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CScottG wrote:
Speaking of perspective.
How about the size of the Millenium Falcon on the Jedi planet vs. the number of people entering it in the last scene?
NTMBK wrote:CScottG wrote:
Speaking of perspective.
How about the size of the Millenium Falcon on the Jedi planet vs. the number of people entering it in the last scene?
Fortunately, the Falcon had the TARDIS on board at the time.
JumpingJack wrote:Tried to watch Star Wars IV A New Hope yesterday, and when Luke appeared on screen the entire feeling was different. All I could see was old man who drank green tinged milk from the tit of a weird looking walrus. Thanks Rian Johnson, you completely destroyed Star Wars. Even the prequels did not do this .... at least after Vader 'turned' in ROTS, at least we can extrapolate some continuity as time would pass and the Vader we are introduced to in ANH was battle hardened and evil. But this pile of trash, the most beloved character of the franchise, and this is the way you (Johnson) see him as an elder? WTF man... what has been seen cannot be unseen.
Anyone who truly loved the original should do themselves a favor... do not see The Last Jedi. Period.
Maybe JJ Abrams can start the next movie off like Rey having a bad nightmare and waking up from it and starting over again???? Please???
cphite wrote:Judicator wrote:Sorry for my bad english.
Honestly for me it isn't just they killed Luke, it would've happened sooner or later, but there are a couple things to take into account.
I knew they were going to kill the old generation but with the Carrie Fisher's death i hoped they would rethink it making Luke die in IX and Leia in XIII, it would have made much more sense. There will not going to be CGI Leia so either they recast her or make an off-screen death I guess.
I will never, ever, forgive Rian Johnson for how he handled Luke.
The same guy who stopped his training to go to save his friends knowing it probably was a trap.
The same guy who spared a wampa that nearly killed him.
Now this guy lives milking sea cows, that scene was disgusting and after he drunk he looked straight at the camera, WTH!?
He not only basically has retired in a distant planet while waiting to die but he even wanted to kill his nephew, his own blood, in the sleep because he sensed darkness in him, Luke!
Luke was the guy who faced both the most evil and powerful sith in the galaxy and the second most evil and powerful sith in the galaxy at the same time because he sensed there was some good in Darth Vader and all that without killing anyone! An optimist to say the least.
That is nonsense, is stupidity, it's not a bold/risky choice: that is beyond bad writing, it's ignorance of what SW and its characters are, it's idiotic.
I swear I can go on forever with all the stuff that breaks the continuity or the lore of SW, with (the still) underdeveloped or disposable characters, the pointless chase, the sub quest, the bad humor/jokes and other inesplicable things that ruin this movie.
Because he comes to realize that even if he saves the ones who have good in them, the pattern just continues. Anakin became Vader because the Jedi collectively failed him; an entire council of people who are supposedly masters of reading people among other things, didn't notice that the boy they saved from slavery was being crushed by guilt from leaving his mother behind, or that he was in love with Padme and terrified of losing her, or that he was filled with self-doubt, etc, etc.
Anakin didn't turn to the dark side because he wanted to be evil. He turned to the dark side because he wanted to bring order to a world in which his slave mother was murdered by raiders; and in which his pregnant wife doesn't have to die. The Jedi council, especially Yoda, actually see that he's filled with fear and anger - and realize that he's potentially the most powerful Force user ever - and decide to allow his training anyway.
Luke himself is tempted to the dark side in Ep6 when he almost kills Vader, stopping only at the last moment because - ironically - he hears the Emperor laughing, takes note of Vader's missing hand, and realizes that he's going down that path himself.
Then, after the empire is defeated, Luke finds himself faced with a nephew who is turning to the dark side despite all of Luke's best efforts... he comes to realize that when people have this kind of power, there is always temptation to misuse it. And where there is temptation, there will always be those who succumb to it. He sees the pattern and decides that the best way to stop the pattern is to stop teaching the powers in the first place.
Whether or not he's right about that, it's a completely reasonable conclusion for him to reach. And frankly, going away instead of outright murdering his nephew is completely within character for Luke as he was depicted in the earlier films.
NTMBK wrote:JumpingJack wrote:Tried to watch Star Wars IV A New Hope yesterday, and when Luke appeared on screen the entire feeling was different. All I could see was old man who drank green tinged milk from the tit of a weird looking walrus. Thanks Rian Johnson, you completely destroyed Star Wars. Even the prequels did not do this .... at least after Vader 'turned' in ROTS, at least we can extrapolate some continuity as time would pass and the Vader we are introduced to in ANH was battle hardened and evil. But this pile of trash, the most beloved character of the franchise, and this is the way you (Johnson) see him as an elder? WTF man... what has been seen cannot be unseen.
Anyone who truly loved the original should do themselves a favor... do not see The Last Jedi. Period.
Maybe JJ Abrams can start the next movie off like Rey having a bad nightmare and waking up from it and starting over again???? Please???
