You can snag a 39” 4K display for $404

The other day, my friend and fellow PC enthusiast Andy Brown pinged me and told me I needed to come over to his house to see his new toy: a 39" 4K display that he ordered from Amazon for 500 bucks. Coming from anybody else, I’d have been deeply skeptical of this purchase, but Andy is actually the co-founder of TR and has impeccable taste in such matters.

The product he purchased is this Seiki Digital 39" 4K 120Hz LED television. I started asking him more questions and looking into it. The more I learned, the more intrigued I became. Soon, I was at Andy’s place peering into this large and glorious panel. He had the thing placed directly in front of his old 2560×1600 30" HP monitor, and I can’t say I blame him. After all, you can almost get four copies of TR, or any other standard web-width site, side by side on the thing.

Yeah, this beast has more real estate than Ted Turner. And it has dropped in price to $404 at Amazon as I write. With free Prime shipping. And it’s still in stock.

Sounds too good to be true, right?

Not really. This thing is just a killer deal, available to anyone. But there are a few caveats.

First, there’s the matter of refresh rates. This display has a single HDMI input that can support the panel’s native resolution of 3840×2160 at a refresh rate of 30Hz. That’s a fast enough update rate for desktop and productivity work, but 30Hz is not good for gaming, even with vsync disabled.

Your fall-back option is to drop down to 1920×1080 while gaming, where this thing supports a nice, fast 120Hz refresh rate. That’s a compromise on resolution, yes, but this puppy is probably faster than your current display, since 60Hz is the usual standard. Also, 1080p is a nice resolution for gaming because it doesn’t require heaps and heaps of GPU horsepower in order to maintain acceptable performance.

And did I mention the price?

The other matter of some importance is the image quality of the display. I believe it’s an S-MVA-type panel, which should make it superior to a TN panel and faster than an IPS one. Standing in front of it, that seems about right. There’s less color shift than on most TN panels, and there’s a heckuva lot of pop to the deep reds and oranges that often seem muted on TN panels.

This is a TV, though, so color correctness is an issue. You may want to buy or borrow a calibrator for it. Andy didn’t yet have his display calibrated properly in Windows. The blues in the TR header were alarmingly neon and bright, to the point of being annoying. He’d had more luck with calibration on his Hackintosh, though. When he switched over there, the blues were somewhat tamed, though still brighter and more saturated than I would have liked. He’d put some work in dialing down the backlight intensity in one of the config menus on the TV in order to reach non-retina-searing brightness levels appropriate for a computer monitor.

But did I mention the price?

The simple fact is that you can have a massive array of pixels a couple of feet from your face for about $400. Stretched across a 39" panel, the pixel density is obviously higher than on my own 30" 2560×1600 monitor, but it’s not so incredibly high that text becomes completely unreadable. If you do need to bump up the font size, the PPI shouldn’t be so out-of-bounds high that the default Windows scaling options are overwhelmed. (I’d still recommend Windows 8.1 for a better experience. Or Mac OS X for the best.)

And there are so, so many pixels.

I know there are a lot of display innovations on tap for this year, including dynamic refresh schemes like G-Sync and 4K TN panels for around $700. This one comes at you from a different angle, and it’s not something I expected, to say the least. But if you’re willing to front a fraction of the cost of most 4K monitors, you can have the same pixel count today at a crazy discount.

For what it’s worth, Newegg has them in for $599, in case Amazon sells out of its stock at $404. There’s also a 50" version for $607 and a 65-incher for two grand.

Comments closed
    • epugh
    • 8 years ago

    I just tried out those search settings, and there were CRITICAL to being able to use the monitor. I never would have guessed to turn the sharpness to 0, would be the right thing to do. I was rather underwhelmed, but now much happier.

    I also think, because it is so big, that it is great as a standing desk monitor where you look down versus at a desk where you look up.

    • game0068
    • 8 years ago

    Hi there,

    I noticed you mentioned you game @ 1440p @ 60hz.

