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by Concupiscence
Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Cascade Lake-X HEDT to go up against Threadripper 3
Replies: 43
Views: 4314

Re: Cascade Lake-X HEDT to go up against Threadripper 3

Seeing Intel price that 12/24 core CPU at nearly $700 versus the far cheaper (and more PCIe lane) 3900X is funny, especially with the gap in motherboard pricing. It's a great time to be an enthusiast. That it is. I dunno how the 3900x’s PCIe lane situation stacks up - I thought it was a 24 lane par...
by Concupiscence
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:16 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Cascade Lake-X HEDT to go up against Threadripper 3
Replies: 43
Views: 4314

Re: Cascade Lake-X HEDT to go up against Threadripper 3

Good God. I felt like I'd gotten a decent deal on my 7940x at ~$1100 after taxes before, but that's unquestionably better. Still, refined 14nm++ process or no, those clocks are nosebleed high... I can only wonder what the real power and thermal demands are gonna be.
by Concupiscence
Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Ryzen 3000 on ITX B450 VRM question
Replies: 11
Views: 2918

Re: Ryzen 3000 on ITX B450 VRM question

I don't remember where I read it, but under load a 3900x apparently doesn't pull more power than a 2700x thanks to its die shrink. People ran 2700x's in B350 and B450 motherboards all the time, so unless your board has a reputation for a badly underbuilt VRM it will probably work fine with proper c...
by Concupiscence
Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:07 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Ryzen 3000 on ITX B450 VRM question
Replies: 11
Views: 2918

Re: Ryzen 3000 on ITX B450 VRM question

I don't remember where I read it, but under load a 3900x apparently doesn't pull more power than a 2700x thanks to its die shrink. People ran 2700x's in B350 and B450 motherboards all the time, so unless your board has a reputation for a badly underbuilt VRM it will probably work fine with proper co...
by Concupiscence
Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:15 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: AMD Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 series
Replies: 88
Views: 7638

Re: AMD Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 series

Not surprise at all. New nodes almost always have production issues within the first few years of life. At least TSMC's 7nm process is producing viable product(s) unlike Intel's 10nm process so far (only prototypes and paper launches). Expect prices hikes in 2020 from both camps on the desktop/lapt...
by Concupiscence
Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:28 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Lower than hoped for Cinebench performance from an i9 7940x...
Replies: 28
Views: 3400

Re: Lower than hoped for Cinebench performance from an i9 7940x...

I know it's not kosher to necrobump, but I'm gonna swallow my pride and say that I found out why the 7940x wasn't performing well. Apparently sleep deprivation and system building don't go together... When it was time to install the Dark Rock 4, I failed to notice the "remove this before instal...
by Concupiscence
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Cascade Lake-X HEDT to go up against Threadripper 3
Replies: 43
Views: 4314

Re: Cascade Lake-X HEDT to go up against Threadripper 3

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-confirms-cascade-lake-x-hedt-and-i9-9900ks-launching-next-month How did they get 74% increase in performance[1] per dollar[2]? Add 5% performance and cut the price by 40%? [1]performance measured in single thread application using new accelerators within architectu...
by Concupiscence
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:46 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Cascade Lake-X HEDT to go up against Threadripper 3
Replies: 43
Views: 4314

Re: Cascade Lake-X HEDT to go up against Threadripper 3

By and large it looks like an incremental update to Skylake-X . Spectre and Meltdown mitigations are nice and there's a slight bump to AVX-512 support, so if anybody out there's ravening for LGA 2066 it'll probably be the best option. I've got a sneaking feeling Threadripper v3 is going to be quite ...
by Concupiscence
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: AMD Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 series
Replies: 88
Views: 7638

Re: AMD Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 series

I dunno, there's just such a thing as statistical variability and margins of error. "I'm being cheated out of less than 50 of my promised 4,600 MHz" is the kind of first world problem that makes my ears burn. If AMD can make improvements to speeds that are already incredible, then that's g...
by Concupiscence
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: AMD Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 series
Replies: 88
Views: 7638

Re: AMD Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 series

In an age when <100 MHz is almost a rounding error it's disheartening to see people get so mad that their Ryzen's missing a "promised" boost clock by 50 Mhz or so. Really, guys, the value for the money is still preposterous. Just be happy.
by Concupiscence
Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:09 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: Let's take a look at the VP9 decoding performance of 20 different processors!
Replies: 69
Views: 23765

Re: Let's take a look at the VP9 decoding performance of 20 different processors!

