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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:54 am

Nothing spikes my (type 2 diabetic) blood sugar like white rice and/or pasta.

I figure I should just eat more of that and also sugar. That seems legit.


(Real talk I 'cured' my diabetes temporarily while on Keto, consistently had safe blood sugar levels. Unfortunately my blood iron skyrocketed and i gained back the 50 lbs i lost doing it)
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:08 am

tanker27 wrote:
No, it's because of, as JBI pointed out, that you were gullible in inferring that a white rice diet would even be remotely healthy. It's not, a whole Race, Ethnicity, culture is realizing this!


Devil's Advocate: While not that healthy long term, it is only meant for 15 days. The low caloric content and complete lack of refined sugars will definitely make some sort of immediate positive impact for someone who has achieved a pre T2 diabetic state (high insulin resistance/blood-glucose) from a prior long-term diet high in refined sugars and processed carbs, etc, and a lifestyle of taking in more energy than expended.

Edit: This rice cleans-ish diet kind of reminds of of that "Nail Soup" fable, where the hungry charlatan goes door to door with a nail, telling gullible residents that their special nail will make the most wonderful soup. All that is needed is one extra ingredient... and just one more ingredient... and just one final ingredient. In the end, it isn't the nail that makes for a decent soup, but all of the ingredients provided by the resident. Substitute the nail with rice in this scenario, the real benefit to blood-glucose levels coming from calorie restriction and elimination of refined sugar.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:13 am

You can rewire your brain in less time than that. You'd net the same effect if you spent 15 days sucking on nothing more tan Cinnamon Fire Jolly Ranchers! :/ And that would probably be a bit better than white rice.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:26 am

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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:49 am

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tanker27 wrote:
No, it's because of, as JBI pointed out, that you were gullible in inferring that a white rice diet would even be remotely healthy. It's not, a whole Race, Ethnicity, culture is realizing this!

Devil's Advocate: While not that healthy long term, it is only meant for 15 days. The low caloric content and complete lack of refined sugars will definitely make some sort of immediate positive impact for someone who has achieved a pre T2 diabetic state (high insulin resistance/blood-glucose) from a prior long-term diet high in refined sugars and processed carbs, etc, and a lifestyle of taking in more energy than expended.

Edit: This rice cleans-ish diet kind of reminds of of that "Nail Soup" fable, where the hungry charlatan goes door to door with a nail, telling gullible residents that their special nail will make the most wonderful soup. All that is needed is one extra ingredient... and just one more ingredient... and just one final ingredient. In the end, it isn't the nail that makes for a decent soup, but all of the ingredients provided by the resident. Substitute the nail with rice in this scenario, the real benefit to blood-glucose levels coming from calorie restriction and elimination of refined sugar.

...and what happens after those 15 days? Going back to previous dietary habits will undo any gains.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:39 pm

https://lysulin.com/

What is it?

Lysulin is a formulation developed by a Ph.D. It is nothing groundbreaking. Just a combination of the amino acid Lysine, vitamin C and the essential element Zinc.

How does it work?

Lysulin takes a three-pronged approach to attacking the high blood glucose problem.

Lysine binds with glucose molecules and is passed out through the urine. Result: lesser numbers of damaging glucose molecules to go around wreaking havoc on the body.

Vitamin C is similar in structure to the glucose molecule and will substitute glucose in the adverse metabolic reactions that are responsible for the ravaging effects of Diabetes. Vitamin C also drops the blood glucose level. Result: Diabetic damage is minimized.

Zinc is necessary in the storage of the insulin molecule. Diabetics are usually deficient in Zinc. Result: more Zinc is available for the body's needs and especially for storing insulin in sufficient quantities.

Are there any side effects?

Depends. If Zinc levels are normal in the body, supplementing with additional Zinc may disturb the levels of copper in the body as both are related. High levels of supplemented Vitamin C may increase the impact of any insult/injury to the liver. And finally, the amino acid Lysine may cause renal tubular necrosis. Translation: may lead to kidney failure.

Should I use it?

If you think the benefits outweigh the potential side effects, Lysulin may help to bring blood glucose levels within the normal range. Always discuss with your doctor before starting any supplement.

Conflict of interest: None

I stand by the accuracy of these statements as they reflect my understanding of this product and its constituents based on non-exhaustive Google searches and study of medical research papers. Those interested in verifying the veracity of these statements are encouraged to conduct their own Google searches and reach their own conclusions. Thank you.

