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Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:08 pm

Part of the reason I was so pissed at that scene the first time I watched it was because I thought they really had killed her off that early on and I was impressed that they would do something so ballsy. It sat better with me the second viewing because I knew what to expect. In fact, the entire movie was much more enjoyable the second time around because I could take everything at face-value instead of hanging on to where I hoped they were going to go.
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Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:13 pm

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..the entire movie was much more enjoyable the second time around because I could take everything at face-value instead of hanging on to where I hoped they were going to go.


That's pretty critical. Don't expect too much from the movie, "gloss" over most of it - and it can still be enjoyable. I enjoyed it more than TFA, even though it had more problems then that script (..which had a LOT of problems itself).


Honestly, there is a fair bit of depth to the movie once you get over all it's flaws - more than most of the other movies: including the original 3. :o

Ex. everyone seems to be hating Luke's character: but they packed-in Luke's basic maturation from all of the first 3 movies.

A New Hope: whiny, bull-headed. TFA: Grumpy, withdrawn.
ESB: whiny/making mistakes but learning, fearful of what he might become (as mirrored in Vadar). TFA: Coping with another student and past failures, fearful of what Rey might become.
RJ: hopeful with cautious confidence, willing to risk everything for something that seems hopeless (turning Vadar). TFA: confident after accepting the loss of the Jedi and the return of the force, willing to risk everything to save the last of the rebellion and his sister.

Of course the real problem with such complexity is that the back-story for what happened after RJ is so *sparse* (..and not just with Luke), with only a glimpse into the problems surrounding Ben.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:16 pm

They really needed some filler movies here. You'd think that Disney would make them as they like money and seem competent overall.

Getting rid of the Expanded Universe stuff (and secretly keeping a ton of it)? Sure, whatever... but that now leaves most of the main character's entire adult lives a blank spot.

Tangentially, getting rid of the Mara Jade plotline was a huge mistake. The newfangled Luke is fine, works okay... but not nearly as interesting as the alternative version.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:54 pm

I thought Snoke would have a back story (inside future? novel?)
And lightsaber strike, no dark side energy. Nothing, just an ugly dude drops dead. After Holdo rammed Snoke's ship, there was a scene where we see Snoke's body on the deck, I seriously thought he would stand up and turns alive.
So Luke becomes one with the Force. (Yoda should be shimmering blue, come on, more effort, Disney). They need to have CGI for Leia. (General Organa dies in sleep/gets ambushed off screen?)
Snoke dead. Third movie in trilogy have no big bad. (DJ is actually Palpatine clone? Or else I got nothing).
No light side teacher (aside from Jedi ghosts) for Rey. (not even sacred Jedi text is extant.)
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:59 pm

Leia's actress denied CGI already, can't happen. As far as new big bad, my guess is it will end up being Kylo in the end.
 
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Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:26 pm

CScottG wrote:
That's pretty critical. Don't expect too much from the movie, "gloss" over most of it - and it can still be enjoyable. I enjoyed it more than TFA, even though it had more problems then that script (..which had a LOT of problems itself).
This is the part that gets me. For all of the violence it does to logic and good storytelling, it's still an enjoyable film. And it is OMG gorgeous in a lot of places. It's just scene after scene after scene where I'm going "Yep, that's my desktop background for a month."

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ESB: whiny/making mistakes but learning, fearful of what he might become (as mirrored in Vadar). TFA: Coping with another student and past failures, fearful of what Rey might become.
I know that I've been burned before with hopes of good storytelling coming out of Star Wars, but I love the scene with Rey in the Pit of Despair. When we watched Luke face Vader on Degobah, the symbolism of Luke's face in Vader's mask seemed like the director just messing with our heads. By the end of ESB, we learn that Luke & Vader are related and by the end of ROTJ, we see Luke realize that he is becoming Vader. And I felt something, as if a million fanboys smacked their heads in unison and cried out "Now I get it!"

Watching Rey play with a hundred reflections of herself, alone in a cave was really well done. All the same, yet each one slightly off from the others. Is Rey a clone? Is she just one of many? Is she doomed to create another Jedi student, each one more powerful than the last but each one doomed to ignorance and desperation? Is the Force a welling of potential power that concentrates in individuals and the fewer they are, the more powerful they become? Is Broomstick Boy the Force dividing into new bodies, each one alike yet slight off from each other? I don't know! And I'm excited to see if it wasn't just the director messing with our heads.
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Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:37 pm

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Watching Rey play with a hundred reflections of herself, alone in a cave was really well done. All the same, yet each one slightly off from the others.

