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Re: Rogue One

Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:08 pm

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He's already been cast: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2403277/

Well, here's to hoping he can pull it off.  (..and yup, I'll watch an early Solo - after all I've seen an early Indie that went well, though only briefly.)
 
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Re: Rogue One

Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:00 am

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tanker27 wrote:
He's already been cast: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2403277/

Well, here's to hoping he can pull it off.  (..and yup, I'll watch an early Solo - after all I've seen an early Indie that went well, though only briefly.)


As long as he shoots first without any ambiguity thrown in. ;)
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Re: Rogue One

Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:08 am

I don't mind a little controversy.  :lol:

(..btw, I liked that he shot first.  Lucas was a total Jar Jar Binks for corrupting that aspect of his character.) :P
 
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Re: Rogue One

Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:56 pm

I forgot who complained that they felt Jyn and Cassian teleported to the beach.... I was reviewing my copy this afternoon, there are three shots from different cameras, Jyn and Cassian up top, staggering away, then one of a door opening and them stepping through, then a silent face-to-face with the two slumped against the elevator wall with a light sweeping bottom-to-top over and over as they pass floors. I think it's pretty clear, actually.
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Re: Rogue One

Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:27 pm

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I forgot who complained that they felt Jyn and Cassian teleported to the beach.... I was reviewing my copy this afternoon, there are three shots from different cameras, Jyn and Cassian up top, staggering away, then one of a door opening and them stepping through, then a silent face-to-face with the two slumped against the elevator wall with a light sweeping bottom-to-top over and over as they pass floors. I think it's pretty clear, actually.

Agreed, as I do recall the Trek "turbolift" effect.

That said, it didn't take long to suss out that in order not to throw unfixable wrenches in 4-6 continuity there would be no survivors. The only question would be the manner and quality.

I have no idea if it's a stand-alone project Disney has even thought of, but I would like at some point to see the Bothans' sacrifice get its day on film (what/who ever Bothans may be).

Finally, whoever was running DS targeting at Scarif should be damn glad that Vader was not on board. At least that guy died quickly from blaster fire.
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Re: Rogue One

Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:41 am

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Well, since one of the Disney stand-alones is supposed to be Han Solo's origin story, I think you'll get your wish.


Damn, already? Guess I shouldn't be surprised Disney was ready and waiting to jump into another.

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I have no idea if it's a stand-alone project Disney has even thought of, but I would like at some point to see the Bothans' sacrifice get its day on film (what/who ever Bothans may be).


You can be sure beyond any doubt Disney thought of it, probably was high on the list of possible Star Wars universe projects. They're going to make as many Star Wars universe flicks as they can to pair alongside 8 and 9 and just want to put some space between it and Rogue One. It'd probably come off as too similar to Rogue One in plot if they made it anytime soon.
 
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Re: Rogue One

Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:20 am

We get VIII this year, so we can probably expect the next non-serial in 2018. Unless they want to be even more aggressive...

But at least Rogue One puts on a good start for the 'Star Wars Stories' in cinema, leaving people more open to the idea of others that perhaps explore the universe (as it now exists) from other perspectives.
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Re: Rogue One

Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:23 am

Unless civilization ends, I expect Disney to be making movies set in the Star Wars universe well past my expiration date. They know a cash cow when they see it.

(And I'll keep going to see them as long as they manage to keep the quality up.)
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Re: Rogue One

Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:37 am

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Unless civilization ends, I expect Disney to be making movies set in the Star Wars universe well past my expiration date. They know a cash cow when they see it.
(And I'll keep going to see them as long as they manage to keep the quality up.)

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Re: Rogue One

Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:00 am

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$4,050,000,000 is a significant investment.  They expect to make it back.

Well, they're at least halfway there with the first 2 films alone above and beyond merchandising and the inevitable Blu-Ray profits. Of course, due to Hollywood Accounting the films will officially lose money (to the detriment of all the actors), but no one ever believes that crap.
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Re: Rogue One

Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:05 am

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just brew it! wrote:
Unless civilization ends, I expect Disney to be making movies set in the Star Wars universe well past my expiration date. They know a cash cow when they see it.
(And I'll keep going to see them as long as they manage to keep the quality up.)

