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What should I write a "review" of?

Poll ended at Wed May 29, 2019 12:16 pm

Potato cannoning
4 (8%)
Cooling fan blowout
7 (13%)
Bluetooth OBD2 dongles
3 (6%)
Optane experimentation
10 (19%)
Exotic steak preparations
9 (17%)
Portable NAND grudge match
14 (27%)
Real world RX 560 performance
5 (10%)
 
Total votes: 52
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - Poll is live!

Fri May 24, 2019 3:57 pm

Voted fans.

Question: have you checked how many of these have been done recently by other publication?

(Asking because I just googled "bluetooth ODB2 readers" and found a few best option review roundups e.g. https://parkingday.org/best-bluetooth-o ... -scanners/ from 16th March as the top hit.)
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - Poll is live!

Fri May 24, 2019 4:39 pm

Buub wrote:
What is this abomination?! I thought you were actually talking about FOOD!


2.0 will be an abomination. 1.0 is just the appetizer.

Topinio wrote:
Voted fans.

Question: have you checked how many of these have been done recently by other publication?


Me? Nope, wasn't a factor. Gerbils get what gerbils want, doesn't matter to me what the review-verse has done recently.
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - Poll is live!

Fri May 24, 2019 5:39 pm

Choice review

pick 5 linux distros and rank them in order as the best windows replacements
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - Poll is live!

Fri May 24, 2019 6:30 pm

anotherengineer wrote:
Choice review

pick 5 linux distros and rank them in order as the best windows replacements

6: macOS

Next review?
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - Poll is live!

Fri May 24, 2019 6:49 pm

drfish wrote:
Topinio wrote:
Voted fans.

Question: have you checked how many of these have been done recently by other publication?


Me? Nope, wasn't a factor. Gerbils get what gerbils want, doesn't matter to me what the review-verse has done recently.

That’s logical. If people are asking for it there must be a reason. For me, I don’t trust other random sites as much as TR.
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - Poll is live!

Fri May 24, 2019 8:20 pm

Topinio wrote:
(Asking because I just googled "bluetooth ODB2 readers" and found a few best option review roundups e.g. https://parkingday.org/best-bluetooth-o ... -scanners/ from 16th March as the top hit.)

That's a terrible review. A bunch of those are cheap Chinese ELM327 clones hooked to a generic BT UART.
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - Poll is live!

Sat May 25, 2019 5:00 am

superjawes wrote:
There's a good chance I would have chosen the steak-related option regardless, but you really caught my attention with the "exotic" addition :lol:


All hail the steak orthodoxy!

I voted in favor of the steak inquisition so that we may know which 'exotic' preparation method is the least blasphemous.
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - Poll is live!

Tue May 28, 2019 2:17 pm

Less than 24 hours to go before the poll is closed. Optane has a small lead as of this post.
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - last day to vote!

Tue May 28, 2019 6:17 pm

The NAND battle has taken a one vote lead as I type this, either of the top two voted items could make for interesting reading imo.
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - last day to vote!

Tue May 28, 2019 6:19 pm

It's been pretty close for most of the time the poll has been open. I doubt anyone would be disappointed if there was more than one story to come out of this. :D
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Thu May 30, 2019 5:57 am

Portable NAND grudge match pulls out the win. Ok, let me start thinking about what to do with this. :)
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 8:27 am

"Portable NAND".....as in?....flash drives? cards? size/format? Not sure what the consensus was.
So many questions
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 8:33 am

Aw, shucks! My suggestion to put up Archimedes' death ray array of mirrors on your neighbor's roof didn't get a single vote.
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 8:38 am

DPete27 wrote:
"Portable NAND".....as in?....flash drives? cards? size/format? Not sure what the consensus was.
So many questions


I'm mulling over the same question. Input is welcome.
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 8:56 am

I'd like to see USB drives and SD cards. USB drives are super common for moving files. SD cards are used a lot in fruit SBC's as the OS drive. If I had to choose one I'd do the SD cards.
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 8:59 am

USB sticks. Performance, data retention, torture test. Do they die by going read only, die slowly getting slower, die by suddenly refusing to be recognised? USB3 sticks on USB2 ports (and vice-versa) do they max out the USB2 speed or is there some subtle issues? Are the free ones givin out at shows worse than the Kingston Datatraveller G4?
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 10:01 am

notfred wrote:
USB sticks. Performance, data retention, torture test. Do they die by going read only, die slowly getting slower, die by suddenly refusing to be recognised? USB3 sticks on USB2 ports (and vice-versa) do they max out the USB2 speed or is there some subtle issues? Are the free ones givin out at shows worse than the Kingston Datatraveller G4?

