Cuhulin wrote:I think all that the people pointing out the references to age are saying is that people should be judged individually, not based on "group think".
People know their family & friends. He wasn't remotely suggesting that we should randomly accost the elderly and badger them about their computer security.
And who is being judged? Certainly not you, as much you as you guys are desperate to unnecessarily tell us how unexceptionally exceptional you are. There's no real "judgment" in any sense behind the entirely harmless idea of "gee, maybe I should talk to my grandmom about how she does her banking on her PC now."
Cuhulin wrote:I doubt there would have been any disagreement if the message had simply suggested a conversation with parents to determine whether they were technically savvy about phishing scams and, if not, step up to make sure they were protected - just as one might evaluate whether an aging parent is still safe to drive and, if not, get them to hand over their car keys. This wasn't about "me", it is about treating people as individuals. I use me as an example - everyone is an individual.
Wow. See, that really is a judgment. Asking about the car keys, no matter how sensitively or "fairly", is making a decision about whether or not they can continue to do something.
The fact that you'd equate that with simply educating someone, an action that is neither decisive nor conclusive, indicates that you've had an absurd overreaction to a completely non-controversial situation. No one was ever contemplating confiscating a computer, but rather empowering and educating people.
So while you continue to pretend that people aren't aware that their family & friends are individuals I'm being to suspect that maybe you are worried that someone is trying to take *your* keyboard away or something.
cuhulin wrote:What I do know is that I have been bothered by "group think" for a very long time
Not long enough to properly know what it is, evidently. You are describing stereotypes and garden variety prejudice about out-groups. Not only is that not what "groupthink" actually is, it's also not remotely what *this* is: Parents aren't an outgroup (save for contextually-irrelevant adolescent angst).
cuhulin wrote:Part of me simply remembered Ronald Reagan saying he would not hold Walter Mondale's youth and relative inexperience against him.
I can appreciate the humor, but not the subtext: you are directly implying that your response here involves more than a little generational resentment. A response that is wholly out-of-place towards someone's agenda of simple and honest filial piety.
DrJ wrote:Absolutely right. If you are working with family members, you see them often enough to judge how well they are doing mentally. There is no need to tie it to age.
Guys, are you still rolling with the idea we're so unbelievably socially-retarded that we need to be TOLD to assess the suitability of this advice in regards to our own family?
That, literally, upon receipt of this very simple message we're all immediately going to start flailing our robotic arms around as we approach our parents saying "PARENTAL UNIT BE ADVISED: ARE YOU AWARE THAT USE OF RANSOMWARE IS CONTRA-INDICATED?"
DrJ wrote:But I do respond very negatively to how people characterize those who are older.
Not to be matched with how negatively I respond to those who mischaracterize and misappropriate the words of others, which is exactly what you and cuhulin are doing here, shamelessly.
DrJ wrote:When I was in grad school, Joel Hildebrand, of regular solution theory fame, came in every day well into his early 100s. He had a handful of post docs, most of whom were in their 70s. I have been and continue to be surrounded by them, and I won't go into more here.
Please, please, continue to tell me how utterly normal you are. The incessant name-dropping really establishes that you're just one of the guys, just like everyone else.
You see, we can't talk about "people" because one of those people might be "you" and that's really important. Because you're really important.
DrJ wrote:As for having a chip on my shoulder, I don't think so. After having run into age bias, which is real in R&D, I simply gave up on traditional employment and founded my own company. It has outlasted many of the places I interviewed
This is completely self-refuting. It's self-parody.
DrJ wrote:and I no longer give a cr*p about what anyone else does.
As evidenced by what you've written here, assuredly.
DrJ wrote:I give up. The OP is irrational
You asked for a quote, he immediately and directly complied.
Then he's irrational.
Yes. Please give up.