Is Rey a clone? Is she just one of many? Is she doomed to create another Jedi student, each one more powerful than the last but each one doomed to ignorance and desperation? Is the Force a welling of potential power that concentrates in individuals and the fewer they are, the more powerful they become?

Is Broomstick Boy the Force dividing into new bodies, each one alike yet slight off from each other? I don't know! And I'm excited to see if it wasn't just the director messing with our heads.



-that was my favorite scene in the movie.

I think the most important part of that scene was to "say": this is not your Dagobah hole where you confront your evil-side and end-up either good or evil. (..like many other scenes trying to undo the Jedi/Sith paradigm.)

To me it was more like: you aren't defined as good or evil - you can become almost anything. This is somewhat confirmed when Luke tells her that her Dark-side is totally frightening and then later when Snook says she is the Light-side to balance-out Ben's dark. In other words: she isn't either, and yet she is both - it's up to her.


I see Broomstick Boy (..if he was wielding the force), to represent hidden force potential in others beyond the main characters, and probably to become another Luke or Ezra Bridger (Star Wars Rebels).


From what I can tell, the Star Wars universe at at this time (LJ) is nearing the end of the Roman Republic and about to transition into the Roman Empire. Palpatine represents Caesar (first Dictator) ..not Octavian/Augustus. Presumably Ben (or someone else) is Octavian/Augustus (first Emperor). This leaves a lot of room for new content in the future: so that Disney get's its money's worth from the franchise (..if they are smart).
 
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Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:02 am

If we are going for the Roman analogy.

Palpatine: Nero (He may die, but he sure wants the Empire to go down with him)
New Republic: Year of Three Emperors (The 3 Emperors didn't have a plan)
Snoke: Justin the Apostate (Tried to bring the old faith back (dark side)
Luke: Marcus Aurelius (although maybe Jesus, betrayed by someone closed to him) (In the case of Marcus Aurelius, his son Commodus could be said to betray everything he stood for).
Kylo Ren: Commodus (Potential to be good at the start)
Rey: Constantine (Renewal of the Empire)

PS
On another completely different topic,
Is it just me or is there really no continuity between Episode 7 and 8?
The Starkiller base gets destroyed. Suddenly Kylo Ren and Hux is on a SSD? A major victory (There was no escort for Starkiller base) for the Resistance, but the Resistance is on the run, and not the First Order?
How did Holdo (Admiral Purple Hair) survive when all the other Admirals, chief of staff did not? ie why isn't the rest of the NR survivors fighting the FO?
 
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Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:00 am

Darthutos wrote:
If we are going for the Roman analogy.

Palpatine: Nero (He may die, but he sure wants the Empire to go down with him)
New Republic: Year of Three Emperors (The 3 Emperors didn't have a plan)
Snoke: Justin the Apostate (Tried to bring the old faith back (dark side)
Luke: Marcus Aurelius (although maybe Jesus, betrayed by someone closed to him) (In the case of Marcus Aurelius, his son Commodus could be said to betray everything he stood for).
Kylo Ren: Commodus (Potential to be good at the start)
Rey: Constantine (Renewal of the Empire)

PS
On another completely different topic,
Is it just me or is there really no continuity between Episode 7 and 8?
The Starkiller base gets destroyed. Suddenly Kylo Ren and Hux is on a SSD? A major victory (There was no escort for Starkiller base) for the Resistance, but the Resistance is on the run, and not the First Order?
How did Holdo (Admiral Purple Hair) survive when all the other Admirals, chief of staff did not? ie why isn't the rest of the NR survivors fighting the FO?


Holdo was Captain of one of the other ships in the fleet, I thought, which explains why she wasn't taken out with the rest of the command staff.
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:34 am

I am curious what they will do in regards to Leia. I predicted Kylo Ren wouldn't kill her, but I expected her to pull a stunt like what Haldo ended up doing. It was already promised there would be no Leia CGI after the original backlash too.

Darthutos wrote:
PS
On another completely different topic,
Is it just me or is there really no continuity between Episode 7 and 8?
The Starkiller base gets destroyed. Suddenly Kylo Ren and Hux is on a SSD? A major victory (There was no escort for Starkiller base) for the Resistance, but the Resistance is on the run, and not the First Order?


Starkiller base was a planet. Sure it was blown up, but it first blew up multiple planets in the Hosnian system as well as the military forces in orbit around them, and the New Republic leaders/Senate ruling from them. Apparently the New Republic's fleet was in orbit at the time.