I'll add: heat of high-end usb sticks. I know my Sandisk Extreme Pro gets mighty hot when you are transferring huge gobs of data to it. I'd be curious if the heat would shorten it's lifespan.
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 10:32 am

Congrats to the winner. :)

notfred wrote:
Do they die by going read only, die slowly getting slower, die by suddenly refusing to be recognised?

The old SSD long-term test showed surprisingly poor end-of-life behavior from most, even Intel. I'd expect UFDs to be worse.

TBW-to-death is fun, retention is more interesting. But how can you test it? Begin with 2,000 write cycles on 30 units per model, then verify checksums once per 4 months, starting with 1 unit and adding an extra one every test cycle until reaching 10 years?
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 11:41 am

End-of-life behavior is interesting but don't expect a repeat of the SSD endurance test. I simply can't dedicate that much time or hardware to this "review." I'll test to multiple extremes, just don't expect time to be one of them.
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Fri May 31, 2019 12:48 pm

Heat em up and freeze em, throw them in a wash cycle (left in a pants pocket), does that kill them?
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 1:26 pm

drfish wrote:
DPete27 wrote:
"Portable NAND".....as in?....flash drives? cards? size/format? Not sure what the consensus was.
So many questions


I'm mulling over the same question. Input is welcome.


Any and all.

USB Sticks and SD Cards seem like the most obvious. SD Cards would be relevant for Cell Phones. USB Sticks more relevant to the PC Hardware crowd. Both have high risks of sitting in a car at 110F temperatures in the summer.
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 1:49 pm

High-end vs low-end is potentially difficult given the chances of getting garbage / dodgy ones when buying cheap...
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Fri May 31, 2019 2:19 pm

SD cards in dashcams get pretty badly tortured - all those writes of the video files:
https://carcamcentral.com/guide/recomme ... sh-cameras
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 4:29 pm

JustAnEngineer wrote:
Aw, shucks! My suggestion to put up Archimedes' death ray array of mirrors on your neighbor's roof didn't get a single vote.

OOH! The neighbors can feed his solar array!! Niiice.
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 4:36 pm

This article on Anandtech --while good-- seems to throw a wrench into the USB flash testing option, as the whole landscape looks as though it's about to change (assuming the upcoming models come out at reasonably competitive prices).
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 5:18 pm

The Egg wrote:
This article on Anandtech --while good-- seems to throw a wrench into the USB flash testing option, as the whole landscape looks as though it's about to change (assuming the upcoming models come out at reasonably competitive prices).

That's cool. Have a PCB with the controller on 1 side and 2 memory chips on the other side would make for some good performance in a tiny package!
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 7:29 pm

I was wondering about the USB connector itself: how often can you insert and remove a USB drive before the connector fails?

In my experience, USB drives die almost suddenly: you get very little warning (read/write errors), and then the computer no longer recognizes them.

Another question is how to dispose securely of drives that have failed (so you can't simply overwrite the data). Assume a country where most people don't have firearms. ;-)
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Fri May 31, 2019 8:25 pm

Yan wrote:
Another question is how to dispose securely of drives that have failed (so you can't simply overwrite the data). Assume a country where most people don't have firearms. ;-)

Breaking off the USB connector will stop most thieves-of-convenience.
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:57 am

Get UFDs in 8GB, 16GB, 32GB, 64GB and 128GB capacities. One group should be the cheapest ones. The other group should be comprised of good brand UFDs (such as Corsair etc.) available at reasonable prices. Should be all USB 3.0 minimum. Formatted with exFAT.

For the test, a script writes one huge file down to the last available byte on each drive, deletes it and repeats the process 2000 times, noting the time taken for each transfer. At the end, the drive with the highest average write speed and still functioning after 2000 full writes is declared the winner. Format a new drive of the winning model with NTFS and repeat the script to see if changing the filesystem has any impact on the test results. Kudos for also testing ReFS and maybe throwing Linux into the mix.

What would be even cooler? Being able to see the test happening in real time through a web page.
 
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Re: TR Gerbil's Choice Review I - we have a winner!

Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:33 am

Usacomp2k3 wrote:
Breaking off the USB connector will stop most thieves-of-convenience.


Employing a hammer will stop most of the others. :P
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