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017 ... -wars.html
$4,050,000,000 is a significant investment.  They expect to make it back.

I wonder if they make more money on the movies, or the merchandising and brand licensing? The two go hand-in-hand, of course; the merch and such would be less lucrative if they didn't keep cranking out the movies.
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Re: Rogue One

Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:50 am

Great SW movie with the usual inconsistencies, including WWII-style fighting and doctrine. From the midpoint on it becomes a straightforward war story that reminds me somewhat of Shout at The Devil, except that it's the daughter and not the father who comes after the enemy commander.

It paid homage to heroic actions by teams at all levels that were instrumental in delivering the plans. If not for the ordinary rebel troops who gave their lives to get literally a step ahead of their enemies, everything else would have been in vain.

One reason why they they didn't show Krennic's end may be that his character is an obvious candidate for Rey's absentee father in TFA. That's my speculation, and it's past time anyway for the Imperials to have their own light/dark cycle mirroring that of the Skywalkers. The many scenes of political machinations among the Emperor's admirals may be a set up for a backstory along these lines.
 
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Re: Rogue One

Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:03 pm

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Maybe they are working their way backwards in time with the Star Wars Story franchise.. Maybe the next one will be a piece between Ep. 3 and Rogue One... :D

Well, since one of the Disney stand-alones is supposed to be Han Solo's origin story, I think you'll get your wish.

They should make a Mace Windu prequel movie. Call it... call it 'Siths on a Plane'. Not PG-13.
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Re: Rogue One

Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:46 pm

"I am tired of these motherfracking Siths on this motherfracking plane."
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Re: Rogue One

Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:18 pm

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"I am tired of these motherfracking Siths on this motherfracking plane."

-it's said that it is a requirement he has in most of his movies. :lol:  
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:37 pm

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That said, it didn't take long to suss out that in order not to throw unfixable wrenches in 4-6 continuity there would be no survivors. The only question would be the manner and quality.


I agree and expected the same. I did hear/see about a really interesting idea about two weeks before the movie came out, though. If you look at one of the group pictures of the Rogue One core team, and you look at the most common picture of the Kinghts of Ren, the numbers match up and the poses matched up. The theory was that the Rogues and many of the Rebels were captured on Scarif, got the plans out, but were then thrown into the Lusankya prison or something similar (explaining why they hadn't been heard from during 4-6). They were broken down mentally over the ~30 years and brainwashed into obedient evil minions, and Kylo Ren found them shortly after turning to the dark side under Snoke. Feeling the similarity of circumstance, he chose them to be his first enforcers.

Ended up not being the case, but I liked the theme, and I think it would have been fun to link one of the "oldest" new movies to the newest new movie in this way.
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:59 pm

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Kinghts of Ren

Oh dear, a Pythonian slip.
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:13 pm

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One reason why they they didn't show Krennic's end may be that his character is an obvious candidate for Rey's absentee father in TFA. That's my speculation, and it's past time anyway for the Imperials to have their own light/dark cycle mirroring that of the Skywalkers. The many scenes of political machinations among the Emperor's admirals may be a set up for a backstory along these lines.

Damn boy, you must have access to the finest mind-altering substances. If Cassian's blaster or the falling wreckage of the comms dish didn't kill him, he was vaporized a few seconds before Jyn & Cassian, as I don't recall any shot showing a ship landing on that platform for a dust-off (and we saw on Jedha what it took for a ship to escape the blast wave).

Besides, it's been speculated that the empty chair next to Tarkin in the Ep.4 conference room scene belonged to Krennic. Probably a retcon, but one that makes perfect sense.

Krennic is pinin' for the fjords. He is part of the Choir Eternal. He is an ex-Director. He would not VOOM if you put 4,000 volts through him.
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:14 pm

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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:52 pm

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Damn boy, you must have access to the finest mind-altering substances. If Cassian's blaster or the falling wreckage of the comms dish didn't kill him, he was vaporized a few seconds before Jyn & Cassian, as I don't recall any shot showing a ship landing on that platform for a dust-off (and we saw on Jedha what it took for a ship to escape the blast wave).//


It would seem Krennic got rendered into his constituent atoms. But these new SW movies are into misdirection. Not everything is as it seems. If the rebels' dynamic duo could make it to the beach for a sunset shot, why couldn't the Director move a few floors down to the most protected place on the planet, the armored archive vault? Only the top of the tower was clipped by the DS beam.

