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by Krogoth
Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:25 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 36
Views: 1474

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

Nah, it was Microsoft's sheer clout (Directdraw/Direct3D) and that GLiDE being out of date that killed it. CUDA already served its purpose for Nvidia for getting a head start in GPGPU marketshare.
by Krogoth
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:43 am
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Security is hard!
Replies: 6
Views: 429

Re: Security is hard!

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/09/in-spectacular-fail-adobe-security-team-posts-private-pgp-key-on-blog/ Epic fail. Not Equifax level epic fail, but epic fail nonetheless. Security is surprising difficult believe or not when you are a big visible target. The human element (main...
by Krogoth
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:33 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 36
Views: 1474

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

And that's just poor design and planning from AMD for gaming, both in unoptimized architectures and the exceedingly poor decision to go with HBM/HBM2. Yet AMD dominates in HPC / compute intensive workloads. When you only have the budget for one fabbed design, you make it count. Well, they dominate ...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:14 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 36
Views: 1474

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

It is because making big pieces of silicon in bulk isn't easy or cheap to do. Nvidia isn't exactly making a ton of GP100 and GP102 chips either but they really don't need to from a fiscal standpoint. Their bread and butter in the gaming market has always been mid-tier SKUs. GP100 is still kinda har...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:56 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

HDR and VRR have two completely different goals in mind.

HDR10 and Dolby Vision are meant for the A/V-videophile market, while VRR is meant for the framerate-junkie gaming market. I doubt they are going to be converging anytime soon.
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:38 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 36
Views: 1474

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

Stands to reason. Also, on the mining front, "but we think it's just a short term fad" isn't such a great justification for not increasing supply any more given that GPU mining has been a thing for, what, about five years now? It ebbs and flows, sure, but so does gamer demand based on wha...
by Krogoth
Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:27 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 36
Views: 1474

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

If Vega had such thing margins then why bother with making gaming SKUs at all? It would just make more fiscal sense to sell them as Froniter/FireGL SKUs. Vegas are making ~$50-$100 of profit per unit sold, while Nvidia is enjoying 2x to 3x times that much on their gaming SKUs. Nvidia's recent fisca...
by Krogoth
Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:10 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 36
Views: 1474

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

If Vega had such thing margins then why bother with making gaming SKUs at all? It would just make more fiscal sense to sell them as Froniter/FireGL SKUs. Vegas are making ~$50-$100 of profit per unit sold, while Nvidia is enjoying 2x to 3x times that much on their gaming SKUs. Nvidia's recent fiscal...
by Krogoth
Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:49 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 36
Views: 1474

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

What severe issues at AMD??? Fudzilla was claiming AMD is losing money on early Vega cards (which maybe, I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is nearly a break-even scenario on the RX Vega 56) but if that is true wouldn't it be "smart" on their part to "slow roll" t...
by Krogoth
Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:43 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems
Replies: 36
Views: 1474

Re: Vega is [also] overpriced because AMD has manufacturing problems

I look at it pretty simply: between gamers, high-end compute, and cryptocurrency miners, AMD can't make enough; rather, if they could make more, they would . There's a production problem somewhere , else AMD would step up to the demand. I'd also hesitate to draw any conclusions between the yields a...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:09 pm
Forum: TR Distributed Computing Effort
Topic: TR Frankenbot 2016: It's Alive!
Replies: 111
Views: 7798

Re: TR Frankenbot 2016: It's Alive!

I decided to throw my Vega 64 for folding to see how well it performs over my previous 660Ti. Vega 64 pulls in a respectable 600K-700K PPD which is about 980Ti and Maxwell Titan territory for somewhat higher power consumption. Pascals are still superior at raw performance and efficiency at folding t...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:10 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: A rather good video by Linus about a Hyperloop team and prototype..
Replies: 7
Views: 921

Re: A rather good video by Linus about a Hyperloop team and prototype..

I like when the Hyperloop back when it was called a "vacuum tunnel". Wasn't the Hyperloop originally going to be based on just reduced pressure tube, in the realm of a "rough vacuum"? I thought it was originally going to have enough air still in the tube so that the pods could r...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:39 am
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: A rather good video by Linus about a Hyperloop team and prototype..
Replies: 7
Views: 921

Re: A rather good video by Linus about a Hyperloop team and prototype..

I like when the Hyperloop back when it was called a "vacuum tunnel". The laws of physics and engineering difficulties haven't changed. The whole project is just a fool's errand to do on the Earth's surface. Airplanes already won by a milestone. It only makes sense in an environment that is...
by Krogoth
Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:34 am
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Darn it, Equifax!
Replies: 68
Views: 3172

Re: Darn it, Equifax!