EDIT: wrongly mentioned that Zinc is involved in formation of Insulin. Zinc is actually used for storing Insulin in the pancreatic beta cells.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:43 pm

Dude, do yourself a favor and stop looking for magic bullets. You're certainly not alone; this is why fad diets and gimmicky supplements exist, but they don't work. At best they do nothing, and at worse they can be harmful.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:07 pm

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https://lysulin.com/

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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:12 pm

the best magic bullet for dropping your blood sugar is not eating high gi foods

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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:43 pm

Igor_Kavinski wrote:
https://lysulin.com/

What is it?

Lysulin is a formulation developed by a Ph.D. It is nothing groundbreaking. Just a combination of the amino acid Lysine, vitamin C and the essential element Zinc.

How does it work?

Lysulin takes a three-pronged approach to attacking the high blood glucose problem.

Lysine binds with glucose molecules and is passed out through the urine. Result: lesser numbers of damaging glucose molecules to go around wreaking havoc on the body.

Vitamin C is similar in structure to the glucose molecule and will substitute glucose in the adverse metabolic reactions that are responsible for the ravaging effects of Diabetes. Vitamin C also drops the blood glucose level. Result: Diabetic damage is minimized.

Zinc is necessary in the storage of the insulin molecule. Diabetics are usually deficient in Zinc. Result: more Zinc is available for the body's needs and especially for storing insulin in sufficient quantities.

Are there any side effects?

Depends. If Zinc levels are normal in the body, supplementing with additional Zinc may disturb the levels of copper in the body as both are related. High levels of supplemented Vitamin C may increase the impact of any insult/injury to the liver. And finally, the amino acid Lysine may cause renal tubular necrosis. Translation: may lead to kidney failure.

Should I use it?

If you think the benefits outweigh the potential side effects, Lysulin may help to bring blood glucose levels within the normal range. Always discuss with your doctor before starting any supplement.

Conflict of interest: None

I stand by the accuracy of these statements as they reflect my understanding of this product and its constituents based on non-exhaustive Google searches and study of medical research papers. Those interested in verifying the veracity of these statements are encouraged to conduct their own Google searches and reach their own conclusions. Thank you.

EDIT: wrongly mentioned that Zinc is involved in formation of Insulin. Zinc is actually used for storing Insulin in the pancreatic beta cells.

Yes, some independent studies have shown that lysine can help moderate glucose levels.

There are better ways to get it than those pills though. Many common foods contain plenty of lysine. Why not eat a balanced diet (instead of, say, relying on fad diets that are deficient in many essential nutrients, then attempting to make up for it by taking supplements)?

Or if you really want to be absolutely sure you're getting enough, generic supplements can be obtained for way less money -- they're just lysine plus zinc and vitamin C.

Out of curiosity, I also clicked through to their page of links to "studies" of their product. The first three were authored or co-authored by an employee (founder? sole proprietor?) of the company. I did not bother going any further.

Edit: Here is an interesting link, based in part on an interview with Dr. Burd, the inventor of Lysulin. Burd seems legit (he's been in the diabetes management field for a while in the medical device field), and seems to sincerely believe in his product. Basically admits that he added the zinc and vitamin C to create his "proprietary" formula because there wasn't any money to be made in selling just another "me too" OTC lysine supplement. The one study done (so far) of Lysulin yielded generally positive results, but wasn't large enough to form any firm clinical conclusions. My comments above stand.

At least it seems to fall into the "might actually help, unlikely to cause harm" category, unless you count over-paying for nutritional supplements you probably don't need in the "harm" category.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:47 am

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It seems the rice diet did wonders for my friend. He is officially not a diabetic anymore. All he had to do was 15 days of strict rice diet, then next 10 weeks, he ate whatever he wanted, except for deep fried stuff or anything with too much oil. He ate fruits and vegetables, chicken and gave up wheat completely, instead eating bread made from barley. He also never needed to take a single pharma pill for controlling his glucose levels. But if your glucose levels get dangerously high in the first few days of the rice diet, you can use Berberine 500mg which has the benefit of not crashing your glucose levels. Just remember that if you want to try this, get a good multi-vitamin like the NOW Daily Vits so you don't miss out on any essential nutrients. Rest is up to God. May the fat NOT be with you!
 
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:36 pm

You have no idea whatsoever about how to do a proper double-blind study, do you.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:41 pm

Local man does this one weird trick, DESTROYS Type 2 Diabetes in 15 days (doctors hate him!)
 