486-DX2 @ 80MHz w/ 128MB of RAM (had to max out the RAM to prevent it from completely running out of memory) Time for Opera to display a single 3840x2160 frame taken from the video (in .jpg format) 26 minutes, 10 seconds ... -I just realized that the 486 may have had an easier time drawing that mas...
by Concupiscence
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Let's take a look at the VP9 decoding performance of 20 different processors!
Replies: 69
Views: 23765

Re: Let's take a look at the VP9 decoding performance of 20 different processors!

I have been trying to optimize my ancient laptop to playback VP9 (or youtube) on lightweight Linux. The laptop is 2ghz Celeron from 2007, with 2gb of DDR2 666mhz. It has some ATI mobile GPU (I don't remember the model at the moment, but that shouldn't matter). Is it possible to use hardware acceler...
by Concupiscence
Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:56 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Something's different...
Replies: 1529
Views: 69022

Re: Something's different...

Insulting the new editor in chief and minimizing her capabilities and contributions is a bad look, gang. I'm out of this thread and not looking back. Anybody who wants to reach me can PM.
by Concupiscence
Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:05 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Something's different...
Replies: 1529
Views: 69022

Re: Something's different...

I agree with SS and drfish. Shame on me. Curious point though, Where did Conlusio's post go? >.> not sure, i'm not a mod and idk what post you're referring to. That being said if it did break the rules then i'm sure our capable mods have rectified it. He said he was scrubbing himself and his post h...
by Concupiscence
Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:31 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Something's different...
Replies: 1529
Views: 69022

Re: Something's different...

I don't really have anything awful to say about Renee's Four Essentials article. It's a skim of aggregated links, and the sort of thing that a whole lot of sites push out reflexively as grist for the content mill. You can bemoan that TR's doing What Other Sites Do Now, but it's activity that keeps m...
by Concupiscence
Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:06 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Something's different...
Replies: 1529
Views: 69022

Re: Something's different...

I get the feeling the new management's goose is cooked in the eyes of long-term fans almost regardless of their actions on the main page. Just look at this thread. It's regrettable I was never able to make it out to the BBQ. At this rate the 2020 event won't be connected to Tech Report except in the...
by Concupiscence
Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:18 am
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Something's different...
Replies: 1529
Views: 69022

Re: Something's different...

There's an article on the front page by the new EIC, and comments are closed. No dissent's gonna be brooked here, apparently. Jesus Christ.
by Concupiscence
Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:18 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: AMD Navi / RDNA Topic
Replies: 121
Views: 11479

Re: AMD Navi / RDNA Topic

On that note, what's the deal with non-reference graphics cards suddenly ALL being over-height?? My Silverstone GD-07B is somewhat height-constricted (CM 212-series HSFs do not fit), and it's looking like finding aftermarket-cooled GPUs is going to be a PITA moving forward. :x They're all going for...
by Concupiscence
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:34 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Radeon VII Goes to an ELO Concert!
Replies: 19
Views: 1937

Re: Radeon VII Goes to an ELO Concert!

I'd like to propose chuckula for "speedy deletion". *gasp* But his unending screeching at AMD and narcissistic injury when he's called on it are such an integral part of the Tech Report experience! No, we'll be hearing about What AMD Did until he dies, and then he'll pay for bots in his l...
by Concupiscence
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:17 am
Forum: Graphics
Topic: Radeon VII Goes to an ELO Concert!
Replies: 19
Views: 1937

Re: Radeon VII Goes to an ELO Concert!

I'd like to propose chuckula for "speedy deletion". *gasp* But his unending screeching at AMD and narcissistic injury when he's called on it are such an integral part of the Tech Report experience! No, we'll be hearing about What AMD Did until he dies, and then he'll pay for bots in his l...
by Concupiscence
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Something's different...
Replies: 1529
Views: 69022

Re: Something's different...