Internet has never been a secured network or environment. It has always been that way by design. It is just a matter of time and motivation for certain parties to find an exploit against lucrative targets. Better get used to these "leaks" until people start to realize that transmitting sen...
by Krogoth
Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:35 pm
Forum: Echo Vale
Topic: Rear audio jacks on new motherboards
Replies: 9
Views: 625

Re: Rear audio jacks on new motherboards

It is a cost-cutting measure since analog audio is going away in customer-tier stuff. Multi-channel stuff is being throw towards HDMI and DP via an digital receiver. You can still find the old six-eight 3.5mm jack on motherboards but they tend to be only found on high-end tier stuff.
by Krogoth
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:35 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

Wattage is more like 240W, but that's the kind of return that miners have been banking on. It is actually less than that. The user was underclocking and undervolting the crap out of the chip trying to find a sweet spot. Vega chip doesn't consume that much power if you tone things down. HBM2 memory ...
by Krogoth
Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:13 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

I look forward to facepalming as people upgrade from a 1060 6GB to a 1160 (somewhere close to 1070 performance seems reasonable) when using 1080p 60Hz monitors. That will only prove how much better NV over AMD in the GPU selling business. NV gives zero **** about winning pointless GPU SJW battles. ...
by Krogoth
Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:22 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Goodbye Vega 56 at MSRP
Replies: 211
Views: 7888

Re: Goodbye Vega 56 at MSRP

Have you ever used freesync? Doubt it but you've read a few old reviews and now suddenly you're an expert. Give me a break please. You're talking utter and complete nonsense without any practical experience. My experience with freesync on a fury Pro and Vega 64 has been flawless and I'd even say am...
by Krogoth
Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:20 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

Supply is the stupid one. GP104 supply ended up trashed due to reasons outside of Nvidia's control. With Vega. It looks like AMD didn't wait to wait for a batch of HBM2/Vega chips which would be ready in October if rumor is correct. Late September/early October is enough time to hit holiday seasona...
by Krogoth
Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:14 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Goodbye Vega 56 at MSRP
Replies: 211
Views: 7888

Re: Goodbye Vega 56 at MSRP

For Vega owners that jumped on 'Free'Sync? You can keep praying for those magic drivers that never come, because you won't have anything decent to upgrade to. What do you have against FreeSync? Sure, there have been a few issues with Polaris, but that's apparently been cleared up in the latest driv...
by Krogoth
Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:13 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

Because it is the fastest Freesync-capable GPU on the market right now that happens to be a very powerful customer-tier GPGPU. Vega 64 easily matches fully enabled Titan XP at most GPGPU stuff (most recent drivers for Titan) for less $$$$. Not everything revolves around silly games. The tech does s...
by Krogoth
Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:51 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

I say the 1.75% RX cards vs 17% GTX 1xxx cards will continue with Vega because it's a year late and has only one slight advantage. Why would you shell out $400-$600 of today dollars for: - performance from a year ago - missing a year of experience for the drivers - missing a year of devs/engines ge...
by Krogoth
Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:43 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

Vega has demand simply because people are going out of their way in getting the damn cards despite their massively inflated prices from cypto-currency crazy. Why is this so difficult to grasp? Lack of demand would mean that cards would still on shelves collecting dust and retailer/etailers would do...
by Krogoth
Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:10 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

Not quiet, the 1070 + 1080 are 5% of the 17% that just Pascal has of Steam survey. Im going to also counter that Vega has any demand, considering it has similar profile as RX and the RX cards are 1-3/4% of Steam survey share. I had same view as you until a few days ago when i checked Steam HW surve...
by Krogoth
Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:57 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

They're not 'supposed' to increase production now. They're stuck. And that's true for all of their products and limitations. Point is, they can't make enough for the very meager demand that exists, and the ones they can make are expensive. Vega line-up has very strong demand for it as much you woul...
by Krogoth
Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:24 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

It is kinda hard to ramp up production when your memory supplies are tight. This is also effecting Nvidia with their GP100 and soon GV100 SKUs. Nvidia won its gambit for this round for sticking with GDDR5X on their non-GPGPU SKUs. 1070, 1080 and 1080Ti are still ptough sales for those looking for an...
by Krogoth
Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:15 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

Why Vega is a Failure with a capital F: 1) You won't be able to buy one anywhere near MSRP for months. Unless you've spent tons of dough on a FreeSync display, it makes sense to just grab Pascal. 2) Power consumption is stupid for the performance. (Lesser) Enthusiasts sites are recommending that bu...
by Krogoth
Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:09 am
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: The Farthest -- Voyager in Space
Replies: 22
Views: 1211

Re: The Farthest -- Voyager in Space

The Voyager craft have been amazing, but if I were a scientist (and I'm not), I'd be somewhat uneasy about trusting the accuracy of the onboard instrumentation for tiny variations and such. Didn't both craft make close passes to Jupiter (heavy radiation)? It was originally a concern back in the day...
by Krogoth
Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:54 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Which upgrade for more FPS, from an i5-3570K GTX 970
Replies: 22
Views: 1722

Re: Which upgrade for more FPS, from an i5-3570K GTX 970

It sounds like the GPU is the bottleneck and upgrading may help things. I wouldn't bother with a CPU upgrade unless you plan on doing streaming. Games are still ruled by clockspeed/IPC and they hasn't been that much of an improvement since Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge. It is probably more practical just ...
by Krogoth
Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:12 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Vega Meta Analysis
Replies: 130
Views: 4441

Re: Vega Meta Analysis

It's a failure to me because it's so power hungry. +1 I wanted a flagship card and would have been ok with taking Vega64+Freesync vs a 1080Ti+Vsync if the power consumption was lower. Exactly this. Unless RTG and GloFo can pull a rabbit out of their collective as*** ^H hats with future steppings, V...