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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:13 pm

The Phantom Menace has some really bad and/or polarizing elements, but it is a better movie than Attack of the Clones. All three of those movies have random acts of brilliance, but they didn't come together into a cohesive product, and few things would save them from the poor directing and dialogue.

As for "Evil Jar-Jar", I am 90% certain that you are thinking of a fan theory.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:43 am

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Robin Williams' performance was the best part of that movie.

Would the Star Wars community accept Jar-Jar Binks if he/she/it was voiced with a completely unleashed Robin Williams?
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:45 am

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Ugh. I was 13 when ANH came out and, like most other males of my era, have been Star Wars fanatics. I saw this trailer and had high hopes. After the posts here about Empire, the 13-YO glee in me is gone. Thanks.

For the $4 BILLION (ISTR) Disney paid for the franchise, one would think that it came along with at least the draft treatments for 7/8/9 that Lucas promised us geeks back in the 1970s.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:45 am

Well the newly minted canon of Jar-Jar has him being some sad street performer to kids, a clown. And is ignored by the adults in the Aftermath novel.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:51 am

Obligatory viewing of Star War The Third Gathers (so bad its good bootleg translation adapted into a full fan voiceover): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XziLNeFm1ok
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:45 am

I don't think anything could cause fandom to accept Jar-Jar, but Robin Williams would have been a huge help.

Phantom Menace is definitely better than Attack of the Clowns, but the only one I actually kind-of almost liked was Revenge of the SIth.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:15 am

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I don't think anything could cause fandom to accept Jar-Jar, but Robin Williams would have been a huge help.

Phantom Menace is definitely better than Attack of the Clowns, but the only one I actually kind-of almost liked was Revenge of the SIth.


I must have seen a different first two prequels than everyone here, although the lack of a true first movie for teenage Anakin does affect the entire trilogy.

Yes, RotS was the best of the worst, but it's too bad all of the prequels weren't at least of similar quality.

Side note: If you have any thoughts that maybe The Phantom Menace wasn't really that bad, watch the Red Letter Media review sometime. Pay particular attention to the part about Watto/Qui-Gon's...deal... thing.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:19 am

I'm comparing TPM vs Clowns as concussion vs stabbing. RotS is more like a kid that flicked your nose while you're trying to eat your lunch—annoying but not much worse.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:05 pm

To be clear, when I say that Menace is better a better movie than Clones, I am talking about the basic filmmaking and storytelling. The latter film is just...boring. When my wife and I watched through episodes 1 through 6 (in prep for TFA), I literally fell asleep watching that one. Menace still has flaws and some major polarizing elements (Jar-Jar and podracing, for example), but it is still easier to watch and stay engaged.

If anyone wants to argue that Clones is better for less damaging to the Star Wars franchise, I won't dispute that.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:23 pm

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RE: Ep 7

I haven't seen it yet. Is it skippable in your opinion? Rogue One, on the other hand, was awesome.

Well, depends how badly you have the fanboy bug. I watched Ep 4 when I was 4 years old. The bug bit me bad. Older and perhaps wiser, I can see how I am a fanboy but they'd have to really torch me before I wouldn't watch each movie at least once.

It was NOT as good as Rogue One. I would say it was more enjoyable than The Phantom Menace.
 
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:47 pm

Ep7 is probably the 4th best movie behind Ep5, Ep4, and R1. Just ahead of Ep6.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:24 pm

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Ep7 is probably the 4th best movie behind Ep5, Ep4, and R1. Just ahead of Ep6.

Thanks for the ordering! I'll have to check it out then.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:05 am

In case you need it, this recap of the Star Wars movies is a handy link to hold onto.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:53 pm

derFunkenstein wrote:
Ep7 is probably the 4th best movie behind Ep5, Ep4, and R1. Just ahead of Ep6.

I concur, and figure many rank it likewise.
In Revenge of the Sith, I think it lost an opportunity to express Anakin's regret/remorse at the end. Instead of him waking up and acting like Frankenstein (grrr-Nooo!) it could have been directed better. Otherwise it was better than the two previous films in the 2nd trilogy.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:41 am

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derFunkenstein wrote:
Ep7 is probably the 4th best movie behind Ep5, Ep4, and R1. Just ahead of Ep6.

I concur, and figure many rank it likewise.
In Revenge of the Sith, I think it lost an opportunity to express Anakin's regret/remorse at the end. Instead of him waking up and acting like Frankenstein (grrr-Nooo!) it could have been directed better. Otherwise it was better than the two previous films in the 2nd trilogy.


Episode 6 could have tied with Rogue One at no. 3 without the dumb ewoks-defeat-stormtroopers story. I agree that Revenge of the Sith is the best of the prequels. How would you have ended it?
 
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:00 am

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Episode 6 could have tied with Rogue One at no. 3 without the dumb ewoks-defeat-stormtroopers story. I agree that Revenge of the Sith is the best of the prequels. How would you have ended it?

Just maybe more engaging dialogue between Anakin and Palpatine/Emperor where Anakin tries to process why he took this tragic fall to the dark side. Perhaps realizing it was all a lie from the Sith and resenting Palpatine playing him like a puppet. Understanding he's beyond redemption at this point but it seems the scene at the end was clumsily done with him acting like a Frankenstein robot. I know it's over-analysis for this type of film however there are moments where better acting/direction would have helped.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:17 am

It's just an example of how Ep1-3 had to be retconned into the existing storyline picked up in Ep4. You'd have to rewrite the entirety of 4-6 of the Empire's story if the man who would be Vader had to wind up resenting the guy he called "master" and defended right up until where Luke almost bit it.

It's like Lucas didn't go back and re-watch the first trilogy.
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Re: STAR WARS TIME!

Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:28 am

G8torbyte wrote:
Just maybe more engaging dialogue between Anakin and Palpatine/Emperor where Anakin tries to process why he took this tragic fall to the dark side. Perhaps realizing it was all a lie from the Sith and resenting Palpatine playing him like a puppet. Understanding he's beyond redemption at this point but it seems the scene at the end was clumsily done with him acting like a Frankenstein robot. I know it's over-analysis for this type of film however there are moments where better acting/direction would have helped.


I would have had the Emperor scolding him like an overbearing father at first. Then later when Anakin loses control with his roaring Noooo, have the Emperor whip him with force powers to put fear in him, to establish their master-slave relationship.

derFunkenstein wrote:
It's like Lucas didn't go back and re-watch the first trilogy.


Maybe Lucas was watching Young Frankenstein when he thought up the script :)

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