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Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:42 pm
by liquid_mage
Hello All

I usually do not worry about privacy but sometimes things really make me wonder. About a year ago I sent an image of a whiskey bottle and freshly poured glass of said whiskey through facebook messenger to a friend with no text. Boom within an hour I had whiskey adds on facebook. This led me to realize that facebooks image recognition software picked up that my uploaded picture was whiskey and started up new ads for me. This didn't surprise me other than the image being scanned and picking up it was whiskey in the photo, i sent an image through facebook i get ads for similar products.

The other day I google search Michigan Adventure Park on my work PC through chrome. Also I emailed my wife via gmail about the park but nothing trough facebook. Within an hour facebook has ads for said amusement park. I do not have facebook logged in on that computer. How?

Thanks for listening i'm mostly venting but if you have an idea of how the 2nd situation happened let me know.

Best Regards

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:20 pm
by The Egg
Yeah....things are starting to quietly get really creepy all the sudden, and Google is leading the charge. I'm willing to bet it has something to do with the automatic cross-site login crap that Google is implementing in Chrome and everywhere else. The turnkey default is to have everything enabled, and even if you're like me and meticulously go through all the settings, any given update can silently reset your things to default, or change the way settings are implemented (thus placing them at default). "Oops! We didn't mean for THAT to happen!!".

Not only are they doing cross-site logins within Chrome, but everywhere else they possibly can. Case in point, about a week ago I realized I was logged into my account when using Google Maps on my iOS tablet. This is something I had absolutely never done. Turns out that whenever you login to YouTube now, it automatically goes across completely separate apps (on a non-Google OS, mind you) and logs into Maps and probably other things without any prompting whatsoever. I thought Apple was pumping the brakes on allowing that sort of crap.

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:53 pm
by JustAnEngineer
Microsoft's new Edgium browser is now available to the public. I'm using it to make this post.
https://techreport.com/news/3466862/mic ... ew-engine/
https://hothardware.com/news/microsofts ... january-15

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:24 pm
by just brew it!
I realize the OP is a few months old, but this is relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint

Bottom line is, if you've *ever* been logged in from a particular device, there are methods for Google, Facebook, etc. to make a reasonably good guess at when you use that device again, even if you don't log in.

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:34 pm
by cheesyking
Just a guess but it's possible that your wife visited the page while logged into facebook and since facebook know you're married they decided to start showing you adverts for something she was interested in.

What I find especially creepy about facebook is the way they can gather information about you or validate information they already know about you from your "friends". I'm sure google can do similar but they can't have such a direct tap into your life as facebook do (that's what I hope anyway).

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:43 pm
by Buub
Google took the "don't be evil" motto and ran as hard as possible in the other direction.

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:52 pm
by Wirko
just brew it! wrote:
I realize the OP is a few months old, but this is relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint

Bottom line is, if you've *ever* been logged in from a particular device, there are methods for Google, Facebook, etc. to make a reasonably good guess at when you use that device again, even if you don't log in.


It's not even necessary to have their account. Fingerprinting ... just works. Panopticlick has just revealed to me that even Firefox 70's anti-tracking logic does little or nothing to counter that. Maybe it could randomize part of the data that gets sent in HTTP requests. Or something.

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:57 pm
by Krogoth
Pfft, I prefer the Aquinas protocol.

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:12 pm
by cphite
Just the other day I was uploading some pics to Facebook - one was of a bottle of port and a cigar that was sitting on a table on my deck - and a buddy of mind pointed out that if you right-click on the image and select "inspect image" there in the code is a description piece saying that it "may contain drink"

So I looked at another photo - a painting of a bird that I'd done - and sure enough, in the code there is a description segment saying "may contain bird"

There is absolutely nothing in either photo in terms of metadata that I put there that would suggest what the content was; and the information isn't there in copies before they're placed on Facebook. Which means that Facebook is scanning the photos and figuring this out themselves.

Looking through some other photos, the information will vary - if there are multiple people it'll say something like "four or more people" and if anyone in the photo is also on Facebook it'll actually name them in many cases - this is without me tagging anyone.

I don't personally care that Facebook does this... I don't put anything on there that I wouldn't want out in the world. Just saying, what the OP is describing is pretty clear - they're scanning the photos we share and using them to derive marketing information. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing - if I'm gonna see ads on Facebook, I'd prefer they be for port and good cigars than some of the crap I'm getting instead...

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:31 pm
by just brew it!
Yeah, none of this is terribly surprising. But as someone who grew up in the pre-internet age, sometimes I take a step back, look at where we are today, and think to myself, "Holy crap, Skynet is coming... but not because of a military project run amok; it'll be because people can't resist easy-to-use tools to share pictures and video of their self/kids/dog/cat/car/dinner, and/or access to free porn!"

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:46 am
by Krogoth
just brew it! wrote:
Yeah, none of this is terribly surprising. But as someone who grew up in the pre-internet age, sometimes I take a step back, look at where we are today, and think to myself, "Holy crap, Skynet is coming... but not because of a military project run amok; it'll be because people can't resist easy-to-use tools to share pictures and video of their self/kids/dog/cat/car/dinner, and/or access to free porn!"


Well it would certainly explain why Skynet would suddenly decide to declare war on humanity when it became self-aware. ;)

Re: Privacy Concerns Facebook/Google

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:05 am
by JustAnEngineer
I’ve never tried Brave, but maybe it would address some of the OP’s privacy concerns.
https://hothardware.com/news/brave-browser