Oh, the irony. You honestly sound just like Luke whining in ESB, when he goes searching for a mighty Jedi master Yoda, and instead finds a green weirdo in a swamp.
JumpingJack wrote:NTMBK wrote:JumpingJack wrote:Tried to watch Star Wars IV A New Hope yesterday, and when Luke appeared on screen the entire feeling was different. All I could see was old man who drank green tinged milk from the tit of a weird looking walrus. Thanks Rian Johnson, you completely destroyed Star Wars. Even the prequels did not do this .... at least after Vader 'turned' in ROTS, at least we can extrapolate some continuity as time would pass and the Vader we are introduced to in ANH was battle hardened and evil. But this pile of trash, the most beloved character of the franchise, and this is the way you (Johnson) see him as an elder? WTF man... what has been seen cannot be unseen.
Anyone who truly loved the original should do themselves a favor... do not see The Last Jedi. Period.
Maybe JJ Abrams can start the next movie off like Rey having a bad nightmare and waking up from it and starting over again???? Please???
NTMBK wrote:Oh, the irony. You honestly sound just like Luke whining in ESB, when he goes searching for a mighty Jedi master Yoda, and instead finds a green weirdo in a swamp.
Hawkwing74 wrote:
..What is with the milk-drinking creature? I will probably refuse to pay my money to Disney this time. What is the explanation for that?
I also do not understand...what is the overarching story of this trilogy?
the wrote:I just got back from seeing it and I have some thoughts to share.
Things that I disliked:
The last scene with the kid looking up at the stars. This rubbed me the wrong way as the true Disneyifcation of Star Wars. I get that the theme of this movie was hope and the outline of this idea in this scene is fine but the execution doesn't set well for me. It reads like a subliminal message to go buy Rebel rings and play with more Star Wars toys.
Captain Ned wrote:..The one thing I can't accept is Leia's Force-pull back to the ship (assuming it was all her).
CScottG wrote:Though not jarring, I did find that Snook didn't really present any palpable fear to any scene. I really miss that from the originals. Star Wars Rebels even has that on some of their episodes - it makes things far more compelling. Vader was super creepy. The Emperor wasn't exactly a cuddly Ewok either. Rebels has Inquisitors and Thrawn (who isn't even a force wielder).. along with occasional extras (..like those spiders). Speaking of Inquisitors - DAMN this grouping of movies is missing a huge opportunity to inject fear with them.
Hawkwing74 wrote:
..What is with the milk-drinking creature? I will probably refuse to pay my money to Disney this time. What is the explanation for that?
I also do not understand...what is the overarching story of this trilogy?
Lucky Jack Aubrey wrote:Nerd question: what the hell happened to the Imperial fleet? Yes, the Emperor fell. Yes, Vader died. Yes, Vader's super star destroyer command ship crashed into the Death Star II (but cf Han Solo's comment in ROTJ: "There are a lot of command ships"). Yes, the Empire itself fell and became the Republic again. Yes, several ships were likely destroyed at the Battle of Endor. Yes, we saw a crashed Star Destroyer in the desert on Jakku. But what happened to the rest of the massive fleet? I always assumed that the remaining fleet command acceded to Republican authority after the fall of the Empire (if they didn't, they'd have a pissed-off ascendant Jedi to deal with). There was no direct indication in the movies that the whole thing was destroyed at Endor or elsewhere. The pre-empire Republic had a fleet. Did the post-empire Republic just decommission the whole thing and become a pacifist regime? Will we see the remnants of said fleet in Episode 9?
CScottG wrote:Speaking of Inquisitors - DAMN this grouping of movies is missing a huge opportunity to inject fear with them.
Ryu Connor wrote:Try as she might, Leia could not get the broader New Republic worlds to accept that The First Order was a real threat.
douglar wrote:I thought TLJ was very weak. Plot holes kept making me a skeptic and the tone shifts made me wince.Bombing run was silly because these are space ships, not B17s
NTMBK wrote:Ah come on, space combat in Star Wars never made sense anyway. George openly acknowledged that he was just ripping off old WW2 films like Dambusters. If you try to apply logic, the entire thing falls apart. Why the hell would you have carriers and fighter aircraft in space? I enjoyed that scene because it leaned hard into the same WW2 vibe as the original films.
derFunkenstein wrote:CScottG wrote:Speaking of Inquisitors - DAMN this grouping of movies is missing a huge opportunity to inject fear with them.
They'd be startling at least..."NOOOO-body expects the Jedi Inquisition!"
kvndoom wrote:I get all the "Leia Poppins" hate, and it was a WTF moment for me too. Lots of folks agree that it would have been the perfect moment to kill off the character. Now we either get CGI Elderly Leia or an offscreen death between episodes. Neither of those scenarios is going to set well with the masses.
However, letting Leia die at that point in the film would have led to a LOT of scenes getting re-shot and I wonder how much that would have delayed the movie from its planned release date. On the other hand, I think (hope) SW fans would have been very forgiving if the movie got pushed back due to the real-life death of Carrie Fisher.