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by Krogoth
Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:38 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Video card prices
Replies: 153
Views: 3913

Re: Video card prices

This may cause a glut in the CPU market. I doubt it. The overwhelming majority of CPUs have iGPUs and are being sold in bulk by OEMs. The only platform that *need* dGPUs are Socket 2066 chips, Ryzens, Threadrippers and Epycs. The bulk of Socket 2066 chips, Ryzens and Epycs are paired with bargin ba...
by Krogoth
Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:05 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Video card prices
Replies: 153
Views: 3913

Re: Video card prices

Wait until the crypto-currency market undergoes its long overdue "correction" not just the minor "hic-ups" of 2017 you mind. People have been saying this for 9 years. But I think you are betting against human nature. People are greedy, and as long as there is potential profit th...
by Krogoth
Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:53 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Video card prices
Replies: 153
Views: 3913

Re: Video card prices

Wait until the crypto-currency market undergoes its long overdue "correction" not just the minor "hic-ups" of 2017 you mind. I also suspect once customer-tier Volta hits the market. There will be a massive influx of used GCN hardware since Volta is most likely going to be better ...
by Krogoth
Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:58 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Nvidia forbids GeForce use in Data Centers...
Replies: 21
Views: 1012

Re: Nvidia forbids GeForce use in Data Centers...

Nvidia never need to do this before because their previous customer-tier micro-architecture SKUs had general compete functions and performance gimped at the hardware level. They are easing this up with their customer-tier Volta SKUs in light of the crypto-currency craze. Notice how the EULA exempts ...
by Krogoth
Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:09 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Intel Processor bug incoming?
Replies: 196
Views: 6639

Re: Intel Processor bug incoming?

It is quite possible that is a flaw from the x86 ISA itself.
by Krogoth
Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:33 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Nvidia forbids GeForce use in Data Centers...
Replies: 21
Views: 1012

Re: Nvidia forbids GeForce use in Data Centers...

They just don't want their customer-tier Volta SKUs cannibalizing their Telsa/Quadro sales. It is more evidence that Volta microarchitecture family is much more focused around general compute performance this time around.
by Krogoth
Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:52 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Nvidia Titan V
Replies: 36
Views: 2132

Re: Nvidia Titan V

Part 1 of the Anandtech review is up (future part pending): https://www.anandtech.com/show/12170/nvidia-titan-v-preview-titanomachy. Wow, that hardware analysis was a great read. They really changed quite a lot on the underlying uArch, far more than I had realized. It is primarily revolved around g...
by Krogoth
Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:02 am
Forum: Overclocking, Tweaking, & Cooling
Topic: I7 8700 reaching 100C
Replies: 81
Views: 4427

Re: I7 8700 reaching 100C

Coffee Lake chips are toasty chips when pushed hard just like Skylake-X chips. You are going to need a beefer HSF if you intended on running them hard. It is probably poor contact (only off by a few millmeters) that is the source of your issues. The CPU shouldn't hit 40-50C when completely idle from...
by Krogoth
Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:14 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Nvidia Titan V
Replies: 36
Views: 2132

Re: Nvidia Titan V

GV100 is ROP-limited just like Vega 10 and Fiji in gaming loads. It looks like there is going only be to small gains in architectural tweaks for gaming loads.
by Krogoth
Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:35 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: STAR WARS TIME! - Spoiler Lock Lifted
Replies: 242
Views: 11492

Re: STAR WARS TIME!

TLJ is going end-up being the "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" of the franchise.
by Krogoth
Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:34 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: STAR WARS TIME! - Spoiler Lock Lifted
Replies: 242
Views: 11492

Re: STAR WARS TIME!

It looks like Disney is going to regret their choices for writers and director for TLJ. They managed to make TLJ more polarizing then TPM and ROTJ. It is nu-ghostbusters all over again. Jar-Jar and Ewoks have nothing on the stupid shenanigans and plot twists in this movie (Rey becomes a literal...
by Krogoth
Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:41 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: STAR WARS TIME! - Spoiler Lock Lifted
Replies: 242
Views: 11492

Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Spoilers are leaking out in force [terrible pun] for TLJ and it looks and sounds like it is a literal deconstruction of the original trilogy. TL DR version: Let's burn and deconstruction the entire Jedi and Sith mythos and hamfist the new protagonist into becoming the "chosen one" for...
by Krogoth
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:14 pm
Forum: General Hardware
Topic: So who here is actually mining?
Replies: 186
Views: 8597

Re: So who here is actually mining?

Damned miners are destroying the planet... https://www.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-mining-track-consume-world-150717809.html It is more like energy companies are indirectly "fleecing" foolish speculators a.k.a 95% of the crypto-currency crowd. The whole system will crash long before it starts ...
by Krogoth
Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:44 am
Forum: Echo Vale
Topic: So is the sound card dead?
Replies: 53
Views: 2700

Re: So is the sound card dead?

Discrete GPUs are going to be facing the same music with next generation of iGPU solutions coming out. They will start becoming "good enough" for masses and causal gamers which make up the bulk of the revenue for discrete GPU market. It is the main reason why Nvidia has been trying to dist...
by Krogoth
Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:02 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: BEST CHOICE - i7 8700K or i7 7820X ?
Replies: 9
Views: 1062

Re: BEST CHOICE - i7 8700K or i7 7820X ?

