cphite wrote:Judicator wrote:
Dude, the only part of your post that wasn't opinion was the part where you linked to sites that compiled other people's opinions. We're discussing the merits of a work of fiction; it's by definition opinion. So maybe turn down the pretense just a bit, eh?
Wrong, again. I posted facts: revievs, Luke "prominent in VII" as a MacGuffin, and another link to a YT video where Mark Hamill speaks his mind about how bad the choices RJ made for Luke, so, yeah, whatever, keep LOL!-ing.
Reviews are opinions. And even Mark Hamill was stating his opinion. Granted, his opinion carries a lot of weight, but it's still an opinion.
I know this may sound crazy to you, but people are allowed to interpret stories differently than the actors, or the directors, or even the writers. Mark Hamill didn't like where they took the character; and that's fine - he's entitled to that
opinion. The writers and the director made the call; because in
their opinion it made sense. Some fans liked it; others didn't like it. It's all opinion.
TL;DR: The point I'm trying to get across is: yeah, I agree, opinions are just opinions but when you factor money in the equation of moviemaking, well, they are not just simple opinions anymore, that's why big youtubers and big reviewers have been kind towards this movie. I get one thing from this: RJ was a bad choice, which is my opinion but facts seem to tell the same story.
I write this just to clarify my point.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, yeah, RJ is both the writer and director.
Opinions and facts. OK, let's take a look at who wrote the screenplay of the successful movies of the franchise: Lawrence Kashdan, VII was written mainly by Lawrence Kashdan, the same goes for V, and VI, he is a succesful writer.
The point is: LK is a prized writer so why RJ decided to write VIII himself?
Facts tell us that LK may almost certainly had written a better screenplay, at least if we look at what he has done in the past.
The majority of people don't like VIII and they have made reviews based on their opinions, the movie made almost half the money than VII because of those opinions and if I get it right they make movies to make money.
We can debate all day long about opinions but one fact is right there, right before our eyes: VIII is doing worse than they expected to, a saga movie made just 200M more than Rogue one which is a spin off!
So Mark Hamill's opinion seems on point and in line with reality, he even stated that he hoped fans wouldn't get angry.
For sure RJ's opinion (and directing and everything else he's done with this movie) has led to smaller box office results, which is a fact.
I've never, ever thought that a Star Wars movie would compete against Jumanji in the daily BO:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/. Let's be clear VIII made 1.3B, Jumanji 770M but it is still going strong and if it keeps this pace it can make more money while VIII which has tanked.