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I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:25 pm

OK, I'm not really much for people with crazy hair on the purported "History" channel spouting off about Aliens* but there's been a recently disclosed encounter from 2004 between something weird, a U.S. Navy Aegis Cruiser, and up to six F-18s off the coast of California that's definitely not normal.

Here's just one article about the incident that includes FLIR video.

This article includes more specifics about the incident.

This isn't some drunk guy who stumbled out of his trailer with a bad camera, this is an incident that involved radar and visual tracking of objects by both a ship and multiple highly trained F-18 pilots.
So I'm not saying it was aliens... but it sure wasn't normal.

* I'm pretty sure aliens didn't build the pyramids, but I think they might have redone the parking lot at my local Walmart! [rimshot]
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:12 pm

Highly trained observer and weapons operators.

"Look at that thing Dude!"

I couldn't help but think of Dell Dude. It feels so wrong hearing an F18 pilot use those words lol.
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:44 pm

They were probably just bored while being required to take part in this guys pet project.

He should be watching Tabby's star also if he's into aliens, but that'd be an even harder sell to the DOD than this. :P
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:28 am

I'm with the Defense Department on this one.. why *try* and deal with something you probably can't (or more likely: shouldn't)?

Anything that can get here from such a vast distance more than likely is at a technological level that is just beyond anything we can do - and likely will be for a very long time (..unless we undergo some sort of rapid technological change a'la massive well-developed "sentient" AI creating new tech. at a phenomenal rate.).


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gr ... e7c72ee56b



2 cent Defense Department protocol for UFO: don't mess with them. (..things you can't deal with - obviously still tracking other national tech..)
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:31 am

Welch wrote:
Highly trained observer and weapons operators.

"Look at that thing Dude!"

I couldn't help but think of Dell Dude. It feels so wrong hearing an F18 pilot use those words lol.

Oh, c'mon. These are the guys who draw penises in the sky with their jet exhaust.
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:34 am

..and they are probably claiming its a selfie. :wink:
 
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:42 am

Was surprised there wasn't a thread on this already. :lol:

Just listening to the pilots talking during the footage was particularly interesting... the thing easily outpaced an F-18, yet could also hover with visibly churning water under it. Multiple pilots saw it, and the radar techs had been tracking the object and similar profile targets near the Nimitz for days prior to the intercept order. Pretty crazy all the way around. I'd think the ability to fly that fast yet also hover in place rules out pretty much anything terrestrial in origin.
 
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:52 am

Kougar wrote:
..I'd think the ability to fly that fast yet also hover in place rules out pretty much anything terrestrial in origin.


A certain recent movie quote sum's this up nicely:

(something like):

"I think (they) are tooling with you sir."
 
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:21 am

just brew it! wrote:
Welch wrote:
Highly trained observer and weapons operators.

"Look at that thing Dude!"

I couldn't help but think of Dell Dude. It feels so wrong hearing an F18 pilot use those words lol.

Oh, c'mon. These are the guys who draw penises in the sky with their jet exhaust.


Tru dat bro.
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:04 am

just brew it! wrote:
Welch wrote:
Highly trained observer and weapons operators.

"Look at that thing Dude!"

I couldn't help but think of Dell Dude. It feels so wrong hearing an F18 pilot use those words lol.

Oh, c'mon. These are the guys who draw penises in the sky with their jet exhaust.


Well, I don't know why anyone would be upset about that. It's a pretty good representation of America's maturity right now. :lol:
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:19 am

Half Life 3 confirmed.

FINALLY.
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:25 am

There's a long history of amazing and at times unrecognizable objects in the sky. It's only recently that events are being recorded with sensors that allow some to be categorized as non-natural in origin. Thing is, this trend towards observation was predicted long before we had the capability to do so.
 
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:39 am

kvndoom wrote:
Half Life 3 confirmed.

FINALLY.


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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:17 am

I'm not saying it was aliens...but nothing. I'm saying it probably was not aliens.