8700K is the more cost-effective option if you don't need extra PCIe lanes and can actually find an unit (shortage will likely persist until Q1 2018). 7820X has two more cores and twelve more PCIe 3.0 lanes at its disposal at a higher cost and lower turbo and stock clockspeeds. It can match 8700K in...
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:15 am
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Obsolete IT in the wild
Replies: 122
Views: 5265

Re: Obsolete IT in the wild

Let's not feed the troll, folks. You label people you disagree with trolls? Do you encourage people to use an 8 year old OS? Shame on you if you do. Windows 7 hangers on are one of the major reasons why Microsoft crashed and burned in the mobile space. Just look at the state of the Windows Store to...
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:06 am
Forum: Hot Deals
Topic: LSI SAS9211-8i
Replies: 22
Views: 1291

Re: LSI SAS9211-8

This reminds me of the flood of discarded Westmete Xeons that could easily work any of 1366 boards out there. They were also unlocked on top of that.
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:35 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: 8700k Availability
Replies: 3
Views: 1889

Re: 8700k Availability

Intel rushed Coffee Lake to the market ASAP because they wanted to stop the marketshare hemorrhaging from Ryzen 5 and 7. They didn't take bother take the time to built reserves and stock for a public release. I expect Coffee Lake SKUs to be difficult to obtain until Q1-Q2 2018. It also appears that ...
by Krogoth
Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:55 pm
Forum: TR Distributed Computing Effort
Topic: TR Frankenbot 2017
Replies: 49
Views: 7357

Re: TR Frankenbot 2017

general_tux wrote:
It's looking like we will be able to surpass last October's point total. Hopefully we can sustain >2M PPD!


My Vega 64 should help retain that throughput.
by Krogoth
Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:10 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 5839

Re: Which cpu to get?

Already did it and still came to the same conclusion. Outside of a small minority of mainstream applications and games, the benefits of going from dual-core to quad-core are still kinda small. The majority of the reviewers out there are cherry-picking games that are known to use more than two-threa...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:15 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?
Replies: 31
Views: 3145

Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

I was fairly certain that Volta is not aimed at desktop gamers, but compute users. The miners will lap up Volta, but don't expect massive gains in gaming performance like we had from Maxwell to Pascal. Volta is the replacement for Pascal. Volta will have a range of products, as did Pascal. The arch...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:14 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 5839

Re: Which cpu to get?

The majority of the games and mainstream content on the PC are still single and dual-thread at best with a few outliers go beyond that. Homework for Krogoth: research game performance on systems with just two threads vs. six+ threads. Already did it and still came to the same conclusion. Outside of...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:00 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 5839

Re: Which cpu to get?

How do you intend to explain the 8700K's commanding lead over the 7700K, then? No, background load isn't it. If background load is taking more than a quarter of a single core, your system has issues. You may want to double-check the data from a variety of sources again. Outside of a few mainstream ...
by Krogoth
Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:19 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 5839

Re: Which cpu to get?

The majority of gaming titles only use one or two threads at most. The third thread is barely used if at all (typically audio stuff). Dude, no. We've been over this. That was a common architecture for 7th-gen consoles, but you can't get performance beyond "toaster" out of 8th-gen consoles...
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:08 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?
Replies: 31
Views: 3145

Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

1080, 1070, 1070Ti or 1080Ti. Pascal Titans are overkill and overpriced for 1440p gaming.

1060 6GiB can do it if you willing to cutback on eye candy.
by Krogoth
Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:07 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?
Replies: 31
Views: 3145

Re: Ideal Nvidia card to drive a 1440p 60Hz display?

1080, 1070, 1070Ti or 1080Ti. Pascal Titans are overkill and overpriced for 1440p gaming.
by Krogoth
Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:44 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 5839

Re: Which cpu to get?

Uh, what? Smoother gameplay is 'little to no'? Faster rendering times for photo and video editing? The majority of gaming titles only use one or two threads at most. The third thread is barely used if at all (typically audio stuff). Photo editing is typically I/O limited not CPU-limited unless you ...
by Krogoth
Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:03 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 5839

Re: Which cpu to get?

Now this one we can agree on :D. However, I would caution against using it as a gaming CPU vs. the 8600k unless absolutely price-limited: having four non-HT cores is still a limitation for real-world and/or multiplayer gaming the same as it has been since about the release of the 4000-series, as HT...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:05 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 5839

Re: Which cpu to get?

Sure, those threads won't all be active, but it's unlikely that all four cores of a 4C system will be completely free for the active game. This ++, it's not even the thread, 4C is too few now. My Xeon E3-1270 v5 (= between a Core i7-6700 and a i7-6700K) rocked when new 16 months ago, now it's a not...
by Krogoth
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:59 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Which cpu to get?
Replies: 61
Views: 5839

Re: Which cpu to get?

8350k is a sleeper in its price range. AMD has nothing that can compete against it 4 threads or lower. It should OC like a champ. The extra two cores from its 7350k predecessor makes all of the difference. Now this one we can agree on :D. However, I would caution against using it as a gaming CPU vs...