    I have a few questions

    a) you running the 39″ model?
    b) which firmware? the 39″ or 50″?
    c) how do you find the 1440p resolution? I’ve seen some pics and the 1440p scaling was horrible, pretty much worse than 1080p, but it was on a 39″ panel with 39″ firmware

    Thanks,

    Mike

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 8 years ago

    So I mean to ask, what connections are these things using these days??? I mean there are apparently consumer products on the market that claim 240mhz with 4K resolution, that is insanely awesome. Are they are new HDMI standard??? or do they use display port? How the heck can we push 4K resolutions at 240mhz???

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 8 years ago

    A display like this with 120 mhz and New Display port!!!

    • tjoynt
    • 8 years ago

    Well said! I logged in just to upvote you.

    I actually miss that radioactive-green text. I’ve tried in vain to find a terminal program that gets the green right, but to no avail. 🙁

    • Smeghead
    • 8 years ago

    I know I’m late to the party, but this is for those that haven’t stumbled across our humpbacked friends at camelcamelcamel; they really do take the guesswork out of Amazon’s pricing:

    [url<]http://camelcamelcamel.com/Seiki-Digital-SE39UY04-39-Inch-Ultra/product/B00DOPGO2G[/url<]

    • arpstorm
    • 8 years ago

    Based on this article I was unable to resist and purchased this TV at Amazon for $404 and it arrived two days later. The colors are excellent and the internal speakers are acceptable for casual music listening. The HDMI 3 port is easiest to connect to as it’s on the side of the monitor.

    The SE39UY04 worked perfectly over HDMI with my 2012 MacBook Pro Retina running Mavericks at the highest resolution 3840×2160@30Hz. There seems no way to run this at 1920P@120Hz that I could find.

    Under Ubuntu Linux over HDMI with an nVidia GTX 780 it requires a simple file be created [see post #3 at [url<]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2164924[/url<]], after which 3840x2160@30Hz resolution was achieved. Again no way to get 1080P@120Hz was available. Indeed a decode of the EDID from the TV does not list 1080P@120Hz as a capability.

    • arpstorm
    • 8 years ago

    In the case of this one product I’ll agree, and referred my order to Jeff Bezo’s happy group. However NewEgg did have the best price for my EVGA EVGA|02G-P4-3682-KR GTX680 MAC Edition, which LOL! is more expensive than this TV set.

    • jihadjoe
    • 8 years ago

    I tip my hat to you, old man.

    Now excuse me while I get off your lawn.

    • Krogoth
    • 8 years ago

    Correct Answer: Still needs something more powerful……

    • derFunkenstein
    • 8 years ago

    IOW Andy might have just accidentally gotten a really good deal.

    • TheMonkeyKing
    • 8 years ago

    And by Monday morning…$599.00.

    And below the price tag…a note from Amazon.com:
    [quote<]Item Under Review While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here. (Thanks for the tip!) We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible.[/quote<]

    • WaltC
    • 8 years ago

    This is the type of thing (among others) that polishes TR to a diamond luster….;) I love reading about these kinds of products and deals! (I went ape over the Korean monitor write ups!)

    I think it’s surprising, but in perusing some of these posts, it’s apparent that some folks aren’t clear on the difference between television screens aside from simply size–as this article grandly points out–it’s pixels, man, pixels! For instance, in one room I have a 28″ with a native res of 1920×1200; in another room a 32-inch “HD TV” with a native res of 1366 x768…! (The latter is fine for 720p and maybe some 1080i, etc., while the former does better than “HD TV” resolution.) The sort of monitor Andy and Scott have unearthed here is truly “Ultra HD” if there really is such a thing…;) Yea, quality-wise, it’s still early days yet, but at these prices these products are going to get a lot of second and third looks, no doubt! The great news is that “Ultra HD” is coming–and more fast than slow, as these things go, imo! My ideal is 4k in a 28″-30″ monitor–and that may not be so far off as it may have seemed even six months ago. Great stuff! My ideal may yet be too far off and I may have to “settle” for one of these gems Scott keeps bringing to our attention!