If he were to become disenchanted with the Empire after what happened and bailed out like his former subordinate did, wouldn't it be convenient if everyone thinks he's a goner? Especially if Snoke's faction were to recruit him to manage their own planet-killer project?
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:57 pm

Well, if you're going to run down that hallway, why not just wonder if Krennic *is* Smoke?
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:53 pm

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Only the top of the tower was clipped by the DS beam.

And the crustal-level giga-tsunami wouldn't have finished the job? You know, the same one that took Jyn and Cassian? The blast wave destroyed mountains on Jedha, yet a mere building would have survived? Granted, the DS gunner was a poor shot, but Tarkin's express intent was to destroy the facility, and destroyed it was.

Seriously. You need to stop finding millenarian tropes in everything.
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:01 pm

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Well, if you're going to run down that hallway, why not just wonder if Krennic *is* Smoke?


Well yea, 'Snoke-Krennic' was a thought. But his story is that of a lurker who has been shadowing Palpatine, which rules Krennic out. You've got to wonder how Snoke and Ren know so many details of the Empire's final days, its leaders' decisions. It's likely that someone like Krennic had joined Snoke's circle and provided that inside information.

Isn't it interesting that the exile which Galen Erso had planned for his daughter Jyn isn't too different from what had been planned for Rey, whoever her father was? You'd kind of wonder where he got that idea...
 
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:10 pm

Put down the bong and walk away slowly. This is Disney. While there will be some plot folds, they will not require the Infinite Improbability Drive to unfold.
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:17 pm

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And the crustal-level giga-tsunami wouldn't have finished the job? You know, the same one that took Jyn and Cassian? The blast wave destroyed mountains on Jedha, yet a mere building would have survived? Granted, the DS gunner was a poor shot, but Tarkin's express intent was to destroy the facility, and destroyed it was.

Seriously. You need to stop finding millenarian tropes in everything.


I had my old agnostic movie mode hat on, but seriously SW is all about derivative millenarian stuff. A Republic policed by temple guardians and a religious senate that has stood a thousand years, right?

Anyway, if anything would have been designed to survive every possible contingency, the archives would be it. Think of it as a primary data site with galactic-class security. There's no Hollywood reason why such a self-contained vault could not have withstood a waterborne tsunami as opposed to ground shock waves, submerged or even floated like the ships that washed ashore after Japan's Fukushima disaster.
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:20 pm

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There's no Hollywood reason why such a self-contained vault could not have withstood a waterborne tsunami as opposed to ground shock waves, submerged or even floated like the ships that washed ashore after Japan's Fukushima disaster.

You and I apparently watched completely different movies.
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Re: Rogue One

Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:35 pm

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You and I apparently watched completely different movies.


Lol yeah, but just imagine how the scriptwriters and directors must be arguing. Disney's SW team has the equivalent of a frameworks and conventions lead just to make sure that all series "modules" are developed properly.
 
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Re: Rogue One

Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:26 am

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Anyway, if anything would have been designed to survive every possible contingency, the archives would be it. Think of it as a primary data site with galactic-class security. There's no Hollywood reason why such a self-contained vault could not have withstood a waterborne tsunami as opposed to ground shock waves, submerged or even floated like the ships that washed ashore after Japan's Fukushima disaster.
Would those same archives have weeks/months worth of food, water, and breathable air for Krennic to survive the excavation? And while we're at it, WHO would be doing said excavation? (It wouldn't be sympathetic rebels.)

Uncle Owen has a better chance of being Snoke.

Also, it would be thematically out of touch for any key character to make it from Rogue One to The Force Awakens (or beyond).
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Re: Rogue One

Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:40 am

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Also, it would be thematically out of touch for any key character to make it from Rogue One to The Force Awakens (or beyond).

I would also be extremely skeptical of this.
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Re: Rogue One

Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:28 am

If Krennic ends up being Rey's releative I am gonna be one pissed off fan.

I am sure as ...... that Rey is a Kennobi.
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