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Which implies it's been done before...yet you could skip more than a few key battles in the original trilogy if so. :P


That's the retro implication. The opportunities would still be limited to rare conditions like those of the chase, but it would be among their outlier doctrines.

One thing I don't accept is that the First Order needed to buy off the hacker for info on what was going on at the Resistance cruiser. In the real world, we already have ground arrays that can track and resolve objects in cislunar space through Earth's atmosphere, some to the lunar surface.

A fictional spacefaring civilization would have developed passive optical and active ranging platforms for scanning/returning any visible region, if only to fix debris/mine fields and spacecraft tracks. Unless those fleeing Resistance transports were going FTL straight from their hangers, they should have been easily spotted and acquired with lasers that already pulse to those distances.


Star Wars technology just flat out doesn't make sense, and hasn't done since the first film.

  • The Empire go to the effort of building a moon-sized battlestation to destroy a single planet, when you could just nudge a couple of asteroids towards the planet
  • Space has an "up"
  • "lasers" go at the speed of bullets
  • combat generally looks like a cross between WW2 aerial combat and Napoleonic naval combat.

Realistic space combat would probably be conducted with light-speed weaponry (i.e. lasers), at incredibly high speeds, by AIs acting and reacting faster than the human mind can comprehend. But that doesn't make for good cinema, does it?
 
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Realistic space combat would probably be conducted with light-speed weaponry (i.e. lasers), at incredibly high speeds, by AIs acting and reacting faster than the human mind can comprehend. But that doesn't make for good cinema, does it?
Whaaaaaa? That would never exist. Okay, maybe if we worked for 40 years, we could come up with a semi-automated system.

Sarcasm aside, laser versions of the linked weapon systems are in development, if you'd like some light reading on a science fiction to science fact subject.
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combat generally looks like a cross between WW2 aerial combat and Napoleonic naval combat.


There is a reason for that, that I guess you do not grok. :-?
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:32 am

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Star Wars technology just flat out doesn't make sense, and hasn't done since the first film.

  • The Empire go to the effort of building a moon-sized battlestation to destroy a single planet, when you could just nudge a couple of asteroids towards the planet
  • Space has an "up"
  • "lasers" go at the speed of bullets
  • combat generally looks like a cross between WW2 aerial combat and Napoleonic naval combat.


  • Yeah, even a captured 50K-ton cruiser flung down at 0.4 c will do lots of planet fracking.
  • Some theorize that deep-space screws will standardize on port and starboard, with the latter in the direction of the system's star nexus.
  • 'Tracer' effect, maybe? For movie audiences to see 'hits'
  • More like WW2 aerial combat mixed with WW1 naval combat.


...Realistic space combat would probably be conducted with light-speed weaponry (i.e. lasers), at incredibly high speeds, by AIs acting and reacting faster than the human mind can comprehend. But that doesn't make for good cinema, does it?


It doesn't, but it does make for some very good books.
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:57 am

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combat generally looks like a cross between WW2 aerial combat and Napoleonic naval combat.


There is a reason for that, that I guess you do not grok. :-?


I thought the reason was because George Lucas ripped off was inspired by a bunch of WW2 war movies? As I alluded to in my post, Star Wars is about what looks cool and makes for a good drama, not what is realistic... which is an entirely valid creative choice :)
 
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  • Some theorize that deep-space screws will standardize on port and starboard, with the latter in the direction of the system's star nexus.


Huh, cool, I hadn't seen that before. I quite like it as a navigational aid :) But you'd presume that in combat you'd throw that concept out the window- "the enemy's gate is down", and al that.

It doesn't, but it does make for some very good books.


Agreed! Some of the Culture books have that style of space combat, and it's extremely cool to read about from the point of the view of the AI.
 
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Realistic space combat would probably be conducted with light-speed weaponry (i.e. lasers), at incredibly high speeds, by AIs acting and reacting faster than the human mind can comprehend. But that doesn't make for good cinema, does it?
Whaaaaaa? That would never exist. Okay, maybe if we worked for 40 years, we could come up with a semi-automated system.

Sarcasm aside, laser versions of the linked weapon systems are in development, if you'd like some light reading on a science fiction to science fact subject.


Yup, automated weapons systems are already a thing- next step would be giving the computer full control of the vehicle's motion. And then getting rid of the squishy human part, so that they can pull insane manoeuvres at 100s of Gs without smearing human all over the cockpit.
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:41 pm

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I thought the reason was because George Lucas ripped off was inspired by a bunch of WW2 war movies?

The Dam Busters, to be specific.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:20 pm

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  • Some theorize that deep-space crews will standardize on port and starboard, with the latter in the direction of the system's star nexus.


Huh, cool, I hadn't seen that before. I quite like it as a navigational aid :) But you'd presume that in combat you'd throw that concept out the window- "the enemy's gate is down", and al that.


Thing is, a map of a star system is a dynamic model of orbital shells and energized tracks. Things are constantly moving, so it makes sense that the gravitational nexus would be standardized as a navigational frame of reference. The method is from Campbell's Lost Fleet books, which I really enjoyed.

In the example of an "enemy's gate", its simple coordinates would be given as an arc increment from a 'star'-board bearing taken aboard the formation lead. The nominal distance to the gate would be in light-seconds/-minutes/-hours. Globular volumes that represent the limits of surveillance and coordination for ship formations are similarly localized. Visibility across millions of miles (light-minutes) is appended with time-late indices, to reflect observational latencies.