The logistics behind constructing starkiller would imply the New Order had a considerable military-industrial complex already built up elsewhere to support it. Evidently they just simply constructed more ISDs and dreadnaughts and there wasn't enough New Republic forces remaining to deal with them. Even before Starkiller fell it was made clear the Resistance had minimal forces left, they launched everything in that assault and was stated to have lost most of their X-wings carrying it out.
 
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Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:56 am

Kougar wrote:

Starkiller base was a planet. Sure it was blown up, but it first blew up multiple planets in the Hosnian system as well as the military forces in orbit around them, and the New Republic leaders/Senate ruling from them. Apparently the New Republic's fleet was in orbit at the time.

The logistics behind constructing starkiller would imply the New Order had a considerable military-industrial complex already built up elsewhere to support it. Evidently they just simply constructed more ISDs and dreadnaughts and there wasn't enough New Republic forces remaining to deal with them. Even before Starkiller fell it was made clear the Resistance had minimal forces left, they launched everything in that assault and was stated to have lost most of their X-wings carrying it out.

To me, their world building is extremely sloppy. They have a killer weapon more powerful than the Empire had at its height...mmkay.
 
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To me, their world building is extremely sloppy. They have a killer weapon more powerful than the Empire had at its height...mmkay.


Well that's star wars in a nutshell, I didn't make nor would defend the writing or logic in it. :lol: If they can build a self-contained/powered planet killer, then it's really a huge step backwards logically to build a solar system killer that requires a sun per shot fired.

Trying to judge things like physics or reality in a the movie that starts off with such absurd premises in logic just seems equally silly. I dislike the wonton liberties taken with the physics but come on, if we're watching the film we've already accepted the repeatedly absurd logic/narrative of the franchise. It's not any different than a horror flick where the people are guaranteed to make the worst possible decisions to keep the movie going. :lol:
 
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Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:14 pm

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If they can build a self-contained/powered planet killer, then it's really a huge step backwards logically to build a solar system killer that requires a sun per shot fired...


Not just a step backwards, but also an idea that the franchise's writers reused from Campbell's space opera classic, "The Mightiest Machine". This particular guy was not the academic who impressed Lucas with recycled gnostic myths, he was the acknowledged founder of 'Golden Age' SF, John W. Campbell, Jr.

The mightiest machine in his tale is the Sun, of course. Earth's super ships would 'beam in' solar plasma to recharge their cores, which was then redirected against a hostile returned race of horned devils, a theme which was apparently taken by another media franchise (think Doom). I suspect that Disney's writers just stumbled across the author Campbell while googling for stories to mine, then shamelessly copied his ideas.

The capture and use of stellar plasmas is also found in Niven's 'Known Space' fictional universe, in the form of the Tnuctipun's weaponized Dyson sphere.

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I’m impressed by your SF knowledge.
 
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Most tropes are easy to spot if you've read the originals. The billion-year-old Tnuctip sphere was the mystery of the Inconstant Star expedition, which might have inspired astrobiology believers to stir this teapot: https://www.inverse.com/article/36239-t ... 62852-nasa
 
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Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:25 pm

I'm calling it now.
Rian Johnson's SW trilogy will feature Yuuzhan Vong worldship that if completed, would destroy the entire SW Galaxy with a single shot. Downside is that once fired, YZ Galaxy would be destroyed also, and that YZ would lose the Force.

A Resistance Force made up of Kylo Ren's Dark Jedi is sent to destroy the weapon.
 
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Kougar wrote:
Well that's star wars in a nutshell, I didn't make nor would defend the writing or logic in it. :lol:
Some are still better written than others.

Kougar wrote:
If they can build a self-contained/powered planet killer, then it's really a huge step backwards logically to build a solar system killer that requires a sun per shot fired.
How is it a step backward when they can destroy 5 planets at once which are presumably light years away from the "laser"?

The whole idea was stupid. It's like it was written by teenagers.

Kougar wrote:
Trying to judge things like physics or reality in a the movie that starts off with such absurd premises in logic just seems equally silly.
One could argue this whole thread is silly. *shrug* It's just something to post about and discuss. People have different ideas as to what offends their suspension of disbelief.

Kougar wrote:
I dislike the wonton liberties taken with the physics but come on, if we're watching the film we've already accepted the repeatedly absurd logic/narrative of the franchise.
It's not consistent with the other Star Wars movies. You can keep giving them money and I choose to not give mine.
 
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Hawkwing74 wrote:
Kougar wrote:
If they can build a self-contained/powered planet killer, then it's really a huge step backwards logically to build a solar system killer that requires a sun per shot fired.
How is it a step backward when they can destroy 5 planets at once which are presumably light years away from the "laser"?.


