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by Glorious
Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:10 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Apple A12 SPEC2006
Replies: 46
Views: 1306

Re: Apple A12 SPEC2006

History as a guide. Not a roadmap to follow without deviation. Then how did it guide you to "Mac Pro comes first"? Because, previously, it came last. This isn't a "deviation." It is the exact opposite of your claim, which you explicitly said was "guided" by history? .....
by Glorious
Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:00 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Apple A12 SPEC2006
Replies: 46
Views: 1306

Re: Apple A12 SPEC2006

I'm looking into the future. Circumstantial evidence and history are my guides: This isn't true, and we've had this discussion before. Actually we've had it several times, and it's getting pointless. According to history, the Mac Pro was the last Mac they switched over to x86. The reasons for this ...
by Glorious
Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:19 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

I did not include display lag, assuming you're lumping compute delay in with input delay, and input delay is meaningless unless you define the point at which you're counting input as manifested. A better breakdown would be input -> compute -> display. Input is usually pretty tiny, at least with wir...
by Glorious
Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:01 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

This is why having a discussion with you is quite infuriating. What discussion? You're lecturing me about how I'm completely wrong. Weird. I thought you were asking an earnest question, not administering a test under false pretenses (as you have explicitly admitted that you underplayed your abiliti...
by Glorious
Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:32 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

With respect to game latency- I'd say that there's a difference between 'notice' and 'it's laggy'. Yes, it's a continuum, and where people start to notice differs by person. It's not totally innate either, you can be (even self) trained to notice. I notice >100ms delays. Some games are really, real...
by Glorious
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:08 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

5 frames of total delay from the time the game receives your inputs to the time the frame showing the result of those inputs starts being sent to the display is normal. I really wish it weren't, but it doesn't seem to bother average gamers much. That's input delay + display lag. You can call both t...
by Glorious
Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:18 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

Frequently, safety critical software will utilise "last good values" when the data/inputs/something goes a bit off piste, until good data is reestablished. No. We have the concept of "Data Quality" in which a tag can signal, out-of-band, that something is actually wrong. Coverin...
by Glorious
Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:14 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

Again this started with you asking a question. Now you are saying I don't understand the answer. How is this not trolling? Was the question a trick? Or are these claims about how I am not programmer but you definitely are (and are better in your spare time than the professionals full time in a multi...
by Glorious
Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:08 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

Amiga500+ you originally acted as if you were asking a question.

Now you are treating this like some test I (and the entire games industry...) have failed.

Ok.

Were you trolling originally? Or just now?

Both?
by Glorious
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:35 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

Erm. No. Think that through again yourself! Our update times are still going to be on the order of milliseconds. While the game engine rate may not be hitting 1/30 seconds, it should still be beating 1/10 seconds. Therefore it doesn't matter if tank 2 doesn't know what happened tank 1 for 1/10th a ...
by Glorious
Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:26 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

In real code, it would have been pool.apply_async with pool running to different processes What difference does that make? Everything has to coalesce into an actual frame. That's the relevant point. Its a result of me trying to keep it as succinct as possible to avoid losing my core message. I'm no...
by Glorious
Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:37 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

I wonder why its not common place for the game engine to present the render engine the last good value for each state values until said state values are updated? i.e. the tank is on the bridge until the thread responsible for the tank decides it has to move or the thread responsible for projectiles...
by Glorious
Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:44 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

if it were that simple then surely it'd be easy enough (quasi-pythonically): "Easy enough" to make it a two-stage pipeline? :P Sure, but that's exactly why I said "basically wait". It is a simplification, but the concept it expresses remains true. First, let's address how the pa...
by Glorious
Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:36 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Threadripper 2990wx experiences
Replies: 106
Views: 2775

Re: Threadripper 2990wx experiences

Yup, and this is why massively parallel algorithms tend to excel for problems where there is minimal, or very regular and well-defined synchronization between the parallel pieces. While the graphics rendering pipeline falls into this category, the rest of the game logic generally does not. Right, a...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:31 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Apple A12 SPEC2006
Replies: 46
Views: 1306

Re: Apple A12 SPEC2006

I'm not sure if you realize what you've just said, because it is extremely irrational. How so? On the contrary, stating that "Since these are the only benchmarks we have" we should therefore discard the reservations of those who provided the benchmarks(!!!), simply because we don't have a...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Apple A12 SPEC2006
Replies: 46
Views: 1306