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:46 pm

Good grief. It's bad enough we have that idiot in the EV thread trying to convert us all to their religion. We don't need another one!
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:00 pm

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Local man does this one weird trick, DESTROYS Type 2 Diabetes in 15 days (doctors hate him!)


Unfortunately, this about where the front page is headed... :cry:
 
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:08 pm

I am not forcing anyone. Nor do I benefit in any way from relating my friend's improved condition. If, however, there is one among you truly desperate or determined to fight diabetes and attack its core, you know what to do. We have become accustomed to terrible news and crappy healthcare so much that when we hear about someone's miraculous recovery from a debilitating condition, all we can do is shake our collective heads in disbelief. "Surely, it can't be true. This guy IS lying." I would have been one such bloke, except this happened to my friend and he is my one and only best friend and I can't for the life of me imagine why he would concoct something like a doctored medical report. In my worst nightmares, I can't imagine any malice from him. He is just THAT good a person and I am overjoyed that he is finally symptom free.
 
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:28 pm

It's not about what I believe, dude. Ironically with what we're learning about the microbiome we do seem to be heading in a direction where there's precedent for saying that a diet which "works" for one person may not work for another. However, there are limits.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:28 pm

you know what to do


Yeah. See a doctor and ignore the credulous fool on some random Internet forum.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:41 pm

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you know what to do


Yeah. See a doctor and ignore the credulous fool on some random Internet forum.


I’m going to jump in here for (hopefully) a half second. Also, I’m not defending or agreeing with a diabetes diet that begins with eating a bunch of rice.

However, from personal experience with several doctors and type 2 diabetes myself I will tell you that all of the doctors I have talked to attempt to treat T2D very wrong. The standard treatment of raising insulin helps in the (very) short term and kills you in the long term. It makes the situation worse.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:28 pm

Being diagnosed with a condition doesn't automatically make you an expert on said condition. You may have initially had some bad experiences, but I still doubt anyone here has the education or qualifications to say "all the doctors are wrong" about anything, regardless if they or their "friend" has it.

Hopefully no one here is dumb enough to discard real medical advice and their doctor's direction, and follow some whizz-bang crap about rice from an internet forum.
 
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:53 pm

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Being diagnosed with a condition doesn't automatically make you an expert on said condition. You may have initially had some bad experiences, but I still doubt anyone here has the education or qualifications to say "all the doctors are wrong" about anything, regardless if they or their "friend" has it.

Hopefully no one here is dumb enough to discard real medical advice and their doctor's direction, and follow some whizz-bang crap about rice from an internet forum.



I never meant to imply that I am an expert but not being an expert doesn’t make me wrong either.

Most doctors try and “treat” T2D with more insulin. This end up killing you. Insulin, or more accurately hyperinsulinemia, IS the problem with T2D, not the cure.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:54 pm

You would hope, but I'm not so sure. I was thinking the other day about how I was asked once many years ago now if I plagiarized an analogy in something I wrote about CPU caches. Obviously it was a technical forum(long since dead and gone), but the audience wasn't what you'd call a group of academics. It was just some random dude on a forum who wanted to know if all of that was for real. I can't imagine that happening today.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:02 pm

I have read that the Kempner Rice Diet can save failing Kidneys. Can someone please tell me the exact Rice Diet plan in layman's terms I need to use to save failing Kidneys?
What are the proper measurements per day, per meal? Someone said 3/4 cup of rice and 1 cup of fruits 3 times a day but I want to make sure.
My dad's kidneys are at 17% I need to know the exact diet plan to save his kidneys. He is in his 80s and about 6'4" 280lbs.
Than you for any help anyone can give.
 
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Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:49 pm

RiceDieter wrote:
I have read that the Kempner Rice Diet can save failing Kidneys. Can someone please tell me the exact Rice Diet plan in layman's terms I need to use to save failing Kidneys?
What are the proper measurements per day, per meal? Someone said 3/4 cup of rice and 1 cup of fruits 3 times a day but I want to make sure.
My dad's kidneys are at 17% I need to know the exact diet plan to save his kidneys. He is in his 80s and about 6'4" 280lbs.
Than you for any help anyone can give.

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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:00 am

RiceDieter wrote:
I have read that the Kempner Rice Diet can save failing Kidneys. Can someone please tell me the exact Rice Diet plan in layman's terms I need to use to save failing Kidneys?
What are the proper measurements per day, per meal? Someone said 3/4 cup of rice and 1 cup of fruits 3 times a day but I want to make sure.
My dad's kidneys are at 17% I need to know the exact diet plan to save his kidneys. He is in his 80s and about 6'4" 280lbs.
Than you for any help anyone can give.