    • Parallax
    • 8 years ago

    [quote<]Your fall-back option is to drop down to 1920x1080 while gaming, where this thing supports a nice, fast 120Hz refresh rate.[/quote<] As tested by people in [url=http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1756171<]this[/url<] thread, the 39" Seiki will accept a 120Hz 1080p signal, but will skip frames to bring it back to 60Hz. The 50" version will correctly show 120Hz at 1080p, but for some reason the 39" will not. Seiki originally said this could be fixed in a firmware update, but last I checked their plans to do this were cancelled.

    • albundy
    • 8 years ago

    I highly doubt we will. dont forget, the government had a hand in HD broadcasting. Thats one of the reasons cable was forced to broadcast in HD. I highly doubt that 4K would be pushed the same way.

    • Meadows
    • 8 years ago

    Assuming it ever goes back down. You may have missed it for good.

    • sschaem
    • 8 years ago

    Seem the stock is running out (the $400 price was on for a few weeks now), but at amazon its now only available at $600. The 50″ model also ski rocket in price…. But they also had it on sale for weeks now.

    I would expect the hdmi2.0 model to come out soon , most likely <$700

    But at least we now 4K 120hz S-MVA pannel can be sold for a profit at $400 in a decent looking housing.
    Why couldn’t nvidia make their g-sync adapter work with this model, instead of those puny & small 1080p TN monitors.

    • sschaem
    • 8 years ago

    I think you need to drink some water.

    At the same size. one display will pack 4 pixel in the same space as one.
    Thats it… dont over think it. The result will be identical from 2 feet away.

    Only difference is the pixel structure, and you would need to put your nose on the screen to see this.

    • sschaem
    • 8 years ago

    Dell has about a 300 to 400% market in their high end monitor.

    They better milk people as quick as then can, because this is coming to an end for them.

    • sschaem
    • 8 years ago

    a) this TV does come with advanced calibration service menus. Pro videographer have had great luck calibrating this TV

    b) Seiki is working on a hdmi2.0 model and hinted that they are also looking at an upgrade path
    (from there twiter account)

    c) 120hz might need a firmware update to be truly functional.

    But its for $400 you get a great pannel, super color calibration, 120hz 1080p gaming and 4K desktop.

    I’m surprised they still have any in stock…

    • travbrad
    • 8 years ago

    There aren’t enough Titans in the world to improve the gameplay however.

    • travbrad
    • 8 years ago

    OLED displays have been at CES for years now, and are somehow always one more year away from mass production and cheap prices. I’m looking forward to playing Half-Life 3 on my OLED display in the year of the linux desktop.

    • mcnabney
    • 8 years ago

    Color? I had ONE color – GREEN – and I liked it!

    • ronch
    • 8 years ago

    You need to be careful, man. We can’t risk wasting precious space in the comments area! o_O

    • ronch
    • 8 years ago

    So buy a bigger desk, Neely. 4K is worth it!!

    • ronch
    • 8 years ago

    Well, at least you didn’t get an Error 404.

    • ronch
    • 8 years ago

    Kids today are too spoiled with technology. 3D graphics? 4K displays? 120Hz refresh rates? Mantle? Even a TruAudio whatnot is thrown in to free up the CPU from audio duties (right. wow).

    Heck, when I was a little boy 320 x 240 256-color VGA graphics was AWESOME and 640 x 480 was reserved for the gods!!

    • Prestige Worldwide
    • 8 years ago

    Agree. I played FEAR multiplayer at 960×540 (personal preference, most competitive players play that game somewhat low res) on a 1080-120hz monitor, and I wouldn’t say that it is free of blur. You always lose sharpness and colour quality when going non-native on an LCD.

    • Ethyriel
    • 8 years ago

    No it shouldn’t. There’s space between pixels, so a four by four block, while it doesn’t actually take up more space, is just… different. I really can’t figure out how to explain it with this amount of alcohol in my system, but you really need to see it for yourself.

    At this high resolution and screen size, it might not make any discernible difference from 10ft. But if you’re using it as a monitor, I bet you do.

    • insulin_junkie72
    • 8 years ago

    OTA/Cable networks are a mix of 720p/1080[b<]i[/b<]. Of course, as DPete27 alludes to, the bit-starved (and usually DNR'd beforehand, for easier compression) HD signals are often comparable at best to a well-mastered DVD once your cable/sat provider gets done mangling it.

