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Usacomp2k3 wrote:I agree with K-L-Waster that the "EV" aspect of the car doesn't really factor into to buy vs lease. I don't like leases at all for personal vehicles. I also think anything more than a 3 year note is very financially risky. How about finding a few year old Leaf? I have a good friend who bought one for $11k.
Looking for Knowledge wrote:When drunk.....
I want to have sex, but find I am more likely to be shot down than when I am sober.
cheesyking wrote:I'm in Ottawa where we will often see -25C, sometimes -30C and occasionally approach -40C. We had a very long and brutal winter this year. My range is rated as 150km and in the winter it will drop to maybe 110km,Assuming it gets very cold where you live is an EV really that good of an idea? Don't the batteries have problems with really cold weather anyway and then when you factor in having to run the car's heater from the battery too...
just brew it! wrote:The EVSE and outlet is usually ~$1000 CAD as long as you have room in your panel and it isn't too long a run. You have a choice of a plug in EVSE with a NEMA 14-50 outlet or you can direct wire. N.B. Charging will draw a maximum of 32A but you need to wire the circuit as 40A because it is a continuous load under the Electrical Code.Something else to consider when buying an EV... if you don't have an existing 240V outlet in the area where the vehicle will be parked, you need to factor in the cost of having one installed.
notfred wrote:If you do decide to go used then there are some 2016 Soul EV Luxury models that were used as taxi's in Montreal that are currently available. High mileage (130k) but some of them have brand new battery packs - just replaced under warranty. See http://www.mykiasoulev.com/forum/viewto ... f=3&t=1051
just brew it! wrote:Something else to consider when buying an EV... if you don't have an existing 240V outlet in the area where the vehicle will be parked, you need to factor in the cost of having one installed.
notfred wrote:The 2019 Leaf/Leaf+ still lacks battery thermal management, but thankfully the 2019 Kona does have this. So for the Ottawa summers, I should be good. I know our winters will drop the battery capacity (my friend who drives a 2017 Nissan Leaf here in Ottawa says about 25% loss, but I'd like to hear what you lose as well).Mine's been through 4 Ottawa winters with no battery issues and that's generally the case. What kills the batteries is heat - either high ambient temperatures or driving fast and then fast charging (50kW DC).
ludi wrote:Normally I wouldn't suggest leasing anything, but given the uncertainty of EV battery life running through repeated Canadian winters and the lousy resale value on both (a) Hyundai Group vehicles and (b) EVs in general, this might be an exception.
The usual caveat being that you're already financially secure before going into this transaction, i.e., you can afford to do this AND start over with another vehicle lease or purchase when the term expires.
Sargent Duck wrote:ludi wrote:Normally I wouldn't suggest leasing anything, but given the uncertainty of EV battery life running through repeated Canadian winters and the lousy resale value on both (a) Hyundai Group vehicles and (b) EVs in general, this might be an exception.
The usual caveat being that you're already financially secure before going into this transaction, i.e., you can afford to do this AND start over with another vehicle lease or purchase when the term expires.
I've always just outright purchased a used 7 year old car and pretty much run it into the ground. But I've been a stingy bastard and have a pretty good paying job, so I'm kinda looking to treat myself. Although I just treated myself earlier in the year when I upgraded my bike...
*If* I were to purchase this vehicle, I'd probably ride it out right to the end when the rust (I rust proof every year) finally wins the battle, so I'd plan on having this 12-15 years.
Sargent Duck wrote:So mine is rated at 150km, In the winter I see 110km to maybe 100km on the guessometer on the very coldest days where I have been driving down the 417 on the previous day - the Soul isn't aerodynamic and highway speeds seriously hurt its range.The 2019 Leaf/Leaf+ still lacks battery thermal management, but thankfully the 2019 Kona does have this. So for the Ottawa summers, I should be good. I know our winters will drop the battery capacity (my friend who drives a 2017 Nissan Leaf here in Ottawa says about 25% loss, but I'd like to hear what you lose as well).
notfred wrote:Sargent Duck wrote:So mine is rated at 150km, In the winter I see 110km to maybe 100km on the guessometer on the very coldest days where I have been driving down the 417 on the previous day - the Soul isn't aerodynamic and highway speeds seriously hurt its range.The 2019 Leaf/Leaf+ still lacks battery thermal management, but thankfully the 2019 Kona does have this. So for the Ottawa summers, I should be good. I know our winters will drop the battery capacity (my friend who drives a 2017 Nissan Leaf here in Ottawa says about 25% loss, but I'd like to hear what you lose as well).
sweatshopking wrote:Tbh I think anyone buying a new ICE engine in 2019 knowing about the climate issues needs to give their head a shake. I'm fully in favor of a ban on ice engine sales by 2030.
sweatshopking wrote:Couple things:
A kona and a soul Ev are not the same. The soul Ev only gets like 200km per charge. Why it's on the market with that same old system for almost the same price as the kona is beyond me, especially since the new soul is based on the kona platform.
Buying probably makes sense, and they're cheaper in BC. I'm in Calgary and was considering purchasing a kona, but apparently they're not available here and if you bring them in KIA in Calgary won't service them.
The only other tricky part is that there is a huge waitlist for the kona. If you can get one in the near future I'd say go for it.
sweatshopking wrote:Tbh I think anyone buying a new ICE engine in 2019 knowing about the climate issues needs to give their head a shake. I'm fully in favor of a ban on ice engine sales by 2030.
LostCat wrote:sweatshopking wrote:Tbh I think anyone buying a new ICE engine in 2019 knowing about the climate issues needs to give their head a shake. I'm fully in favor of a ban on ice engine sales by 2030.
Until you can convince all the old people that climate change is real, electric vehicles really are cheaper, and they'll be able to take them wherever they want without running out of juice...not likely. Hell my overlord is like "if you get one you're paying half the electric bill!" without having any idea of how much the actual cost of it is.
I'd rather plug-in hybrid myself, as I do a 70-80 mile route five days a week. Wasn't available when I bought though.
Sargent Duck wrote:I've been getting a lot of the "what about the range?"
The Kona has 415km range and that usually silences them. But even then, the amount of times I have driven greater than 400km in the past 5 years has been...twice?
DPete27 wrote:There are some advantages of buying:
1) Generally there are more [frequent] incentives for buying. You might only get $2k knocked off MSRP on a lease, but maybe they can take off more than that on a purchase, depending on what current promotions are running.
2) If you plan on owning the vehicle for a long period of time. Leases generally go anywhere between a 40-60% vehicle depreciation (again depending on the vehicle, and this info is readily available), so say you're at an average of 50% depreciation, if you're looking at a 3 year lease, those equivalent payments will have "bought" the car in 6 years. Obviously, if you're missing out on the 6-year trade-in value of the vehicle if you'd bought it though.