer who messed up the game just the publisher in most cases. Honestly I don’t see how classic intellectual rights law and copyright law and patent law can continue to exist in the modern age. I see products being replaced by services and if the “service” of DRM is supposed to be used to justify the purchase of a product like arkham then I think we have a long way to go before publishers realize what kind of service their consumers really want.

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 8 years ago

          They always have a scapegoat. Whatever it is that you do has no effect on what they will do or their public rationale for doing so.

          DRM has always been more about control and less about fighting piracy. If they can get you to accept a ridiculously intrusive system that gives them all the rights and you none that’s a total win for publishers. Can you sell your Steam account? No. Can you sell your digital downloads in any form? No. Say good bye to the first sale doctrine.

          They are the harbingers of their own doom. Screw them.

        • Waco
        • 8 years ago

        Can it really be called pirating if all they’re doing is getting the damn game to work?

        I know I’ve downloaded numerous games I’ve paid for just to get past the stupid DRM issues.

          • l33t-g4m3r
          • 8 years ago

          It can, and is, regardless of how deceptive it is to do so. Game cracks are a little different.

      • supercomp
      • 8 years ago

      100% true.. they are killing themselves with this shi*t.

      • Kamisaki
      • 8 years ago

      Does the pirate version get rid of the GFWL activation for this game? That would be brilliant (once I buy it, of course).

        • destroy.all.monsters
        • 8 years ago

        I think it’s a fair question to ask if one should be rewarding companies like this by purchasing.

        They choose to reward pirates – then just pirate it.

      • DarkUltra
      • 8 years ago

      Please don’t promote piracy! Instead edit the image with a bargain bin deal.

        • BobbinThreadbare
        • 8 years ago

        The point was he did buy it then downloaded a copy without the problems.

        It’s not piracy when you download something you own.

    • Krogoth
    • 8 years ago

    Major publishers are wondering why casual gamers opting for piracy…..

    • indeego
    • 8 years ago

    So you reward Microsoft for your frustrations by giving them $300 more?

      • DeadOfKnight
      • 8 years ago

      Exactly what I was thinking.

        • ClickClick5
        • 8 years ago

        He is playing off of people’s stupidity.

      • JohnC
      • 8 years ago

      Well, this IS the reason why MS created GFWL… Fred just expressed it through pictures πŸ™‚

    • Jive
    • 8 years ago

    Nicely done, i feel the same way about EA’s BF3 and Origin…purchased it from Amazon and had to go through so many hoops to get it working.

    • cfroese
    • 8 years ago

    Oh ya! I can relate to this. Similar annoying story with F1 2010. By the time everything was actually running Steam thought I had played for over 30 minutes.

    • kroker
    • 8 years ago

    This is what happened to me after I installed Batman: Arkham Asylum. Except that I had Windows XP SP 2 (had some problems when I tried to install SP3 the first time and gave up), and GFWL required SP 3, and this took me a day to figure out because it didn’t say that it needs SP3, it just said that there is a network connection error. So first day, I played the game halfway trough without being able to save. Very frustrating…

    Edit: I meant to say Arkham Asylum, not Arkham City.

      • Dashak
      • 8 years ago

      I still haven’t played Arkham Asylum because saving requires GFWL.

      • d0g_p00p
      • 8 years ago

      might not have that issue if you had a modern OS and not used a 10 year old unpatched OS. Go ahead and thumb me down but its true.

        • Scrotos
        • 8 years ago

        Yeah, him using WinXP SP2 is the reason that GFWL, a Microsoft product, couldn’t properly query the version of the OS, also a Microsoft product, and return a meaningful error message with the resolution (i.e. “this won’t work until you update your OS, please do that and then retry this patch.”) Yup, makes sense to me. Curse you, WinXP SP2, you caused Microsoft to sloppily code GFWL and give many consumers ulcers trying to deal with the shortcomings!