    • sreams
    • 8 years ago

    It should look -exactly- like a 39″ 1080p television when running at 1920×1080. No blurriness. Just lower res.

    Yes, the Retina comparison is a good one. iPhone 3GS vs iPhone 4. iPad vs iPad Retina. The newer devices display older application at exactly half the native vertical and horizontal resolution. There are no resample artifacts.

    • mcnabney
    • 8 years ago

    The Seiki panels are 120hz – so it is just the cable that is holding it back (and they didn’t go with Displayport which ALSO would have worked).

    • tipoo
    • 8 years ago

    I see. So it would just be doing what the Retina macs do essentially with exact integer scaling? Things can still look a bit blurry on that if not updated with Retina assets, but with 39″ you’d also be further…Hmm. This needs an eyes on test.

    • UberGerbil
    • 8 years ago

    Do any of the US cable providers offer 1080p? Isn’t it all 720 at best? The only 1080 broadcasts I know of are some sat channels (particularly PPV).

    But there are other ways to get content.

    • UberGerbil
    • 8 years ago

    It’s not always or entirely higher margins; there’s always higher costs for the first entrants because all the tooling is new. Later on the production lines have been paid for and they’ve learned how to wring new efficiencies out of them, so they can afford to charge less while keeping similar margins.

    • NeelyCam
    • 8 years ago

    Unfortunately it’s too big for my desk. Otherwise it would be an insta-buy

    • jjj
    • 8 years ago

    That’s how almost everybody operates ,new technology is used to get higher margins and they always overdo it at the very beginning.
    Sometimes someone decides to not “play nice” and actually try to gain share by offering more reasonable prices. It’s the upside of competition, too bad that a lot of times there isn’t much of that.
    It’s also true that Seiki is likely using B grade panels and not offering all the bells and whistles that other might so it is a budget 4k screen but ,at the same time, priced well.

    Looking forward to Seiki’s 28 inch monitor and AOC entering the 4k market ,maybe we get some more price friendly options.

    • humannn
    • 8 years ago

    Exactly. I’m waiting for that Vizio P-Series ($1000) model to come out because, unlike the Seiki, this one actually seems to have great contrast and great color (and of course 60hz at 4k). This Seiki model was interesting, but the tech was a year too young. Glad I saved my money.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 8 years ago

    Yeah, at 30Hz it’s not even a temptation. At 60Hz it would be.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 8 years ago

    Woudln’t you need to set the resolution to UHD 24Hz to do that? I’m talking about 3860×2160 @ 24Hz. Not that content like that exists.

    • sreams
    • 8 years ago

    There is no resampling involved. 1920 and 1080 are exactly half the horizontal and vertical resolutions of this panel. That means that each native four-pixel block becomes a pixel. 1080p should look as sharp as if it were the native res.

    • DPete27
    • 8 years ago

    Will we ever get 4k TV from cable providers? By the looks of the compression artifacts in my HD service, I’d say they’re having enough trouble meeting the bandwidth requirements of 1080p.

    With respect to the 4k @ 30Hz vs 1080p @ 120Hz:
    1) Yes it sucks that we have to sacrifice refresh rate to get 4k. This limitation will go away in future products. So just wait. With no TV/Movie content going above 1080p, the only benefit you get is having more screen real estate on computer-related usage anyway.
    2) The majority of users aren’t going to have the hardware to game at 4k and push more than 30fps.
    3) I doubt that “120Hz at 1080p” claim is native input. (Same as all >60Hz TVs out there today)

    • cynan
    • 8 years ago

    By rejects, I meant panels that, for whatever reason, weren’t acceptable for sale to brand name companies. Some of this could have been due to flaws such as dead pixels or backlight bleed. In other cases, as you say, they could have been overstock A+ panels.

    Until there are companies like Seiki (or Korean budget brands, etc) selling 28″ TN 4K monitors, we really have no yardstick by which to discern if or how much name brands are gouging by selling them for $600-$800.

