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Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:28 pm

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-c ... =social_fb

Don't know enough to have an opinion, but it makes for a nice Tuesday Night Topic.
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:57 am

The "evidence" is completely uncorroborated by any external source.

Can I believe that someone like him, who seems to be a con-man with a kinda/sorta understanding of technology and a penchant for self-promotion, would claim that they are Nakamoto and would orchestrate events in furtherance of that claim?

Yes. Yes I can.

This guy claims to own not one, but two supercomputers. Anyone here ought to know enough to realize that such a claim makes *NO SENSE* from a technology enthusiast POV but makes PLENTY OF SENSE from a con-man marketing perspective, or the "I KNOW TECH, LOOK AT MY BEOWULF CLUSTER" self-delusion angle. It's a monstrous red-flag.

He got raided by the police almost immediately after this article, which suggests that this might just be some feverish ploy for him to escape the web of lies, frauds and deceptions he's built and is now entangled in. It doesn't even have to make rational sense really, it might just be psychological escapism: "But if *I* was Satoshi I'd have all this money and options and people would still revere me etc..."
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:23 am

Ick, just look at this stuff:

Wired wrote:
an eccentric who wrote on his blog that he once accepted a challenge to create a pencil from scratch and spent years on the problem, going so far as to make his own bricks to build his own kiln in which to mix the pencil’s graphite.


Oh, he wrote that he did, huh? :roll:

Like, I'm not sure that these supercomputers even exist:

http://www.top500.org/project/call_for_participation/

Most of the institutions that have actual supercomputers would have no reason to lie, this Wright guy absolutely does. If you look at the criteria, you make a submission,

TOP500 wrote:
Submissions

The submission site is now open. Please visit http://top500.org/submit. You might need to create a new account to be able to submit systems.


fake the results

TOP500 wrote:
Performance numbers for the Linpack benchmark are collected and updated by Jack Dongarra (dongarra@cs.utk.edu). Please report any Linpack performance numbers directly to him.


and from there it seems like they might call someone to see if it actually exists?

TOP500 wrote:
Verification

In addition to cross checking different sources of information, we select randomly a statistical representative sample of the first 500 systems of our database. For these systems we ask the supplier of the information to establish direct contact between the installation site and us to verify the given information. This gives us basic information about the quality of the list in total.


Because why, in LATE 2014, would someone need a "Supercomputer" to do SHA-256(SHA-256(x)) when the market was flooded with ASICs for YEARS that would utterly outperform it.

Or to model Bitcoin Scalability? Like, what?

And he built a ~20,000 node (it's listed as 265,440 cores of E5-2695v2) supercomputer?

http://www.top500.org/site/50547

The article implies that this was for a $1 million:

Wired wrote:
Wright’s blogging and leaked emails describe a man so committed to an unproven cryptocurrency idea that he mortgaged three properties and invested more than $1 million in computers, power, and connectivity—even going so far as to lay fiberoptic cables to his remote rural home in eastern Australia to mine the first bitcoins. His company, Tulip Trading, built two supercomputers that have officially ranked among the top 500 in the world, both seemingly related to his cryptocurrency projects.


Yes, it doesn't explicitly say that, but TOP500 lists that the CO1N computer is in North Ryde, NSW, which HAS to be the same "remote rural" location they were referring to.

But, see, the CPUs alone, while rounding down EACH number, cost over 40 million.

This doesn't past the smell test. We're supposed to believe that this person has spent at least a 100 million dollars towards buying supercomputers to do vague and mysterious things that make no sense to anyone who knows anything.

I don't believe that ANY of this is real.
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:55 pm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/23 ... rs/?page=1

LOL, one of these is not like the others. Anyone notice anything about #3?

Did anyone call SGI and ask them if they sold this guy a ~100 million dollar system? It's kind of hard to miss, we're talking about well-over 100 completely full racks. Beyond just that, you need significant infrastructure: a data-center-like facility and upgraded power delivery. Does this thing even have a notional address?

Because he's hosting "SGI Letterhead" on his site, but I can't find anything from SGI.

http://cloudcroft.com.au/assets/150326_ ... sement.pdf

Which is beyond weird, because normally if you want such a thing, and you just paid them 100 MILLION FOR IT, they'll do a complete press release. They don't give you 'official letterhead' that you post on YOUR site. :roll:

Just look: https://www.sgi.com/company_info/newsro ... ases/2015/

Huh, something is missing, isn't it? :P

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Does anyone in Australia want to call? It's the New South Wales office.

https://www.sgi.com/company_info/offices.html

Let's do the job the Tech media won't!

