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uni-mitation wrote:In the same week, in the same way, as Kate Spade.Apparently, the cause of death is suicide. It seems we all have our inner demons; be kind to others for we don't know what theirs are. There are resources if you or a loved one feels like you though of suicide.
strangerguy wrote:In the the same week the CDC also published about US suicide rates are up 30% since 1999. I think its an existential crisis thing, and more and more people for one reason or another are sadly running into it.
just brew it! wrote:strangerguy wrote:In the the same week the CDC also published about US suicide rates are up 30% since 1999. I think its an existential crisis thing, and more and more people for one reason or another are sadly running into it.
I'd bet a non-trivial percentage of them are members of the armed forces who served in the Middle East and came back with PTSD.
DancinJack wrote:Super, super sad about this one.
If any of you haven't read "Kitchen Confidential," you should. My recommendation has nothing to do with wanting to be a chef or food, it's just a damn good book.
https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Confiden ... 0060899220
Usacomp2k3 wrote:Maybe this should be a split into R&P but I’d be interested in the age of suiciders in that study. My uneducated opinion is that people aren’t told to suck it up or get over it as much at a young age and so find more of their life unbearable.
Brewineer wrote:I take issue with this generalization. Suggesting that people with depression should "suck it up" is a very dangerous thing.
Brewineer wrote:Usacomp2k3 wrote:Maybe this should be a split into R&P but I’d be interested in the age of suiciders in that study. My uneducated opinion is that people aren’t told to suck it up or get over it as much at a young age and so find more of their life unbearable.
I take issue with this generalization. Suggesting that people with depression should "suck it up" is a very dangerous thing.
Being told to bottle up, ignore, and not process their emotions can cause emotional deprivation and isolation and lead to depression. People attempting to normalize severe mood disorders can be very harmful.
No one can just wish away their mood disorders, and it took a long time to get a handle on my anxiety, or even recognize that it was abnormal and could be treated.
I "sucked it up" and went to work for months in a row having regular panic attacks, and worked for years in a field that would consistently cause these reactions (changing careers helped very little). I never even thought there was something wrong with me because "everyone gets nervous" and "you're doing fine" or people getting mad at me for telling them I was miserable. No one believed I was in such pain because I did such a good job sucking it up.
This is what my life experience has been, and if one more person had told me to just "get over it" I might not be here to type this. Believe you me, people in my situation are constantly telling themselves to get over it and be OK.
I'm sure you didn't mean any harm, and I am in a much better place in my life now that I am processing my emotions in healthy, productive way with therapy and medication. I am actually back working in that original career and doing quite well.
Here's some hilarious takes on understanding depression, and I've never found a better way to describe it than this "my fish are dead" analogy:
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-part-two.html
Brewineer wrote:Usacomp2k3 wrote:Maybe this should be a split into R&P but I’d be interested in the age of suiciders in that study. My uneducated opinion is that people aren’t told to suck it up or get over it as much at a young age and so find more of their life unbearable.
I take issue with this generalization. Suggesting that people with depression should "suck it up" is a very dangerous thing.
Being told to bottle up, ignore, and not process their emotions can cause emotional deprivation and isolation and lead to depression. People attempting to normalize severe mood disorders can be very harmful.
No one can just wish away their mood disorders, and it took a long time to get a handle on my anxiety, or even recognize that it was abnormal and could be treated.
I "sucked it up" and went to work for months in a row having regular panic attacks, and worked for years in a field that would consistently cause these reactions (changing careers helped very little). I never even thought there was something wrong with me because "everyone gets nervous" and "you're doing fine" or people getting mad at me for telling them I was miserable. No one believed I was in such pain because I did such a good job sucking it up.
This is what my life experience has been, and if one more person had told me to just "get over it" I might not be here to type this. Believe you me, people in my situation are constantly telling themselves to get over it and be OK.
I'm sure you didn't mean any harm, and I am in a much better place in my life now that I am processing my emotions in healthy, productive way with therapy and medication. I am actually back working in that original career and doing quite well.
Here's some hilarious takes on understanding depression, and I've never found a better way to describe it than this "my fish are dead" analogy:
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-part-two.html
Chuckaluphagus wrote:DancinJack wrote:Super, super sad about this one.
If any of you haven't read "Kitchen Confidential," you should. My recommendation has nothing to do with wanting to be a chef or food, it's just a damn good book.
https://www.amazon.com/Kitchen-Confiden ... 0060899220
It is a good book, but I found his television series from No Reservations on to be his most important works. Food, culture, politics, bringing foreign societies into the viewer's home and presenting them well. Some of the best documentary television I've ever seen, and he kept at it for years.