    Also, Overclocking of those IPS panels to 120 Hz was not a guaranteed affair. As I recall, there was a lot of YMMV, with further uncertainty about whether or not the DVI-D connections on those things could actually handle the bandwidth required for full 120 Hz at ~2K resolutions (irrespective of what the actual overclocking application or driver said the monitor was being fed). If they could do 120Hz flawlessly stock, they surely would have been marketed as such. Especially after seeing how desirable such a feature is among enthusiasts.

    • Sabresiberian
    • 8 years ago

    Actually they are “A” or “A-” grade panels. They aren’t “rejects” unless you consider the customer (meaning the business that builds the monitor from the panels purchased from LG or another panel maker) to be the defining factor, and said customer will only use “A+” panels. (You said “rejected from brand name companies”, but that implies the panels were sent to, say, Dell, and Dell sent them back as rejects. This isn’t the case; they are graded by the manufacturer of the panel.)

    The overall quality of the screen is the same as an “A+” panel, there just might be more dead or bright pixels. The one I purchased from Overlord had no defective pixels. Even so, a 2560×1440 27″ has enough of a smaller pixel that 1 dead one isn’t a problem because you can’t see it in use.

    They do tend to be built with lower quality parts besides the panel. Wobbly stands, cheap looking frames, that kind of thing. They also typically have 1 video connector, dual-link DVI, and no OSD. However, those things (OSD and extra connectors) aren’t good for gaming, as they tend to add lag to the display.

    I wouldn’t mind paying something of a premium for a monitor from, say, Asus for a G-Sync 120 Hz capable 2560×1440 IPS monitor, but $800 for the TN paneled screen they are going to sell for $800 MSRP is unacceptable (to me). Really, G-Sync shouldn’t cost much if any more than the control module that would otherwise come in a display, and there are thousands of people that have overclocked their IPS displays to 120 Hz, so it is a proven technology. That monitor should come in around $500-600; $800 is only possible because we in the U.S. and western Europe are used to paying exorbitant prices for electronic devices.

    • Waco
    • 8 years ago

    Ditto. It’s too bad really – I’d have bought one on impulse at $404…but at $499 I can wait for it to dip again.

    • cynan
    • 8 years ago

    Actually, Vizio (US brand) seems to be the 4K TV manufacturer to beat this year. Both in the high end and low end.

    Apparently they’re set to introduce a [url=http://bgr.com/2014/01/08/vizio-p-series-4k-tv-price/<]50" 4K for around $1000[/url<]. Then there is the new high end [url=http://www.avsforum.com/t/1511154/vizio-reference-series-uhdtvs-at-ces-2014<]R series[/url<], complete with 384 points of local dimming, and true 10-bit panels (a first for consumer TVs?). These 2 features alone should make colors and contrast pretty competitive with anything else that comes out.

    • jthh
    • 8 years ago

    Amazon’s price is now $499. I was thinking about it at $404, but not now.

    • ClickClick5
    • 8 years ago

    My 27in, 2K screen cost $287 from Newegg over cyber monday. It is a Korean IPS and noted that is would have up to 5 dead pixels. Mine only has one dead that turns red against a white background. Far bottom left corner. As I game with the screen (not a productivity or media editing screen), I never notice it. Unless I’m watching a movie with the camera pointed at the sun.

    • mcnabney
    • 8 years ago

    How many Titans are required to run Crysis 3 at 4Kp120?

    Answer: all of them!

    • dmjifn
    • 8 years ago

    lolwut?? I thought you just said “number of pixels on screen” and “time to update screen” are unrelated. All else being equal, I’d assume they’re directly related!

    • Bubster
    • 8 years ago

    Its 1080p on a 39″ screen. You be the judge.

    • Sahrin
    • 8 years ago

    Giving up refresh rate to get detail is like giving up GPU power to get HDD transfer rate.

    Not necessarily a bad deal, but there’s no reason I should have to do it. Put a DP 1.2 on the fucker!

    • Jigar
    • 8 years ago

    I am not giving my money until i get 4K @ 120HZ.

    • brucethemoose
    • 8 years ago

    I read somewhere that you can flash this with the firmware of the 50″ model and get some other interesting input options… I can’t remember if it actually did 4k at 60hz, but 1080p scaling works better with the different firmware.