Seriously, how in the name of god didn't any of them look into this. It's SCREAMING at me! Don't these guys know what reality looks like enough to realize this guy isn't it?

God, read his supercomputer blog:

http://cloudcroft.com.au/blog_developin ... ngtool.php

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Have you EVER read ANYTHING by ANYONE anywhere who is even REMOTELY SERIOUS that sounds ANYTHING LIKE THAT????

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Ray: Yes! So this is the overall view for everything and if you click down into one of the nodes here, you go into an individual node page. Within each node we’ve got standardised tabs that we are hoping will be really useful. First there is a history which is a chronology of events. That way you can back pedal and see where something went wrong. Next is health, which is ping, bandwidth, uptime, and these all have individual tabs within themselves showing if an application is down and all that, that way you don’t have to RDP for VNC into a node to find out if something is not so good.


Yes, because my nodes run Windows and need a natively hosted GUI.

:o

Moronic Crook wrote:
Craig: Of course the issue is that we have to make sure it is secure first of all and set up encryption keys between all the different nodes which adds a lot of overhead and making sure these are actually managed and monitored and correctly is difficult to say the least.


What what whaht what hwhat ahwhat?

WUT?

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and then there’s the issue of if someone remotes into a node or is working on it through this command line, we need to not have overlap or crashing – too many chefs in the kitchen. So we’ve got this maintenance mode which is basically switching one machine or several machines by bulk into maintenance mode, adding a comment, adding your name and date stamp, but also a duration for 30 minutes or one hour, that way we know someone is working on this and we don’t double up on work.


:o

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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:23 pm

THE LETTERHEAD, OH GAWD MY BRAIN

FRAUD wrote:
SGI offers both accelerator options for its products thus working with Cloudcroft to ensure the next supercomputer stays green, reaches the highest ranks of the T500 list, and continues to perform through innovation is very synergistic.


So SGI doesn't do a press release when this guy buys ~100 million of their kit. In fact, no one did.

But they *did* send him a letter, intended for further dissemination, that ends in complete gibberish, both semantically and syntactically.

That flew right through PR without issue, I'm sure. :P

And that's not the only thing that's completely wrong with it, just the most embarrassingly egregious. It's not even worth discussing the rest, that letter is plainly fraudulent.

This guy isn't Nakamoto, in fact, name anything else he says. He isn't that either.

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Again, what first piqued my interest was his claim to own two supercomputers. If someone said that to my face, my immediate response would be "Get out of my house before I call the police, and kindly return whatever you've already stuffed in your pockets." Why? Because that statement is ridiculous beyond what my usual italics and smile-faces can even convey. The people who say things like that are at best lying dilettantes. Normal people have no use for such a thing, and if you do, you rent one. And if you are an institution that has one, you rent it to people. I've never seen a supercomputer that doesn't have a whole "HOWTO: Allocate time" section.

And yet? What does our Tech media do? :o Oh, completely believe it all wholesale. And then PUBLISH it. :o

I'm aghast, and I had no faith in journalism to begin with. But with this? They're either credulous retards or complicit opportunists.

This is way worse than Dorian, and the people involved are supposed to be better (Tech journalists who have NO FAMILIARITY with the subject?)

With THAT many shibboleths these journalists almost HAVE to be shills to let them slide.

Argh.
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:51 pm

I'm not sure I quite understand how you feel about this Glorious... :lol:

Isn't publishing software somewhat anonymously actually pretty simple? There was that dude Beal Screamer who broke Microsoft's DRM in media player a number of years ago, and to my knowledge no one ever found out who did that either. Even without sites like Github around specifically for the purpose of sharing code it doesn't seem to me like it'd be all that difficult, and when someone does find out who Satoshi is I don't think it'll be a reporter at Wired.

Hey, look! It's a guy with an apparent interest in security who seems to value his privacy and doesn't want to be in the spotlight. Yeah, that hardly ever happens.
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:18 pm

Rebocbew wrote:
Isn't publishing software somewhat anonymously actually pretty simple? There was that dude Beal Screamer who broke Microsoft's DRM in media player a number of years ago, and to my knowledge no one ever found out who did that either. Even without sites like Github around specifically for the purpose of sharing code it doesn't seem to me like it'd be all that difficult, and when someone does find out who Satoshi is I don't think it'll be a reporter at Wired.


Pastebin was practically invented for small scale leaks like that.

Rebocbew wrote:
Hey, look! It's a guy with an apparent interest in security who seems to value his privacy and doesn't want to be in the spotlight. Yeah, that hardly ever happens.


Uhh, "apparent interest in security"? You mean an outright criminal? Someone who likely orchestrated this whole "Nakamoto" thing to begin with?

