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chuckula wrote:I've always been a fan of concrete construction myself. I like trees in a forest around an ICF home that can stand up to mother nature better.
Redocbew wrote:I assume they mean softwoods like spruce and pine in contrast to hardwoods like hard maple and mahogany. Construction grade lumber is almost always made from softwoods instead of hardwood. Redwood is the only example I can think of offhand where a hardwood is used as construction grade lumber, but that's usually for a deck or something highly visible that isn't going to get covered over in drywall anyway.
chuckula wrote:I've always been a fan of concrete construction myself. I like trees in a forest around an ICF home that can stand up to mother nature better.
ludi wrote:when walls and subfloors have been sitting in deep water for a couple days or more there's no amount of drying out that will save them. Thinner materials like 2x4 pine tend to warp and split, plywood floor materials warp and delaminate, and the mold and rot starts in joints and seams. The best you can hope for is to salvage the structural portions of the building, worst case you push the whole thing over and start fresh. The materials required to rebuild an area flooded on this scale are going to suck down the North American supply chains for some time.
layerup wrote:Redocbew wrote:I assume they mean softwoods like spruce and pine in contrast to hardwoods like hard maple and mahogany. Construction grade lumber is almost always made from softwoods instead of hardwood. Redwood is the only example I can think of offhand where a hardwood is used as construction grade lumber, but that's usually for a deck or something highly visible that isn't going to get covered over in drywall anyway.
Yes, I realize his argument, but my point was that I'm not sure how Ludi came to the conclusion that SPF would be in shortage, because it is grown and milled in Canada. Perhaps there will be some acute reduction in availability in the Texas gulf coast for a short time, but commodity building materials such as dimensional lumber tend to always be available. He may have argued that Southern Pine availability may have become slightly constrained, but southern pine isn't often used in Texas anyway.
layerup wrote:Redocbew wrote:Yes, I realize his argument, but my point was that I'm not sure how Ludi came to the conclusion that SPF would be in shortage, because it is grown and milled in Canada. Perhaps there will be some acute reduction in availability in the Texas gulf coast for a short time, but commodity building materials such as dimensional lumber tend to always be available.
ludi wrote:IIRC, Houston has some of the greatest population growth in the nation, as does Austin (and possibly DFW). In other words, yes, the impact/demand on construction should be greater than that of post-Katrina New Orleans. Anything that isn't rebuilt in Houston will probably just move to another Texas city.The effects of that remain to be seen. IIRC the market effects after Katrina were not as severe as predicted but at the same time, a large portion of New Orleans was either not rebuilt or rebuilt a long time after the fact. I don't see Houston being that slow to recover.
DancinJack wrote:Ruh roh. Looks like some Superfund sites have been flooded. Hopefully they can control it, because if not, ****.
https://apnews.com/27796dd13b9549b0ac76aded58a15122
the wrote:Overall, I think they are correct that there isn't a supply side shortage. Rather the issue is a shipping logistics issue as the supply they do have available simply isn't reaching their destinations, even areas not directly hit by the hurricane. How much of the transport for gas when through that part of Texas that was impacted though?
just brew it! wrote:DancinJack wrote:Ruh roh. Looks like some Superfund sites have been flooded. Hopefully they can control it, because if not, ****.
https://apnews.com/27796dd13b9549b0ac76aded58a15122
Anything in the upper layers of soil has likely already leached out into the flood water and been spread far and wide. The billion dollar question is, what (if anything) got leached, and if so, how much? The situation could be anything from "meh, we're no worse off than we were already" to "holy crap, now we've got really nasty carcinogenic crap spread all over the damn place". We just don't know yet.
Kougar wrote:I've seen aerial photos of Costco stations in Texas and it's like 1973 redux. In one photo from yesterday there were over 80+ cars in line at a single Costco gas station, and you have to be a member to buy that gas.
just brew it! wrote:Heck, it isn't unusual to see 30+ cars in line at our local Costco on a normal weekend. They're almost always at least 5 cents/gallon less than anyone else in the area, so if you're a member that's where you buy your gas.
The Egg wrote:just brew it! wrote:Heck, it isn't unusual to see 30+ cars in line at our local Costco on a normal weekend. They're almost always at least 5 cents/gallon less than anyone else in the area, so if you're a member that's where you buy your gas.
Really? I'm guessing that's mostly older folks....overvaluing today's dollar versus their time. At that rate, Costco would be saving me about 55 cents on an average pump. Nowhere near the trouble if there's 30 cars.
Kougar wrote:Apparently, it was fake news:just brew it! wrote:Jesus, never even crossed my mind. Will be forwarding that report to my mother.DancinJack wrote:Ruh roh. Looks like some Superfund sites have been flooded. Hopefully they can control it, because if not, ****.
https://apnews.com/27796dd13b9549b0ac76aded58a15122
Anything in the upper layers of soil has likely already leached out into the flood water and been spread far and wide. The billion dollar question is, what (if anything) got leached, and if so, how much? The situation could be anything from "meh, we're no worse off than we were already" to "holy crap, now we've got really nasty carcinogenic crap spread all over the damn place". We just don't know yet.
Liz Bowman, EPA wrote:Once again, in an attempt to mislead Americans, the Associated Press is cherry-picking facts, as EPA is monitoring Superfund sites around Houston and we have a team of experts on the ground working with our state and local counterparts responding to Hurricane Harvey. Anything to the contrary is yellow journalism.
just brew it! wrote:Yeah, shaping up to be a very messy hurricane season this year. And we've still got a couple of months to go.
Captain Ned wrote:just brew it! wrote:Yeah, shaping up to be a very messy hurricane season this year. And we've still got a couple of months to go.
Truth be told we've had a good run, seeing as the last "major hurricane" (Cat 3 or more) to hit the continental US came in 2005 (Matthew). People remember the pain, but don't remember the peaceful lulls.