    • brucethemoose
    • 8 years ago

    Double post.

    • El_MUERkO
    • 8 years ago

    A lot of people have posted on the Seiki facebook page that DP1.2 or HDMI 2.0 60hz support would have them jumping on these displays and Seiki have responded with ‘watch this space’. It’d certainly throw a spanner in the works if they do 🙂

    • TAViX
    • 8 years ago

    Agree. The Chinese seems to be serious about dominating the 4K TV market. And they are not to blame. As long as branded companies offer similar products for double or triple the price, I say let them dominate.

    • Zizy
    • 8 years ago

    Nah. OLED can switch in <1ms (I think most of the current ones are several microseconds). The TV still ends up being merely 60 Hz, because of transistor stuff inside. It shouldnt be too hard to make it at least 120Hz, 1kHz+ might be a bit tricky, especially with high resolution screens.
    Not only it isnt as fast as it could be, current models also have retarded input lag because they are intended for TV and it doesnt matter as much there.

    As for your 500Hz on monitor and 150 on GPU: Vsync would still help with image tearing, but I dont think a) anyone is going to notice tearing without vsync. b) anyone is going to notice vsync’s lag. Monitor is fast enough for both.
    You would really want freesync/G-sync, otherwise data transfer alone will make a hefty power bill. I also dont think it is doable with current cables excluding optical ones. Even DP 1.3 and HDMI 2.0 are only going to 2160p@60Hz. 10 such cables? 😀

    • Wirko
    • 8 years ago

    Scalers always interpolate as fuzzy appearance is usually preferable to blocky appearance. Not sure, though, if they can take advantage of subpixel arrangement in any way. For example, when doing 2560-to-3840 scaling, one input pixel corresponds to 4.5 subpixels on screen, not 3 or 6.

    What I don’t get is why scalers add lag. Their operation doesn’t require a full frame to be held in a buffer. A couple of scanlines is enough, and the lag could be in the range of microseconds.

    • jss21382
    • 8 years ago

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say 1080p is probably pretty good, being it’s currently the most common resolution that a tv of any type is going to be asked to display.

    • JosiahBradley
    • 8 years ago

    Why would there be a scalar on a standard power of 2 resolution? 1080p maps perfectly 1:4 pixels in a 2×2 block, no special hardware needed.

    • jjj
    • 8 years ago

    600$ for 50 inch is not bad at all either. You get the real estate and the pixels of 4×25 inch screens and no bezels.

    • Krogoth
    • 8 years ago

    ITT: Sour Grapes…..

    • Krogoth
    • 8 years ago

    1.) It will happen but don’t expect it to come cheap.

    2.) It is going to be limited to newer specs of DP and you will need a newer video card as well. (Current video cards on market only have DP 1.0-1.2 ports)

    • willmore
    • 8 years ago

    Looks like DP 1.3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#1.3) will have enough bandwidth to do 2160p@120Hz. Interestingly, they’re also including a low latency, lossless compression technology, so maybe it’ll be able to do 8K at > 30Hz (which is the same amount of BW as 2160p@120Hz).

    So, as long as the display supports all of the new DP1.3 (hopefully out before July), you should be good.

    • mnemonick
    • 8 years ago

    It really depends on the quality of the internal scaler. In Windows it’ll probably look pretty fuzzy (mainly the text) but games would probably be OK if the scaler’s decent (it’s like “free 2x FSAA” :D). There may be additional lag from it, though.

    • tipoo
    • 8 years ago

    How does 1080p look on this? Can you tell it’s non-native?

    • tipoo
    • 8 years ago

    I’m curious, does 1080p on these look worse than on a native 1080p monitor? I know with a 1080p native itself, going into interlaced mode for non-native is ugly, but is gone with this higher resolution?

    • Chrispy_
    • 8 years ago

    39″ 1080p 120Hz that isn’t TN?

    That’s gotta be worth reading a bit further for….

    • JustAnEngineer
    • 8 years ago

    If it’s a 120 Hz engine, why wouldn’t it support 24Hz movie input at the native refresh rate?