Agreed! Some of the Culture books have that style of space combat, and it's extremely cool to read about from the point of the view of the AI.


I found the AI eminences interesting as socialized champions to the civilizations, knights who fight complex domination battles in space, on ground, and in minds.

If you like things relativistic and telescoping in a shifting world, you should check Haldeman's Forever series.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:06 pm

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I thought the reason was because George Lucas ripped off was inspired by a bunch of WW2 war movies?

The Dam Busters, to be specific.
Which is a quite good movie if you ever get the chance to watch it. There are some bits of exceptional cleverness involved (especially how to fly dozens of feet over the water at night with poor instrumentation and not crash). It's one more example of how some very clever people came up with some very innovative solutions to difficult problems with life and death on the line.
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It's one more example of how some very clever people came up with some very innovative solutions to difficult problems with life and death on the line.

And a couple of shillings to spend on the problems.
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:21 pm

The best thing about The Last Jedi is that it can have a little something for everyone's taste. :)

Well... with a little editing.
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The best thing about The Last Jedi is that it can have a little something for everyone's taste. :)

Well... with a little editing.


Ha, thanks so much!
 
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Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:29 pm

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The best thing about The Last Jedi is that it can have a little something for everyone's taste. :)

Well... with a little editing.


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Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:57 pm

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The best thing about The Last Jedi is that it can have a little something for everyone's taste. :)

Well... with a little editing.

found my favorite version in that list.
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The trick is to find the exact runtime of any music.
I might plan one.... Hm.....
 
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Another Star Wars movie series is coming—from Game of Thrones‘ showrunners

So not just another movie, but another trilogy separate from the main series and the secondary Rian Johnson arcs is now in the works.
 
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I'm not super excited that Rian Johnson still has a job after TLJ. So I am not expecting much from his 'arc'. But Benioff and Weis, now that I can get behind. But I cannot imagine that there would be two SW arcs in movie format. One of these has got to be the Netflix (Or Disney's own streaming service called Movies Anywhere) show or something.

But what about that Solo teaser. Looks real good to me.
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Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:15 pm

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But what about that Solo teaser. Looks real good to me.


Yep, we need a fun Star Wars movie after that last episode. I like how people are linking the easter eggs Ron Howard may be putting in the movie with references to his history with George Lucas in American Graffiti which also starred Harrison Ford. And how Solo's speeder in the chase scene looks like a Ford Falcon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Graffiti

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EW's article here posted yesterday gives more background on Howard's relationship with Lucas and what happened on the directorship changes. Interestingly he mentioned Lucas came by hung out on the set and even made a small scene change. Also the article's author provides some details of each character in the new film.
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I'm not super excited that Rian Johnson still has a job after TLJ. So I am not expecting much from his 'arc'. But Benioff and Weis, now that I can get behind. But I cannot imagine that there would be two SW arcs in movie format...


Well, they could do something like an OutBound Flight-style trilogy, bring in a Thrawn and/or a Yuuzhang Vong. It wouldn't even have to course through the same galaxy.

I'm not into GoT-style fantasy, so I can't really comment on how that background could be of benefit here.
 
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.......Yuuzhang Vong.......


Oh geeze, please anything but them! Let them die with the EU.
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Yuuzhan Vong is soooooo old school.
Killiks are the ones you want.
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Yuuzhan Vong is soooooo old school.
Killiks are the ones you want.



You realize that the Yuuzhan Vong and Killik existed in the same time, right? In fact you really cannot tell the story of Yuuzhan Vong without the Killik because both were integral to the Galactic Civil War. And again one thing that needs to die with the EU because it was such a crap story line.
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Oh geeze, please anything but them! Let them die with the EU.


I'll settle for a Thrawn-alike who would restore the Empire through the First Order.
 
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I liked the Killiks trilogy (Dark Nest Trilogy) because it put the mighty Jaina Solo in her place and the big three really got off the sofa and told the galaxy who's really boss.
edit: Trackerben, you mean... Thrawn?
 
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I liked the Killiks trilogy (Dark Nest Trilogy) because it put the mighty Jaina Solo in her place and the big three really got off the sofa and told the galaxy who's really boss.


Non-cannon. And at this point with the introduction of Ben Solo it'll probably stay that way unless someone retconn's it later. We shall see, the SW universe is just ramping up.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:37 am

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I liked the Killiks trilogy (Dark Nest Trilogy) because it put the mighty Jaina Solo in her place and the big three really got off the sofa and told the galaxy who's really boss.


Non-cannon. And at this point with the introduction of Ben Solo it'll probably stay that way unless someone retconn's it later. We shall see, the SW universe is just ramping up.

"ramping up". You meaning coming back to life after having 3 limbs amputated for no good reason other than Disney wanted more flexibility to not have to work within the confines of an existing canon. Also, the "ramping up" is line a 2 stroke engine turning on when you don't have the choke set properly. The last attempt was the worst one yet.
 
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:06 pm

No, ramping up like Marvel.

Disney has announced:
2 Netflix serials
2 Movies Anywhere serials (aka Disney streaming service, used to be called Disney Anywhere.)
1 Replacement to Rebels
and at least 3-8 Movies in the hopper.
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Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:22 pm

There are some who think what Marvel is doing is wrong.
Anyway, here's an article
https://undeadwalking.com/2018/02/12/wa ... l-january/

Apparently marvel sales are relatively down.

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