I'll let bygones be bygones. Let's just fix the interface, make introductions, and forge a path ahead. Sound good?
by Concupiscence
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: The Back Porch
Topic: Something's different...
Replies: 1529
Views: 69022

Re: Something's different...

Holy God, you step away for a little while and then everything goes nutso. What a lousy rollout - my dinky iPhone SE can't even *read* threaded comments on the main page below a certain depth, they get squashed into a one word per line oblivion.Neither reorienting my phone nor requesting a desktop s...
by Concupiscence
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: AMD Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 series
Replies: 88
Views: 7638

Re: AMD Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 series

edit: It appears the 4+3 phase VRM in my Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 would be adequate for a Ryzen 3900x. It'd be a huge upgrade over the Ryzen 1700 currently installed in it, though it'll definitely be time to put the existing DDR4-2400 in that box out to pasture. I'm not sure whether it's wise to put ...
by Concupiscence
Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:28 am
Forum: Processors
Topic: 16 COARZ.... Not announced by AMD
Replies: 104
Views: 9020

Re: 16 COARZ.... Not announced by AMD

The test don't stress memory bandwidth and I suspect AVX performance isn't that big of a factor. 9980XE will come-on op when memory bandwidth is king and applications that do take full advantage of AVX512. ... and how often does a desktop user bottleneck on memory bandwidth or find themselves using...
by Concupiscence
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Intel cancels their entire desktop CPU line-up
Replies: 30
Views: 5255

Re: Intel cancels their entire desktop CPU line-up

Didn't Zen or Zen+ report some crazy numbers in the CPU-Z benchmark too? IIRC there was something weird about caching that artificially inflated the scores? Our very own chuckula got worked up about it here , but it turned out to be a case of Ryzen's scheduler being smart enough to determine how li...
by Concupiscence
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: AMD Navi / RDNA Topic
Replies: 121
Views: 11479

Re: AMD Navi / RDNA Topic

It turns out that AMD's claim of the Radeon RX 5700 XT being faster than the GeForce RTX 2070 wasn't just specific to the odd super-optimized game title, but a whole selection of games, many of which c ome with GameWorks varnish. It sounds awesome. I can't rationalize upgrading from a Vega 56 to th...
by Concupiscence
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Graphics
Topic: How much VRAM for a casual gamer?
Replies: 12
Views: 2358

Re: How much VRAM for a casual gamer?

The cost difference is pretty minimal. RX 580 4GB for $190 - $20 promo code: https://www.newegg.com/asus-radeon-rx-580-dual-rx580-o4g/p/N82E16814126196 RX 580 8GB for $180 but no promo code: https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-radeon-rx-580-axrx-580-8gbd5-3dhdv2-oc/p/N82E16814131720 So the difference...
by Concupiscence
Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Processors
Topic: Lower than hoped for Cinebench performance from an i9 7940x...
Replies: 28
Views: 3400

Re: Lower than hoped for Cinebench performance from an i9 7940x...

Alright, I may as well conclude this thread and put a bow on it. I went out and acquired a Noctua NF-F12 fan and strapped that onto the be quiet! Dark Rock 4, moving the default SilentWings 3 fan to the other side to push air to the case's vent fan. That definitely helped - Cinebench performance ju...
by Concupiscence
Tue May 28, 2019 9:29 am
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Mobo/Processor switch?
Replies: 26
Views: 2850

Re: Mobo/Processor switch?

I voted 'no' on account that when you disturb 10yo hardware and try to drop in 6+yo hardware, you're likely to discover just how many things are about to break and/or are mysteriously incompatible on both system configs. Then you end up sandwiched between a rock where the new one doesn't work when ...
by Concupiscence
Thu May 23, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: Motherboards, Chipsets, & RAM
Topic: Mobo/Processor switch?
Replies: 26
Views: 2850

Re: Mobo/Processor switch?

At the risk of wandering far afield from OP's request for advice, I'm gonna agree with just brew it! here. Bulldozer was flat awful - outside of its new instruction set support it was reliably slower per-clock than the K10 parts it sought to replace, it ran hot as hell, and had weird bottlenecking a...
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