        • kroker
        • 8 years ago

        I’m not thumbing you down, but you’re missing the point. I also might not have had that issue if that POS software wasn’t required to save my progress in a [i<]single player only game[/i<]... Fine, don't let me view the leaderboard scores or track my achievements, but not being able to save the game? Why? In my case, I basically needed SP3 just to be able save my progress in the game I payed good money for. The game worked fine otherwise. I never had any problems with Steam on SP2, or any other game that didn't use GFWL.

          • destroy.all.monsters
          • 8 years ago

          This whole thread and comic should be titled “Companies that earned their piracy”.

    • GasBandit
    • 8 years ago

    change the last frame to a bittorrent client and it’s spot on!

    • Noigel
    • 8 years ago

    Bravo! πŸ˜‰

    Had this happen with Dead Rising 2 but with additional slides:

    1) Buying and downloading with Steam,
    2) GFWL failing to install right from the Steam version, had to exit game, find GFWL site, download and install it,
    3) Finally getting in-game then jumping right back out… realizing Capcom doesn’t know what a keyboard is,
    4) Driving to Walmart to buy a wired XBox 360 controller,
    5) Installing it,
    6) Great Success.

    • TurtlePerson2
    • 8 years ago

    Wait…

    People are still doing GFWL? I thought that they died out a while ago.

    • dashbarron
    • 8 years ago

    I loled and a few people looked at me. I just went through this process, thank you for the humor Fred.

    On a side note, anyone else waiting impatiently for the DX11 patch? I hate to play it on DX9 and my computer doesn’t have enough umph to push through whatever bugs and glitches there are.

    Scott, if you read this, are you playing with DX9?

      • Damage
      • 8 years ago

      Playing with DX9, yep. DX11 is broken.

    • Spotpuff
    • 8 years ago

    Went through this last week, although I already have GFWL so it wasn’t that bad. When I did install Bioshock 2, the GFWL thing broke and I couldn’t play for 2 weeks (it would hang on “downloading profile”).

    On top of that, DX11 in this game is broken. So good work Rocksteady! Add in some DLC on launch for the coup de grace.

    The Splash screens are also annoying; you can disable them but seriously why do I want to watch this every time? The game also takes a very long time to launch. Batman AA would launch really quickly; this one waits like 30s for something before it goes.

      • cynan
      • 8 years ago

      I did this about a year ago when I got Bioshock 2 on Steam. Played for a number of hours, then realized I hadn’t been logged into GFWL correctly and couldn’t save.

      Haven’t bothered to start Bioshock 2 over since…

        • kamikaziechameleon
        • 8 years ago

        The question any company has to ask themselves is how do you upset your consumer so much that they go numb and stupidly appreciate you ripping them off… or maybe that is just a Microsoft goal. Apple is a good understudy in this tradition, sony has reformed quite a bit nintendo has kinda fallen back into this old habbit of late.

    • ludi
    • 8 years ago

    Perfectly timed and executed, right down to the Last Panel Twist.

    100% Internet Win!

    • EV42TMAN
    • 8 years ago

    the comic is true but also since you know there will be update(s) you could download the newest GFW redistributable and install it before you install the game… just a thought

      • Chrispy_
      • 8 years ago

      Get out.
      (unless you’re using a compbination of sarcastic irony so subtle that even I can’t tell….)

    • dpaus
    • 8 years ago

    I’m sure I’ve [url=http://i.imgur.com/v81QC.jpg<]seen this before[/url<] but it's still funny in a sad, sad way.... EDIT: damned if I can figure out what I've done wrong above.... EDIT of EDIT: fix-ed

      • Forge
      • 8 years ago

      Something is wrong there. I wonder if [url] and [img] are not implemented in Metal.

        • dpaus
        • 8 years ago

        [url] worked fine earlier this morning in my comment in the Shortbread about HP. I can’t see anything wrong with the format above, and I tried fiddling with it a couple of times (obviously without success)

        One Internet AttaBoy hereby offered to whoever finds the problem.