Can only target one solar system at a time. Requires an entire sun to fire (maybe). I wouldn't imagine most systems would have more than 2-3 targets in them, if even that many? They would also have to position the planet around a superfluous star they didn't need, as they couldn't ever fire it from a system they wished to use again.

The amount of energy from a normal star was calculated (by various people) to be well in excess of what they used it for anyway. :lol: https://nerdist.com/the-physics-of-star ... perweapon/
 
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Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:04 pm

I know there are lots of haters of the new episode but I personally loved it. The nature is magnificent and the movie itself is amazingly beautiful.
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:38 am

Personally I feel that the new movies would be the best things after sliced bread if and only if you had no experience/ did not grow up with Episode 4,5, and 6, and that you did not read the old Expanded Universe books. (books published between 1990 and 2011).

But hey, to each his/her own, am I right? ;)
 
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:26 pm

Just got around to watching this.

Yoda's "pageturner" comment was a bit off for Yoda, but that's the Disney effect in play.


Personally, I thought this was one of the few things they got right in the film. Notice that Luke sets off intending to burn the Jedi texts, but never sees them - Yoda blasts the Tree of Knowledge (yokyokyok) then forces Luke back when he tries to recover them. His subsequent line is the 'pageturner' jab, then "they contain no knowledge Rey does not already posses" - this implies she's already stolen them and secreted them on the Falcon. Thus they are present when Finn opens the drawer.

[Edit]

Forgot to mention that I don't really understand the issue people have with the milk scene - I type this eating my morning cereal, dowsed in cow's milk, and apart from not dribbling it into my beard (and not staring moodily at an out of frame observer) I don't see a lot of difference... was it just that it was green?
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:19 am

As I said some posts above,

Re: Yoda: It's not because what he said/done I have problem with that scene, it's that it's solid Yoda. No blue shimmering. There's no indication that it's a Force Ghost. For all I know for anyone who did not see ESB, or ROTJ, he could have just have been there, alive and everything.

RE: Luke drinking milk. It's not that he's drinking blue/green milk, it's that he's... Imagine if a farmer drank from a none milk cow udder (hell I'll give you a regular milk cow)... If a farmer drank straight from the udder, would that not be disgusting? For argument's sakes I'll give the farmer a pail. What if a farmer drank straight from the pail? NO pasteurization, no boiling... I guess it's that farmer's own choice, and that Luke did not force Rey to drink... But still that doesn't mean fans cannot call him out for it. (it being drinking unsanitary thing, in a unhygienic way).

And also, what was the point of Force astroprojection? If you are gonna die anyway after your projection is wounded, why not just go physically?

Once again speaking for myself, I'll say this, it's a good movie on it's own, if it's not a Star Wars movie. As a SW movie, I can only say it's a great adaptation for a badly written Fanfic, a fanfic that sucks everything suckable under the sky of this planet.

Just for my FYI, Shobai, did you watch Episode 4 to 6? A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, read any Expanded Universe novels? (I'm not talking about the new "Journey to the Force Awakens/The Last Jedi, etc" books that came out a couple of years ago.


#BringBackLegends.

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I guess that means SW Fanfic authors do have a chance of getting their SW fanfic published. So that remind me to start writing my own. Here's hoping :)
 
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Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:21 am

Darthutos wrote:
Re: Yoda: It's not because what he said/done I have problem with that scene, it's that it's solid Yoda. No blue shimmering. There's no indication that it's a Force Ghost. For all I know for anyone who did not see ESB, or ROTJ, he could have just have been there, alive and everything.

Wow...Rian Johnson exhibited blatant and utter disregard for the previous Star Wars movies. And since when can Force Ghosts do anything but talk, appear, give instructions?

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It's a SW movie, what does "previous films by Rian Johnson" have anything to do with this particular film?

Yes indeed, when does Force Ghost do anything? physically? Did Quigonn stop Vader from killing those younglings?

Edit:
Okay, Fine, I can accept that it's an improvement for Force Ghost can do stuff physically, I guess it's lore that can be understandably retconned. But no blue shimmering? No indication that, yes, it is a SW Force Ghost? That's just sloppy and money saving technique. They don't even bother.....

Again, why should I worry about "previous film" by Rian Johnson?
 
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Rian Johnson is disregarding the previous Star Wars movies, even disregarding Force Awakens.
 
