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ptsant wrote:End User wrote:ptsant wrote:Sorry, but a car with rear-engine is fundamentally wrong. I'd rather have a Cayman 981 GT4 (if you are into Porsche) or Ferrari 458 (no, not the latest turbo one).
A 991.2 GT3 will grind a 981 GT4 to a pulp and not think twice about it. Porsche hampered the GT4 with overly tall gearing.
You are comparing a car costing (local prices) $180k vs ~$120k. I sure hope the GT3 wins.
ptsant wrote:It appears that the Cayman gt4 has a very fast lap time at he Nurburgring, compared with such exotics as the GT3 RS and the Audi R8.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015 ... ound-the-n
notfred wrote:Renault weren't the only ones throwing F1 motors in "production" vehicles. The Ford Transit Supervan 3 originally had a Cosworth V8 in it.
The Egg wrote:I can't get into any of the new american muscle cars. They've got crazy high HP and I'm sure they're a blast, but they're also rather oaf'ish by today's standards. They don't have the character of the classics, and high horsepower alone just doesn't impress me these days.
It also seems like american sports cars have been priced well outside the range of their target demographic since at least the mid-90's.
End User wrote:You stated that "a car with rear-engine is fundamentally wrong". You did not mention anything about price. Apparently you are not aware of the price of a 458.
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The current rear-engined 991.2 GT3 beat both the mid-engined 981 GT4 (27 seconds) and the mid-engined 458 (15 seconds). The 991.2 GT2 RS is 26 seconds faster than the 991.2 GT3! It is absolutely amazing what Porsche has done with the 911.
I'd love to see that Singer Williams post a time.
ptsant wrote:End User wrote:You stated that "a car with rear-engine is fundamentally wrong". You did not mention anything about price. Apparently you are not aware of the price of a 458.
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The current rear-engined 991.2 GT3 beat both the mid-engined 981 GT4 (27 seconds) and the mid-engined 458 (15 seconds). The 991.2 GT2 RS is 26 seconds faster than the 991.2 GT3! It is absolutely amazing what Porsche has done with the 911.
I'd love to see that Singer Williams post a time.
I still stand by my initial statement because I prefer a car that has a more neutral balance
The Egg wrote:I can't get into any of the new american muscle cars. They've got crazy high HP and I'm sure they're a blast, but they're also rather oaf'ish by today's standards. They don't have the character of the classics, and high horsepower alone just doesn't impress me these days.
It also seems like american sports cars have been priced well outside the range of their target demographic since at least the mid-90's.
End User wrote:The Egg wrote:I can't get into any of the new american muscle cars. They've got crazy high HP and I'm sure they're a blast, but they're also rather oaf'ish by today's standards. They don't have the character of the classics, and high horsepower alone just doesn't impress me these days.
It also seems like american sports cars have been priced well outside the range of their target demographic since at least the mid-90's.
What are you smoking. It is the golden age of the American muscle car. The Mustang 350R and the Camaro 1SS 1LE are absolute track monsters with tons of character. The 1SS 1LE is an absolute performance bargain. The new 2018 Mustang GT with Performance Pack Level 2 is looking particularly tasty.
hkuspc40 wrote:LOL talking about modern Chrysler vehicles (which are garbage) on a post about Porsche is funny. Not even remotely the same league of vehicle. American corporations are too concerned with spending only enough to make a sale rather than spending however much it takes to make it perfect (as they're able).
End User wrote:What are you smoking. It is the golden age of the American muscle car. The Mustang 350R and the Camaro 1SS 1LE are absolute track monsters with tons of character. The 1SS 1LE is an absolute performance bargain. The new 2018 Mustang GT with Performance Pack Level 2 is looking particularly tasty.
ptsant wrote:By the way, a 458 Challenge (the "sportier" version) with 5000km costs less than a new 911GT3, so the Ferrari enters into the equation if you are not opposed to buying second hand. Actually, I counted 22 used Ferrari 458 that are on sale for less than a new GT3 in a range of 200km, so you even get to choose colors and extras. The *new* Ferrari 488 is much more expensive, of course, but I would avoid the turbo if possible.
Chrispy_ wrote:ptsant wrote:By the way, a 458 Challenge (the "sportier" version) with 5000km costs less than a new 911GT3, so the Ferrari enters into the equation if you are not opposed to buying second hand. Actually, I counted 22 used Ferrari 458 that are on sale for less than a new GT3 in a range of 200km, so you even get to choose colors and extras. The *new* Ferrari 488 is much more expensive, of course, but I would avoid the turbo if possible.
This discussion started off interesting and credible, but has rapidly degenerated into you arguing with everyone that your opinion is the only right one using ridiculous comparisons. Once you start saying that a really expensive car is cheaper than a much cheaper car because you can buy the expensive one from the used market, you know you're getting desperate and should just take a step back and look at what you're saying.
The Egg wrote:End User wrote:The Egg wrote:I can't get into any of the new american muscle cars. They've got crazy high HP and I'm sure they're a blast, but they're also rather oaf'ish by today's standards. They don't have the character of the classics, and high horsepower alone just doesn't impress me these days.
It also seems like american sports cars have been priced well outside the range of their target demographic since at least the mid-90's.
What are you smoking. It is the golden age of the American muscle car. The Mustang 350R and the Camaro 1SS 1LE are absolute track monsters with tons of character. The 1SS 1LE is an absolute performance bargain. The new 2018 Mustang GT with Performance Pack Level 2 is looking particularly tasty.
Your definition of "golden age" must be vastly different from mine. My dad bought a '68 Chevelle SS396 brand new and entirely on his own when he was 21. Sure, times are different, but the GT350R starts at 65 grand. That's untouchable by the entirety of their target demographic