Re: Apple A12 SPEC2006

Yeah, I'm sure that's the level we're all operating on here, given the discourse thus far. Perhaps you should do some research. Start here: https://www.realworldtech.com/pa-semi/ You've already established that you aren't proceeding from observation, but rather necessity. That is, you think we &quo...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Apple A12 SPEC2006
Replies: 46
Views: 1306

Re: Apple A12 SPEC2006

Since these are the only benchmarks we have, how else do you propose we measure the performance of Apple's silicon against that of other IHVs? We don't? Because we aren't? We're just estimating (literally the words Anandtech, your source, freely and repeatedly used themselves). I have no burning ne...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:20 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

I never claimed that "thousands of supermicro servers were disposed of secretly", and I can't follow any logic for how my statements could imply this claim of yours. So seriously, you should stop doing that. Easy: How can "isolated engineers" be confident that they left nothing ...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:16 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

I'm probably kicking up the hornets nest here. But... what the hell does this have to do with my argument? I mean, clearly you love setting up strawmen, but doing so does not facilitate discussion. These comments of yours in general are simply not helpful to any discussion. I'm asking just how &quo...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:13 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

I'd bet you're wrong there. Well you're already conclusively demonstrated that I'm wrong once, so I'm folding. Super Micro gear is pretty popular across the span of DoD, DoE, three letter agencies, etc. They're cheap and willing to build weird stuff for various customers. The only reason I'm thinki...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:10 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

And you're explaining it poorly. Either explain it better, or stop trying to explain things to me. Because it is hurting your case. Explain what? Rogue engineers disposed of thousands of supermicro servers and convinced Apple to never buy anymore, because, *crickets* The proof for this being a poss...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:05 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

Super Micro is absolutely an approved government vendor. Consider my claim completely retracted then. :lol: I would think then, despite being clearly wrong about that (I should have thought about your realm of endeavor and checked, utterly duh, in retrospect. Mea Culpa), that Homeland Security stil...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:03 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

Yes. They have a picture of an lol coupling capacitor and claim it can take over a computer. Which is utter bulls---. Coupling capacitors have 8-pins but only logically have 2-connections on the PCB. Soooo... no. So my question is: what nugget of truth are they basing their article on? There must h...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:39 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

Lazines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_M ... ch_recalls Look, engineers don't always tell executives what goes on. That's like... normal. No conspiracy here. That's just how the world works. You can't just assume that everyone in a large corporation is on the same page. First paragraph: The...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:25 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

The Occam's razor is that DHS is using Apple and/or Supermicro equipment, so they're covering their own ass on this issue. Uh, they frequently award their contracts to the likes of Dell and HP, so I'd actually be very surprised if they were ever a supermicro customer. At any rate, Supermicro is alm...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:14 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

5) A serious, but isolated, incident occurred, but doesn't apply to Apple / SuperMicro / etc. in general. Bloomberg exaggerated the claims in their story and are making a mountain out of a molehill. This is the story being manifestly false. It really makes no difference if something like this happe...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:11 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

4) Apple Executives don't know about it, and at best, a few isolated Apple Engineers know about these particular issues. Since Apple, as a whole, doesn't know about it, they released a letter to Congress forcibly defending themselves. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. 1) Why would those is...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:10 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

Yeah, but Apple has shareholders and customers who are concerned about privacy. If they don't respond forcibly, then their image also falls apart. The company ( and the Presidency ) falls apart completely if it turns out that: 1) They bare-faced lied to Congress. You see, no hypothetical gag order/...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:35 am
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

Per the link dragontamer5788 posted, it would seem they're doubling down. I'd feel better about that if it wasn't from the same two guys. They're also not really defending the original reporting, just adding another story to it. Meanwhile, Apple is going in front of EDIT: writing to Congress right ...
by Glorious
Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:18 am
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Supermicro motherboard back door?
Replies: 44
Views: 1022

Re: Supermicro motherboard back door?

I dunno, it smells like blatant stock manipulation to me. Considering that Bloomberg is primarily a financial publication, they really aren't in the business of publishing technical discoveries. Stock manipulation with an element of truth, that was grossly exaggerated. This is an outlandish conspir...