CScottG wrote:If there was something that "set him off" AND altered his thinking (like some sort of drug), then maybe.. but really, hanging yourself (at 6'4") with a small bathrobe tie (and expecting anything to support your weight in a hotel not exactly known for its high ceilings)? Of course for the locals "apparent suicide" sure seems a lot more appealing than "celebrity murdered in charming 5 star hotel" (..particularly if the murder was well done - leaving little physical evidence beyond obvious inconsistencies).
ludi wrote:It happened in France, not, say, South Africa or Belize. No need to dull Occam's Razor looking for a conspiracy just yet.
Kaleid wrote:I don't understand for which reason he would be assassinated.
Usacomp2k3 wrote:I apologize to those individual who took it a little harsher than I meant. I certainly would never demean the issues that people struggle with in their life. I’m sorry.
cynan wrote:I agree 100%. The phrase "suck it up" has too strong a connotation that the course for correction - or worse, even the blame, if there is such a thing for a condition such as depression or anxiety - lies with the sufferer. It is antagonistic and unhelpful. However, I think it is key to avoid robbing individual autonomy. Whenever possible, the more the sufferer can be empowered to exert control to ameliorate their condition, the more it seems to "stick". The best outcomes of behavioral correction seems to arise when the sufferer (either alone, or guided by therapist, etc) can successfully brake down the root causes into increasingly manageable pieces that the individual can, over time, overcome one by one. As far as I can tell, this is the only real sustainable way of overcoming these issues - to determine how one can come to terms with whatever has prompted the condition in whatever breakdown is manageable and develop the confidence and autonomy to progressively move forward.
CScottG wrote:Kaleid wrote:I don't understand for which reason he would be assassinated.
I wouldn't limit it to assasination. It could be "garden variety" murder or murder-for-hire. Or of course it could just be suicide. I just think that it appears less probable to be suicide with the meager facts given. (..the "mechanics" of hanging yourself as a person 6' 4" in a room that probably isn't higher than 9 feet and has few (if any) viable areas to support such an act seems "off". Who knows though, maybe his suite had vaulted ceilings with beams?)
Brewineer wrote:...Being told to bottle up, ignore, and not process their emotions can cause emotional deprivation and isolation and lead to depression. People attempting to normalize severe mood disorders can be very harmful.
No one can just wish away their mood disorders, and it took a long time to get a handle on my anxiety, or even recognize that it was abnormal and could be treated.
I "sucked it up" and went to work for months in a row having regular panic attacks, and worked for years in a field that would consistently cause these reactions (changing careers helped very little). I never even thought there was something wrong with me because "everyone gets nervous" and "you're doing fine" or people getting mad at me for telling them I was miserable. No one believed I was in such pain because I did such a good job sucking it up.
This is what my life experience has been, and if one more person had told me to just "get over it" I might not be here to type this. Believe you me, people in my situation are constantly telling themselves to get over it and be OK....
TheEmrys wrote:
People often enough choose hanging because it ensures that there second thoughts don't matter. Same as a firearm. They take a moment of commitment. Same goes for jumping off a high building or a cliff. Other methods such as wrist slashing often allow for a way back. Staunch the flow of blood, and get help.
Sadly, it doesn't take much to hang one's self. Really, all it takes is a door and bedsheets. Just like with drowning, it is just a matter of finding the correct angles.
CScottG wrote:TheEmrys wrote:
People often enough choose hanging because it ensures that there second thoughts don't matter. Same as a firearm. They take a moment of commitment. Same goes for jumping off a high building or a cliff. Other methods such as wrist slashing often allow for a way back. Staunch the flow of blood, and get help.
Sadly, it doesn't take much to hang one's self. Really, all it takes is a door and bedsheets. Just like with drowning, it is just a matter of finding the correct angles.
IF you can fall from enough height for a clean neck break, then sure - it's the same as a firearm. Otherwise it's self strangulation - which would likely be difficult to tolerate without taking simple reflexive measures to ensure you survive.
Look through the hotel's bedrooms and factor-in Tony's height (and look for areas of probable support):
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb ... oioIrAEwDA
-on the other hand, murder by strangulation while the victim is sleeping is comparativly simple. (..and a bathrobe tie is certainly far more plausible in length for that sort of action with a couple of wraps around each forearm for a tight hold on the tie.)
CScottG wrote:I think we are straying from a plausible "impulsive" suicide at that point to something requiring more thought and planning (which may have occured despite the report of "impulsive"). ..however, if you put that much thought into it, why not use heroine? (..I believe he's even mentioned that if he were to comit suicide it would be with heroine, as a previous user.)