cphite wrote:Judicator wrote:cphite wrote:It'd be one thing if Luke had been prominent in VII but he wasn't - he was barely present until the last few seconds. Character continuity is based on what the characters actually do on screen, or what they're alluded to be doing... you can't reasonably expect continuity with what one director intended to do with the character, but didn't.
Seriously? The first episode of the sequel trilogy, VII, revolved around finding Luke: the map to Luke, where's Luke, Snoke searching for Luke, you sure you did you watch the movies?
Yep, seriously. The episode revolved around finding Luke, not around Luke himself. Luke himself was on screen for less than a minute, and the entire scene consisted of him standing in a robe and looking annoyed that somebody found him.And you contradict yourself: Luke in the OT on screen made choices that are completely antithetic compared to what he did in XIII.
People change, especially after decades of war and personal loss. There is no reason to expect Luke to be the same person that he was during the OT. The whole reason that episode VII revolved around finding Luke was that Luke went into hiding. If Luke was the same kid from the OT he would have never left in the first place, and there'd be no reason to be looking for him.The rest of your post is just your opinion and I have no interest in debating other people's opinions.
LOL!
Dude, the only part of your post that wasn't opinion was the part where you linked to sites that compiled other people's opinions. We're discussing the merits of a work of fiction; it's by definition opinion. So maybe turn down the pretense just a bit, eh?
cphite wrote:Yep, seriously. The episode revolved around finding Luke, not around Luke himself. Luke himself was on screen for less than a minute, and the entire scene consisted of him standing in a robe and looking annoyed that somebody found him.
Sorry, no. Again you contradict yourself: you wrote "if Luke had been prominent in VII", the screen time doesn't necessarily imply he wasn't. Luke was prominent because he was what made the plot go on (MacGuffin, as stated by JJA), as I said, the entire, entire movie revolved around Luke. He is in the crawl text, Kylo kills everyone and gets and Poe tortures him to know where he is, the same for Rey, Snoke tells Kylo to find him, Maz had his lightsaber, R2 had part of the map and wakes up, yeah he just isn't "prominent" at all.
Screen time just isn't necessarily a metric for how "prominent" a character is.
Usually protagonist, deuteragonist have more screen time of secondary characters but how "prominent" a character is a totally different thing. And the idea that he was annoyed it's just your opinion.
cphite wrote:People change, especially after decades of war and personal loss. There is no reason to expect Luke to be the same person that he was during the OT. The whole reason that episode VII revolved around finding Luke was that Luke went into hiding. If Luke was the same kid from the OT he would have never left in the first place, and there'd be no reason to be looking for him.
People change, thanks, now I remember that little thing of life.
Fans, the majority, like it or not, disagree *HOW* Luke changed not that he changed.The very same Mark Hamill many times stated publicly his opinion on how bad those choices were, because there was no continuity.
Now don't get mad at me but between Mark Hamill and you I trust Mark just a little more (not counting the majority of fans that share the same reasoning).
cphite wrote:LOL!
Dude, the only part of your post that wasn't opinion was the part where you linked to sites that compiled other people's opinions. We're discussing the merits of a work of fiction; it's by definition opinion. So maybe turn down the pretense just a bit, eh?
Wrong, again. I posted facts: revievs, Luke "prominent in VII" as a MacGuffin, and another link to a YT video where Mark Hamill speaks his mind about how bad the choices RJ made for Luke, so, yeah, whatever, keep LOL!-ing.