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by Krogoth
Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:41 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: STAR WARS TIME!
Replies: 83
Views: 5703

Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Spoilers are leaking out in force [terrible pun] for TLJ and it looks and sounds like it is a literal deconstruction of the original trilogy. TL DR version: Let's burn and deconstruction the entire Jedi and Sith mythos and hamfist the new protagonist into becoming the "chosen one" for...
by Krogoth
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:14 pm
Forum: General Hardware
Topic: So who here is actually mining?
Replies: 121
Views: 4140

Re: So who here is actually mining?

Damned miners are destroying the planet... https://www.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-mining-track-consume-world-150717809.html It is more like energy companies are indirectly "fleecing" foolish speculators a.k.a 95% of the crypto-currency crowd. The whole system will crash long before it starts ...
by Krogoth
Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:44 am
Forum: Echo Vale
Topic: So is the sound card dead?
Replies: 53
Views: 1990

Re: So is the sound card dead?

Discrete GPUs are going to be facing the same music with next generation of iGPU solutions coming out. They will start becoming "good enough" for masses and causal gamers which make up the bulk of the revenue for discrete GPU market. It is the main reason why Nvidia has been trying to dist...
by Krogoth
Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:02 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: BEST CHOICE - i7 8700K or i7 7820X ?
Replies: 9
Views: 779

Re: BEST CHOICE - i7 8700K or i7 7820X ?

8700K is the more cost-effective option if you don't need extra PCIe lanes and can actually find an unit (shortage will likely persist until Q1 2018). 7820X has two more cores and twelve more PCIe 3.0 lanes at its disposal at a higher cost and lower turbo and stock clockspeeds. It can match 8700K in...
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:15 am
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Obsolete IT in the wild
Replies: 122
Views: 4404

Re: Obsolete IT in the wild

Let's not feed the troll, folks. You label people you disagree with trolls? Do you encourage people to use an 8 year old OS? Shame on you if you do. Windows 7 hangers on are one of the major reasons why Microsoft crashed and burned in the mobile space. Just look at the state of the Windows Store to...
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:06 am
Forum: Hot Deals
Topic: LSI SAS9211-8i
Replies: 22
Views: 1239

Re: LSI SAS9211-8

This reminds me of the flood of discarded Westmete Xeons that could easily work any of 1366 boards out there. They were also unlocked on top of that.
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:35 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: 8700k Availability
Replies: 3
Views: 1368

Re: 8700k Availability

Intel rushed Coffee Lake to the market ASAP because they wanted to stop the marketshare hemorrhaging from Ryzen 5 and 7. They didn't take bother take the time to built reserves and stock for a public release. I expect Coffee Lake SKUs to be difficult to obtain until Q1-Q2 2018. It also appears that ...
by Krogoth
Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:55 pm
Forum: TR Distributed Computing Effort
Topic: TR Frankenbot 2017
Replies: 49
Views: 5413

Re: TR Frankenbot 2017

general_tux wrote:
It's looking like we will be able to surpass last October's point total. Hopefully we can sustain >2M PPD!


My Vega 64 should help retain that throughput.
by Krogoth
Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:10 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

Already did it and still came to the same conclusion. Outside of a small minority of mainstream applications and games, the benefits of going from dual-core to quad-core are still kinda small. The majority of the reviewers out there are cherry-picking games that are known to use more than two-threa...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:15 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?
Replies: 31
Views: 2461

Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

I was fairly certain that Volta is not aimed at desktop gamers, but compute users. The miners will lap up Volta, but don't expect massive gains in gaming performance like we had from Maxwell to Pascal. Volta is the replacement for Pascal. Volta will have a range of products, as did Pascal. The arch...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:14 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

The majority of the games and mainstream content on the PC are still single and dual-thread at best with a few outliers go beyond that. Homework for Krogoth: research game performance on systems with just two threads vs. six+ threads. Already did it and still came to the same conclusion. Outside of...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:00 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

How do you intend to explain the 8700K's commanding lead over the 7700K, then? No, background load isn't it. If background load is taking more than a quarter of a single core, your system has issues. You may want to double-check the data from a variety of sources again. Outside of a few mainstream ...
by Krogoth
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:19 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

The majority of gaming titles only use one or two threads at most. The third thread is barely used if at all (typically audio stuff). Dude, no. We've been over this. That was a common architecture for 7th-gen consoles, but you can't get performance beyond "toaster" out of 8th-gen consoles...
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:08 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?
Replies: 31
Views: 2461

Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

1080, 1070, 1070Ti or 1080Ti. Pascal Titans are overkill and overpriced for 1440p gaming.