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Someone even said RJ copied fanfics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPXJ-KpFxs
http://scavengersholocron.com/category/ ... last-jedi/

Honestly this movie is so bad in so many ways it should be removed from the canon:
https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disne ... cial-canon
 
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Darthutos wrote:
Re: Yoda: It's not because what he said/done I have problem with that scene, it's that it's solid Yoda. No blue shimmering. There's no indication that it's a Force Ghost. For all I know for anyone who did not see ESB, or ROTJ, he could have just have been there, alive and everything.


We must have seen different films, I'm sure he had an outline in the version I saw in cinema. And it's not clear that he used force lightning, either - other instances that spring to mind all emanate from the fingers.

RE: Luke drinking milk. It's not that he's drinking blue/green milk, it's that he's... Imagine if a farmer drank from a none milk cow udder (hell I'll give you a regular milk cow)... If a farmer drank straight from the udder, would that not be disgusting? For argument's sakes I'll give the farmer a pail. What if a farmer drank straight from the pail? NO pasteurization, no boiling... I guess it's that farmer's own choice, and that Luke did not force Rey to drink... But still that doesn't mean fans cannot call him out for it. (it being drinking unsanitary thing, in a unhygienic way).


Oh dear. I hate to burst your bubble, but you do know who Pasteurisation is named after, right? And how recently it has been 'du jour'? Perhaps I have better perspective than you've had opportunity, because my wife recently finished breastfeeding our son. There are no two ways about it: mother's milk is best, and mother's milk is best straight from the teat. We treat cow's milk to enable longer shelf-life - the treated product is not as good as fresh.

And also, what was the point of Force astroprojection? If you are gonna die anyway after your projection is wounded, why not just go physically?


I can think of several reasons - have a go at playing Devil's Advocate, you might enjoy it!

Just for my FYI, Shobai, did you watch Episode 4 to 6? A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, read any Expanded Universe novels? (I'm not talking about the new "Journey to the Force Awakens/The Last Jedi, etc" books that came out a couple of years ago.


That'd be 'FMI' that you're looking for. No, are they as good as this one?


Heh, just kidding. I'm not enough of a tragic to have read the fan fiction/EU, though.
 
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1. I already said I had no problem with what Yoda said or did, I had a problem that Yoda did not have a blue shimmering about his person. RE: Take a look at the ending of Return of the Jedi, with the old version with Sebastien Shaw or even the new ones with Hayden edited in. See the Force Ghosts? They were in transparent Blue.

2. I know the benefits of breastfeeding... So um, that cow analog is Luke's mother... Nice to know.

3. That's a novel? Or game? I always enjoy both media...I'll check it out as soon as I finish the latest Expanse novel.

4. Yeah, I know, if one really go into it, the EU back in the day is really Fanfic, but it was said to be SW canon. (Everything ever written in the EU series built on things written before). But I see your point, If I understand correctly you are a movie purist. Also I'd like to apologize for the FYI/FMI confusion.


Regarding canonicity of EU/Legend/Whatever Disney decides to cal lit Wednesday, all I got to say is [Grand Moff Tarkin] She lied, she lied to us! [/Grand Moff Tarkin].
 
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:13 pm

The milking of the sea cow was intended to be repulsive. I get that. However, it struck me as awkward, forced, and out-of-place. It could easily / should have been left out altogether. The film would not have been lessened in the slightest.
 
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Re: STAR WARS TIME! - Spoiler Lock Lifted

Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:34 pm

Darthutos wrote:
1. I already said I had no problem with what Yoda said or did, I had a problem that Yoda did not have a blue shimmering about his person. RE: Take a look at the ending of Return of the Jedi, with the old version with Sebastien Shaw or even the new ones with Hayden edited in. See the Force Ghosts? They were in transparent Blue.

2. I know the benefits of breastfeeding... So um, that cow analog is Luke's mother... Nice to know.
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Wasn't there some sort of strange back-lighting for Yoda (though not blue)? Also, Bendu seemed to continue force-wielding lighting after going "ghost" in Star Wars Rebels - pretty much the same sort of result from over-extending himself as Luke did. (..I'd note that even though Bendu wasn't human, he did wind-up with bright-blue eyes and I think a blue outline (..don't remember if the outline was blue or not though - could have been white). Luke of course did NOT die because he was somehow wounded when astral-projected, rather he died because he used to much of the force doing that astral projection for that long.


Your suggestion with the breastmilk was that it was somehow less sanitary, and that it needed something like pasteurization (..having nothing to do with analogies). Really, it was just a scene of practicality and elaboration on survival on that world - just like splitting open a pack animal to survive on Hoth, or slogging through a trash compactor to keep from being taken by storm troopers.
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