    • TheDON3k
    • 8 years ago

    I have this TV/Monitor, and to clarify, it runs 4k at 30Hz, but it runs 1440p (2560×1440) @60Hz, which is great for gaming. This is the mode in which I play. The 1080p is 120Hz, but I, and I’ve seen others, report that the 120Hz drops to a black screen occasionally, then comes back, as if it’s losing lock.

    I also had to upgraded my firmware with the latest build, since the monitor shipped with a May 2013 release. The official How-To did not work, but entering the hidden Service Menu (press MENU then 0000) and choose the Upgrade option there worked fine.

    Now, my issue with 120Hz could be because AMD doesn’t officially support 4k unless you have a HD 7000 series or newer. I have a HD 6990, and so I had to use the Custom Resolution Utility by ToastyX to add the 120 1080p and the 1440p resolutions.

    Also, you will have to purchase an ACTIVE Mini-Displayport to HDMI1.4a adaptor, if you have an AMD with the mini-ports. The regular (cheap) adaptors are not active, and so you will not get these resolutions.

    The one to purchase is Accell UltraAV® Mini DisplayPort 1.1 to HDMI 1.4 Active Adapter, at about $30 From Amazon, etc.

    I would also recommend these settings:
    Backlight 75
    Contrast 44
    Brightness 59
    Sharpness 0
    Color 32
    Color Mode: Warm

    Until you set your calibrations, the desktop display looks pretty harsh and the fonts very gritty.

    • insulin_junkie72
    • 8 years ago

    It’s not looking particularly good for OLED panels in TV sizes, unfortunately. Sony/Panasonic even pulled the plug on their joint OLED venture recently.

    4K LED/LCDs seem to be the way forward.

    • cynan
    • 8 years ago

    If this had displayport 1.2 and a timing controller that could actually handle 4K @ 60Hz, there’s no way it would be selling for any where near $400.

    • Wirko
    • 8 years ago

    Can a TV of this size even be used comfortably as a monitor, or is it too tall? What about adjustability, can the screen be lowered to almost touch the desk? Given the choice, I think I’d rather pick a 21:9 (4200×1800 maybe) model with the same diagonal.

    • madmilk
    • 8 years ago

    You might want to consider a tiling window management tool, such as xmonad on Linux and Slate on OS X. I can’t name one for Windows (probably because I don’t use Windows for anything but gaming anymore), although nVidia’s nView was rather nice back in the XP days. Not sure what happened to that.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 8 years ago

    It’s unusable on the desktop too. A 120Hz LCD monitor is clearly smoother than 60Hz on the desktop, but 60Hz is good too. 30Hz would be horrible even just for dragging windows around or viewing other moving 2D content.

    • orik
    • 8 years ago

    I snagged this for $404 dollars three months ago on a similar sale. I just figured out how to make 1920×1080 work (by crossflashing the 50″ firmware) and adjusted cleartype to reflect the BGR nature of the panel.

    Not sure if I want to keep it or not, but I’m excited to watch house of cards on it.

    • MadManOriginal
    • 8 years ago

    A 4k display won’t be a consideration for me unless:

    1) IPS. Even *VA panels have issues, every one I’ve seen has this odd horizontal contrast+color shift whereby the edges appear different than the center when your viewpoint is centered.
    2) At *least* 60Hz at native resolution. This might need a new or better display interface standard. DP 1.4? If I’m going to dish out for a new monitor in less than 5 years after buying my U2713HM though I would really want it to be 120Hz.

    • madmilk
    • 8 years ago

    I assume that just like any other monitor, you can use SwitchResX, Quartz Debug or some plist hacking to get HiDPI to work. Not sure about video cards though.

    There’s not much reason to use HiDPI on this monitor though, seeing how it’s only 112 ppi.

    • shank15217
    • 8 years ago

    its not just desktop real estate, multiple monitors provide a workflow advantage too.

    • Derfer
    • 8 years ago

    So by next year they’ll probably have a cable that supports 60hz? Then it will be game one. Only I’m not crazed about it. With this collision of 4k and next gen games it’s about to get more expensive to max out games than ever before. The demands of cutting edge performance is starting to hit my wallet faster than it can recover.