1060 6GiB can do it if you willing to cutback on eye candy.
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:07 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?
Replies: 31
Views: 2461

Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

1080, 1070, 1070Ti or 1080Ti. Pascal Titans are overkill and overpriced for 1440p gaming.
by Krogoth
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:44 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

Uh, what? Smoother gameplay is 'little to no'? Faster rendering times for photo and video editing? The majority of gaming titles only use one or two threads at most. The third thread is barely used if at all (typically audio stuff). Photo editing is typically I/O limited not CPU-limited unless you ...
by Krogoth
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:03 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

Now this one we can agree on :D. However, I would caution against using it as a gaming CPU vs. the 8600k unless absolutely price-limited: having four non-HT cores is still a limitation for real-world and/or multiplayer gaming the same as it has been since about the release of the 4000-series, as HT...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:05 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

Sure, those threads won't all be active, but it's unlikely that all four cores of a 4C system will be completely free for the active game. This ++, it's not even the thread, 4C is too few now. My Xeon E3-1270 v5 (= between a Core i7-6700 and a i7-6700K) rocked when new 16 months ago, now it's a not...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:59 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

8350k is a sleeper in its price range. AMD has nothing that can compete against it 4 threads or lower. It should OC like a champ. The extra two cores from its 7350k predecessor makes all of the difference. Now this one we can agree on :D. However, I would caution against using it as a gaming CPU vs...
by Krogoth
Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:57 pm
Forum: TR Distributed Computing Effort
Topic: TR Frankenbot 2017
Replies: 49
Views: 5413

Re: TR Frankenbot 2017

Holy smoke, the driver update has managed to make my Vega 64 crank out ~900K-1M PPD. :o That's on the heels of the 1080Ti/Titan X Pascal. Frankie got a nice boost from it.
by Krogoth
Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:11 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

8350k is a sleeper in its price range. AMD has nothing that can compete against it 4 threads or lower. It should OC like a champ.

The extra two cores from its 7350k predecessor makes all of the difference.
by Krogoth
Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:57 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 4841

Re: Which cpu to get?

8700K doesn't look to be so hot for the price point. It barely beats the 7800X at stock. I suspect that memory/cache bandwidth is an issue as well as thermal issues with driving to drive all six-cores at ~4.3Ghz. 1600X is able to pull ahead in workloads where extra cores count. For low-thread worklo...
by Krogoth
Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:02 am
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Z370 and older CPUs
Replies: 12
Views: 2326

Re: Z370 and older CPUs

It has pretty much been confirmed that Coffee Lake/3 series motherboards use a different version of Socket 1151 (keyed differently) so it is not physically/electrically compatible with Skylake/Kaby Lake chips. It will probably be referred informally as Socket1151v2. Intel did something similar with ...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:50 pm
Forum: TR Distributed Computing Effort
Topic: TR Frankenbot 2017
Replies: 49
Views: 5413

Re: TR Frankenbot 2017

That little jolt was from me testing out my RX Vega 64 in ~24 hour period. ;)
by Krogoth
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:33 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 45
Views: 3866

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

I think this is another good "marker" as to why Vega is overpriced for gamers: https://youtu.be/L1p9jzb78QA?t=387 -it's all process and no architecture. Something I thought should be duly node-ed. :wink: It is because the uarchitecture was build for general compute first while "gamin...
by Krogoth
Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:25 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 45
Views: 3866

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

Nah, it was Microsoft's sheer clout (Directdraw/Direct3D) and that GLiDE being out of date that killed it. CUDA already served its purpose for Nvidia for getting a head start in GPGPU marketshare.
by Krogoth
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:43 am
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Security is hard!
Replies: 8
Views: 880

Re: Security is hard!

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/in-spectacular-fail-adobe-security-team-posts-private-pgp-key-on-blog/ Epic fail. Not Equifax level epic fail, but epic fail nonetheless. Security is surprising difficult believe or not when you are a big visible target. The human element (main...
by Krogoth
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:33 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 45
Views: 3866

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

And that's just poor design and planning from AMD for gaming, both in unoptimized architectures and the exceedingly poor decision to go with HBM/HBM2. Yet AMD dominates in HPC / compute intensive workloads. When you only have the budget for one fabbed design, you make it count. Well, they dominate ...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:14 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 45
Views: 3866

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

It is because making big pieces of silicon in bulk isn't easy or cheap to do. Nvidia isn't exactly making a ton of GP100 and GP102 chips either but they really don't need to from a fiscal standpoint. Their bread and butter in the gaming market has always been mid-tier SKUs. GP100 is still kinda har...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:56 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 8174

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

HDR and VRR have two completely different goals in mind.

HDR10 and Dolby Vision are meant for the A/V-videophile market, while VRR is meant for the framerate-junkie gaming market. I doubt they are going to be converging anytime soon.