So here's the thing. No matter what the Pentagon knows about these objects, they probably can't say anything. If this was a US DoD project, they would be protecting secrets about US capabilities. If it was a hostile power, the Pentagon doesn't want said power to know what we know (and they would be protecting HOW we know what we know). Heck, even if the Pentagon knows nothing about this object, they would still want to keep a good poker face.

Barring a revelation in interstellar travel methods, my gut says this object was terrestrial. We're seeing plenty of drones being deployed and developed for commercial and military use, and an unmanned vehicle will be able to accelerate much faster without emulsifying the pilot. Ideally, this was a deep, dark, "don't let ANYONE know about this" project backed by the Pentagon just to see what the limits of UAV technology are, and one test flight accidentally overlapped with a separate training exercise.
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:11 pm

Not Hollywood aliens for sure. In all history, there have never been good observations of life beyond inhabited space. The reported performance - almost vertical descent ascent then transit at Mach 3+ from near sea level - is well beyond our present capability.

Brahmos-type ramjets cannot fly that profile, proposed hypersonic planes only use such speeds at the edge of space. If the 2004 incident involved an airframe, it maneuvered like Aladdin's carpet while thrusting as a missile and eating atmosphere.
 
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:18 pm

superjawes wrote:
We're seeing plenty of drones being deployed and developed for commercial and military use, and an unmanned vehicle will be able to accelerate much faster without emulsifying the pilot. Ideally, this was a deep, dark, "don't let ANYONE know about this" project backed by the Pentagon just to see what the limits of UAV technology are, and one test flight accidentally overlapped with a separate training exercise.

But Occam's razor is soooooo boring.
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:56 pm

ludi wrote:
superjawes wrote:
We're seeing plenty of drones being deployed and developed for commercial and military use, and an unmanned vehicle will be able to accelerate much faster without emulsifying the pilot. Ideally, this was a deep, dark, "don't let ANYONE know about this" project backed by the Pentagon just to see what the limits of UAV technology are, and one test flight accidentally overlapped with a separate training exercise.

But Occam's razor is soooooo boring.

Hey. Discovering real, sentient aliens would be hella cool, and probably the most important even in human history. But I'd rather keep my expectations low and be pleasantly surprised when it really happens.
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:55 pm

CScottG wrote:
A certain recent movie quote sum's this up nicely:

(something like):

"I think (they) are tooling with you sir."


It is easy to dismiss the pilots of perpetuating a hoax, but what about the footage then? The radio transcripts with ship personnel also tracking the object? The Princeton had been tracking similar radar returns for two weeks prior before vectoring the F-18s over, which means probably all of the radar watch officers saw it.

As I see it to perpetuate this hoax would require tampering with Princeton's radar system , intercept footage tampering, and multiple officers plus both pilots to be in on it.
 
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:44 am

So, you are saying it's aliens. :lol:

After I did a little googling it looks like the weirdly behaving star I mentioned in this thread earlier is slightly less weird now. A new theory of a cloud of dust orbiting the star helps to explain some of the weirdness. It's still weird, but "alien megastructure" is looking less and less likely, and most everyone would have told you it wasn't very like at all in the first place.
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Re: I'm not saying it was Aliens... BUT....

Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:00 am

Kougar wrote:
CScottG wrote:
A certain recent movie quote sum's this up nicely:

(something like):

"I think (they) are tooling with you sir."


It is easy to dismiss the pilots of perpetuating a hoax, but what about the footage then? The radio transcripts with ship personnel also tracking the object? The Princeton had been tracking similar radar returns for two weeks prior before vectoring the F-18s over, which means probably all of the radar watch officers saw it.

As I see it to perpetuate this hoax would require tampering with Princeton's radar system , intercept footage tampering, and multiple officers plus both pilots to be in on it.



No.

The "pilots" of the UFO are tooling with the pilots of the F-18s. :wink:

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