Wired isn't in the wrong because they exposed someone who wanted to remain private. They're wrong because they "exposed" someone who wanted the exact opposite.

Look at the wired article:

Wired wrote:
The first evidence pointing to Wright appeared in mid-November, when an anonymous source close to Wright began leaking documents to Gwern Branwen, a pseudonymous, independent security researcher and dark web analysis


This "source" is probably Wright. Heck, are we sure "Gwern" isn't Wright too?

Wired wrote:
There’s also a PDF authored by Kleiman, who died in April of 2013, in which he agrees to take control of a trust fund, codenamed the “Tulip Trust,” containing 1.1 million bitcoins. The PDF is signed with Kleiman’s PGP signature, a cryptographic technique that ensures it couldn’t have been altered post-signature.


In other words, there is no proof that such a trove exists. There's no proof that Kleiman signed it either, because Kleiman is dead and thus his "close friend and confident" could have signed it using Kleiman's credentials. The time is also completely meaningless, you need to establish an external synchronicity.

Wired wrote:
McGrathNicol: a liquidation report on one of several companies Wright founded known as Hotwire, an attempt to create a bitcoin-based bank. It shows that the startup was backed in June 2013 by $23 million in bitcoins owned by Wright.


Uh, no. It shows that Wright claimed such a thing and then pretty clearly shows it didn't exist:

http://www.mcgrathnicol.com/app/uploads ... rt-BFK.pdf

report wrote:
The Directors have advised that $30 million was subscribed to by the shareholders in paid up capital and
this was injected via Bitcoins


They advised that they did this. In other words, they simply said they did. McGrathNicol never independently verified any of it. They didn't purport to either, that's not what they do. I actually already suspected that one of the persons in the incorporation was a fraudulent personage; a sock-puppet for Wright.

Why? He wanted government money:

report wrote:
Given the Company’s main activity was research and development of (uncommercialised) software, it was
reliant on the ongoing support of its shareholders and research development credits (“R&D credits”) from
the ATO to meet its day to day trading costs.


He also want VAT refunds for transactions that never occurred.

report wrote:
Further to incurring a range of expenses, the Company lodged its GST return for the September 2013
quarter, claiming a GST refund of $3.1 million (“the GST refund”)


The government says, uh, like no? Can you prove that you are doing anything at all?

report wrote:
After various discussions and
correspondence, the ATO issued a notice to the Company on 20 January 2014 notifying that it intended to
withhold the refund pending further verification of transactions and the treatment of Bitcoin.


He obviously couldn't, and the company folds:

report wrote:
Following continued efforts to secure the GST refund and attempts to raise funding from other sources
(which were ultimately unsuccessful), the Directors resolved that the Company was insolvent and
appointed Administrators on 28 April 2014.


Like, you don't even really have to read between the lines. It's leaking off the page.

And what does Wired say?

Wired wrote:
At the time of the company’s incorporation, Wright’s investment in that one firm alone represented more than 1.5 percent of all existing bitcoins, a strangely large stash for an unknown player in the bitcoin world.


Their credulity is killing me.

HOW STUPID ARE THEY?

If you read that McGrathNicol report you realize that this "company" never had a dime (Cash at bank? LITERALLY ZERO section 10.1), and the only transactions it ever concluded were on paper and with other wright entities.

This is textbook fraud, of the "idiotic fraud for dummies" variety.

This guy isn't a victim, he's a CRIMINAL who has, astoundingly and with the flimsiest amount of effort, bamboozled "tech journalists".
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:31 pm

Glorious wrote:
He got raided by the police almost immediately after this article, which suggests that this might just be some feverish ploy for him to escape the web of lies, frauds and deceptions he's built and is now entangled in. It doesn't even have to make rational sense really, it might just be psychological escapism: "But if *I* was Satoshi I'd have all this money and options and people would still revere me etc..."

The two might be related, but right now the Australian authorities are saying it's totally separate: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-austr ... AB20151209
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:47 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
he two might be related, but right now the Australian authorities are saying it's totally separate: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-austr ... AB20151209


No, I meant they were related in his own mind. The Government doesn't care about any of this Nakamoto malarky, however, he probably does.

He's evidently in trouble for tax fraud, which is unsurprising because if you aren't an outright idiot that's exactly what the McGrathNicol liquidation report shows him attempting to do 2 or so years ago. And he has numerous interrelated shell companies so god only knows what else he's been up to.

He probably knew that this was finally catching up to him, and maybe he had played around at pretending to be Satoshi before. The Wired article is again incredible:

Wired wrote:
Some of the clues added to his blog were made more than 20 months ago—a very patient deception if it were one.