          • Cyril
          • 8 years ago

          I’m guessing the parser doesn’t like the umlaut on that “a” in the domain name.

            • NeelyCam
            • 8 years ago

            Damn finns should be banned.

            • dpaus
            • 8 years ago

            Many of them have Swedish cousins.

            Some of them have [i<]twin[/i<] Swedish cousins. Low probability, but potentially huge pay-off. Total ban contra-indicated.

          • Dashak
          • 8 years ago

          The [b<]Γ€[/b<] broke it. [url=http://i.imgur.com/v81QC.jpg<]Mirrored[/url<] at imgur.

            • dpaus
            • 8 years ago

            Attaboy, Dashak! OK, technically Cyril posted 38 seconds before you did, but he waffled on the cause and you not only bravely proclaimed it, you used the 38 seconds to find the mirror. Well done!

            • eitje
            • 8 years ago

            i downvoted you because everyone knows the internet is a race; accuracy & quality does not matter.

    • Chrispy_
    • 8 years ago

    Fred, you’re SPOT ON this time.

    Your depiction of a scenario that is [b<][i<]already ridiculous enough[/i<][/b<] is only what happens on a [i<]good[/i<] day, when both Steam and GFWL work as intended.

    • Dposcorp
    • 8 years ago

    Agreed…very funny………Fred kicked azz with this one. Well done indeed. (golf clap)

    • Dposcorp
    • 8 years ago

    Agreed…very funny………Fred kicked azz with this one. Well done indeed. (golf clap)

    • derFunkenstein
    • 8 years ago

    OK, this time out Fred hits a home run. The first time you install a GFWL game is this kind of mess. Once you get it up and running it’s unobtrusive, but it’s kinda silly to be bundling an old GFWL client with a brand new game.

      • Duck
      • 8 years ago

      No it’s gross crap that infects your PC and runs background processes that waste resources.

        • derFunkenstein
        • 8 years ago

        O_o

          • JustAnEngineer
          • 8 years ago

          Resources are cheap.

            • Scrotos
            • 8 years ago

            So’s your mom!

            (sorry, couldn’t resist, too easy!) πŸ˜€

            • atryus28
            • 8 years ago

            Your mom jokes…. eternally funny. The more upset people get about them the funnier they are.

            • clone
            • 8 years ago

            does anyone get upset about them anymore?

            still funny but nobody is getting mad anymore unless they want the joke to be funnier so they play along.

            • derFunkenstein
            • 8 years ago

            to me they’re just eternally lazy. It’s clear to me that while he chose not to, Scrotum could do better.

            • Scrotos
            • 8 years ago

            That’s a minus 50 DKP for not picking up on the “too easy” bit and turning that into another “so’s your mom” comeback!

    • WillBach
    • 8 years ago

    This is a good one, Fred.

    • Compton
    • 8 years ago

    This brings back bad memories of trying to play Rockstar’s games that use GFWL.

    Now, if I see that a game uses it, I won’t buy that game. Thank God Skyrim doesn’t, or I’d be screwed.

    At first, I thought “GFWL will tie into my XBOX account? That’s fantastic!”

    Then I actually tried to use it.

      • travbrad
      • 8 years ago

      Microsoft is really good at making products that don’t work together AT ALL, it’s kind of their specialty.

      • Xaser04
      • 8 years ago

      Ah Skyrim doesn’t use it, excellent.

      • kamikaziechameleon
      • 8 years ago

      yeah, there was a time when GFWL meant that microsoft was returning to pc(their native platform)… that was the time between the initial announcement and the launch of it, lol.

      Kinda like apple and reality, nintendo and online, microsoft and their windows users.

    • 5150
    • 8 years ago

    This is a good one! I’m actually giving up on computer gaming for this exact reason. Have an Xbox coming shortly.

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