    • Meadows
    • 8 years ago

    Okay, regular television then. (I glance over certain facts since I don’t own a telly myself.)

    At that point, it gets pretty bad though, I’d imagine. Probably absolutely no shows or other content at such resolutions.

    • Vaughn
    • 8 years ago

    I stopped reading at 30hz!

    • Milo Burke
    • 8 years ago

    Much. I suspect it might be something like 2:1:1:1 pulldown when you’re done.

    • derFunkenstein
    • 8 years ago

    Would this make 3:2 pulldown worse?

    • Meadows
    • 8 years ago

    Good enough for the movies, though.

    • Meadows
    • 8 years ago

    This is a compromise I would not spend money on.

    • mcnabney
    • 8 years ago

    Yes.
    The Japanese and Korean companies are getting fat fat margins. The Chinese have already made it clear that they intend to take over the display market with 4k. Brands like Seiki, HiSense and TCL. Gamers should skip this model and get a 2014 model in the summer that will have HDMI 2.0.

    • kamikaziechameleon
    • 8 years ago

    Interesting indeed. I hope to get a 40″ 4K for my desktop soon and do away with all my peripheral monitors.

    This is not that monitor for me but it is darn appealing.

    • Farting Bob
    • 8 years ago

    If this had a display port capable of carrying that resolution at 60hz (or even 120hz if possible) i’d pick this up in a heartbeat. Remove that refresh rate limitation and i’d gladly pay a hundred more, it’ll still be cheaper than anything else in it’s size or resolution range.

    • cynan
    • 8 years ago

    The same reason why Korean 27″ and 30″ IPS monitor have cost almost half of what the brand name versions (eg, Dell, HP) cost. Some of it is fatter margins, sure. But there can also be some pretty significant differences in features, build quality, quality control and warranty. Caveat Emptor.

    Also, these off-brand models seem to be often built with “overstock” or “B-grade” panels, etc, rejected, for whatever reason, from the brand name companies.

    • iatacs19
    • 8 years ago

    “This display has a single HDMI input that can support the panel’s native resolution of 3840×2160 at a refresh rate of 30Hz. That’s a fast enough update rate for desktop and productivity work, but 30Hz is not good for gaming, even with vsync disabled.”

    Have you tried to use 30Hz? It’s unusable at any resolution.

    • Alexko
    • 8 years ago

    I don’t get it.

    How can they sell a 39″ 4K S-MVA display for less than $500 when 28″ 4K TN-based models are about $200 more expensive? Is everyone else ripping us off?

    • derFunkenstein
    • 8 years ago

    According to the product listings, HDMI only. That’s too bad.

    • dpaus
    • 8 years ago

    Any chance you could post a second picture giving us a sense of how thick the bezel is?

    EDIT: it can be seen in the ‘product gallery’ pictures in the TigerDirect link provided by anotherengineer (thanks!)

    • anotherengineer
    • 8 years ago

    “the pixel density is obviously higher than on my own 30″ 2560×1440 monitor,”

    Would that be a 27″ monitor Scott?

    Sweet price, doesn’t seem to be available at amazon.ca, however Tiger Direct does seem to have it.

    [url<]http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8430969&Sku=S874-3905[/url<]

    • --k
    • 8 years ago

    I looked at the 60″ one when i was shopping for a tv. The reviews on cnet were lukewarm, and the hdmi 1.4 limitation put it out of contention.

    Once 4k content becomes ubiquitous, i would consider 4 again. There are several articles where the average distance of the screen vs the size limits the effectiveness/notice the 4k until you have something like 70″ screen.

    • Milo Burke
    • 8 years ago

    Is there an alternate connection that would at least allow 60 Hz? Maybe DisplayPort?

    • demani
    • 8 years ago

    Is there a way to enable a HiDPI mode in OSX for it? And what video cards would support this on the Mac side? I thought it was only the Retina MBP and the new Mac Pro that would do it? Or maybe one of the new generic cards will do it under OSX?

    • jihadjoe
    • 8 years ago

    Maan I love Newegg for fighting the patent trolls, but their pricing is outright scumbaggery.

    • chuckula
    • 8 years ago

    So… are you going to tell us the price? 😛

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