Gee, Wired, what happened ~20 months ago?

Oh, right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_N ... n_Nakamoto

This seriously just be might be psychological escapism, because the world was collapsing around him. Why not pretend that you are some great, secretive rich genius when you are on the cusp of being exposed as stupid penniless lying criminal? He obviously had aspirations, claiming numerous degrees (two PhDs, a new graduate degree every year?!!?!) that Wired never seemed to verify (they didn't even list who conferred them ... :roll: ) and pretending to own a supercomputer.

I hate psychology, but in this case it's unavoidable: Delusional narcissists like him don't handle identity collapse very well, and what he is doing (did you read the hilarious exchanges with "Tessier-Ashpool" that Wired detailed? :o ), adapting another persona, is a very common coping mechanism.

He had to know that the raid or something like it was coming eventually. The Government has clearly been asking him questions for years. It started out with "What on earth are you talking about?" and then it starts getting into "Ok I see, but how did you do this kind of thing when ...." then it's "We know what you are trying to do, and it's illegal. It's not within our remit, but we're advising you to stop and we're notifying the appropriate agencies" then it's "We have subpeonas" then "serving process" and finally "warrants". (Or their Australian equivalents, which are probably exactly the same anyway)
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:19 pm

This guy does sound full of it, though to be fair if I invented Bitcoin and made hundreds of millions of dollars off it, I'd probably buy a secret supercomputer just because I can. I'd also live in a vast underground facility surrounded by hot lady assassins, robot soldiers, and a huge room of those Bitcoin tokens to roll around in, though, so YMMV.
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:46 pm

You forgot the sharks with Frickin Lasers on their heads.

Honestly though, I think this story would have been seen as a lot less interesting if this had turned out to be just some dude without all kinds of shady operations going on. I understand why people would want to know who the inventor of Bitcoin is, but really? Is that really what Wired was after here?
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:14 pm

Wow! I got quoted in the new yorker!

http://www.newyorker.com/business/curre ... or-bitcoin
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:52 am

Glorious wrote:
Wow! I got quoted in the new yorker!

http://www.newyorker.com/business/curre ... or-bitcoin

I'm somewhat surprised that The New Yorker even knows we exist, O "online hardware expert". 8)

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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:19 pm

I don't know why people think Satoshi is an individual. This guy Wright seems to have been making a living trading on the appearance of being at the heart of bitcoin. I can only imagine what he told investors, or perhaps alluded too.

You could make a lot of money representing yourself as someone who's sitting on several hundred million in coins. Throw in the added spice of some sort of narrative of having to remain confidential and "necessary" security revolving around the exact nature of his relationship to crypto currency and it all sounds like a compelling investment to the right person who is going to throw money down his investment blackhole.

When you watch the conference Wright spoke at he seems incredibly disingenuous to me, he's deliberately vague. He has so many qualifications he cant remember them all or where he got them from??? At best he may have been involved early on but even that looks dubious, pretty slim basis for an article from Wired. I would have expected more from them, looks like they got caught up in a race to publish against Gizmodo, now they deserve some criticism for this.

I think he's probably been quietly representing himself or alluding to being Satoshi to private investors for some time. Finally as his "empire" started to collapse one of his investors or employees decided to out him out of spite but it was all a bullsh*t.

Frankly if he wanted to prove he was Nakamoto it would be as easy as moving one piece of currency out of the original account into a account he controlled. Simple as that.

Wait till some of his investors start to speak publically, I bet he spun them quite a yarn...
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Tue May 03, 2016 7:28 am

He's back, and he managed to dupe the BBC, the Economist, and even the lead bitcoin guy.

Incredible.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36168863
http://www.economist.com/news/briefings ... to-bitcoin (apply betteridge's law lol)
http://gavinandresen.ninja/satoshi

I don't even know what to say anymore. :o :roll:
 
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Tue May 03, 2016 11:04 am

Glorious wrote:
http://www.economist.com/news/briefings/21698061-craig-steven-wright-claims-be-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin (apply betteridge's law lol)

That, and the article now has a link to an even more skeptical update:
http://www.economist.com/news/briefings ... i-nakamoto
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Tue May 03, 2016 11:15 am

Misread the headline and thought it said Steven Wright. Whoops. :lol:
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Tue May 03, 2016 11:23 am

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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Tue May 03, 2016 12:23 pm

That one made my head spin.
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Re: Has Satoshi Nakamoto Finally Been Unveiled??

Wed May 11, 2016 12:12 pm

Yeah, I noticed that bbc article the other day. :\

That theregister.co.uk article is a mint of a mockery, probably the best article I've ever read by them.

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