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He may need dialysis to lessen the burden on his kidneys while they recover.
 
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:13 am

superjawes wrote:
RiceDieter wrote:
I have read that the Kempner Rice Diet can save failing Kidneys. Can someone please tell me the exact Rice Diet plan in layman's terms I need to use to save failing Kidneys?
What are the proper measurements per day, per meal? Someone said 3/4 cup of rice and 1 cup of fruits 3 times a day but I want to make sure.
My dad's kidneys are at 17% I need to know the exact diet plan to save his kidneys. He is in his 80s and about 6'4" 280lbs.
Than you for any help anyone can give.

Talk to a real doctor.

^ This. You REALLY don't want to be making life-or-death health care decisions based on advice you get from random strangers on the internet.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:49 pm

RiceDieter wrote:
I have read that the Kempner Rice Diet can save failing Kidneys. Can someone please tell me the exact Rice Diet plan in layman's terms I need to use to save failing Kidneys?
What are the proper measurements per day, per meal? Someone said 3/4 cup of rice and 1 cup of fruits 3 times a day but I want to make sure.
My dad's kidneys are at 17% I need to know the exact diet plan to save his kidneys. He is in his 80s and about 6'4" 280lbs.
Than you for any help anyone can give.


Talk to a real doctor.

My father died of kidney failure exacerbated by his refusal to deal with his diabetes. Bluntly, if your dad's kidneys are that bad he needs to set his affairs in order. Dialysis is strictly a short-term deal because the treatments themselves are quite taxing.
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:09 am

There's a research study out there that discovered when the kidneys are failing, the bacteria in the intestines land a double-punch on them by increasing the production of uremic toxins which further burdens the kidneys and leads to their ultimate demise. I read elsewhere that lysine production is also increased by bacteria in the intestine during chronic kidney disease. Lysine in high amounts is damaging and causes kidney tubular necrosis. What does this all mean? Fix intestinal health and your kidneys have a chance to recover. It's not rocket science. Hundreds, if not thousands, of people have recovered from CKD levels 3 and 4 and leading much better lives. There's also a study out there that discovered grape seed extract ameliorates oxidative damage to the kidneys and lets them heal. In that study, almost half of the CKD patients got out of levels 3 and 4. Watch the movie "Lorenzo's Oil". And the story about the parents who treated their child's incurable condition by discovering that cyclodextrin could clear cholesterol out of the system completely, better than any available drug. As a techie, folks should think how much money they would waste if they took their PCs to a repair shop? Most times, depending on the sort of issue, they are not gonna be able to do anything coz they have other customers that they can get money from. You come back dishearted, try on your own and voila! Problem solved. Same things with these doctors. They are simply in the business of collecting money for their services. They don't really care who lives or dies. If you care about your life or the life of someone you love, do your own research. Cut through all the lies and deception and discover the truth about the healing powers of powerful nutrients extracted from plants. That's what healers did in the old days and people were saved. Now doctors tell you that most conditions have no cure and prolong your life for an exorbitant fee by prescribing synthetic drugs made by greedy pharmas. Who benefits? Doctors and a-holes employed by pharmas and the shareholders. Who suffers? YOU. And the life they give you that you seem to be so grateful to them for is filled with dealing with the side effects of those drugs and counting the days until your flame withers and dies.

P.S. I can't be bothered to find the research study links for a bunch of people who wouldn't read them anyway. If you are interested, Google is your friend. Thank you.
 
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:33 am

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My father died of kidney failure exacerbated by his refusal to deal with his diabetes.


Your father would be alive if FDA hadn't blocked Pyridoxamine's sale as a supplement on the request of an A-hole Pharma that had invested $100 million in researching it. Still want to support the medical industry so they can screw you over by endangering the life of someone near and dear to you?
 
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Re: Kempner Rice Diet

Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:45 am

But you can be bothered to post a wall of text for those same people who just don't seem to listen. That's a curious choice on how to spend your time, but please just let it go, and take this garbage somewhere else. There's no point in talking about it anyway if you're just going to make noise about boogeymen and won't even try to support yourself.

Aside from that, I'll echo what other people said about talking to a real doctor instead of following random advise from random people on the internet. That's an extremely bad idea.
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