Vrock wrote:derFunkenstein wrote:I mean, according to some people in this thread we should be dead already.Glorious wrote:We've got the rest of our lives to point fingers at each other and argue it out.
Yeah, that's what, another two to three months?
MILLIONS COULD DIE IF WE AREN'T PERPETUALLY SIX FEET AWAY FROM EACH OTHER.
Captain Ned wrote:Let me add this here as well (already on Slack channel):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g28msjx2xt15q ... .xlsx?dl=0
Captain Ned wrote:Where are the "extra" deaths? They ain't in this graph.
Vrock wrote:tfp wrote:
There is no "and". This is his modus operandi. He's like the COVID-19 Shortbread guy.
JustAnEngineer wrote:First. I don't think the doc mentioned me, pal. Second, this most definitely is not about me. I have a good paying job that is essential. It will continue to be essential. I can still do pretty much everything I want to do. My concern isn't for me; it's for the nation as a whole, for those who aren't as fortunate as me. This isn't bubonic plague, or HIV, or any other kind of highly deadly illness and it's high time we stop acting like it is, for the good of our society and way of life. If you don't get this,, you clearly haven't been paying attention, or you're being dishonest. Stop it.Dr. Osterholm on how we go forward from here, living with CoViD-19:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/pod ... episode-5_
"We have to understand we're going to open up. We cannot exist in a closed-down mode for how many many months it might take before we get a vaccine. At best, no more than 5% of the nation's population has been infected. If we're going to achieve herd immunity, requiring 60-70% of us actually being infected and developing antibodies or acquiring that same level of protection through a vaccine before we're going to see it stop transmitting in our communities."
"I find that the discussions between opening and closing have almost taken on some kind of biblical meaning in that if you're not for closing, if you want to be open, that all you care about is your own personal rights, and you don't care about the potential risk you pose to others, what you pose if you do get infected and come into health care, what you'd mean for healthcare workers, etc. I think there are some of those people that are like (Vrock), but there are others that are just scared because they want to go back to work because they need a job, they need a job very badly. It's absolutely necessary to understand legitimate concerns about the need to get our economy back."
"I hear from public health colleagues who are irate that these protestors were in public settings without respiratory protection, without any kind of distancing, and they brought kids with them. Some of these medical doctors and nurses said 'these people should be made to sign a waiver that if they get infected as a result of this activity, they will not be cared for in a hospital by healthcare workers who are going to put their life on the line to try to take care of them.' I worry that we are dividing into two camps that are getting farther and farther apart. I wish that I knew how to approach this to try to de-escalate this, to minimize it. This is going to get a lot worse, and we need to hang together. If you think the risk is not a big risk, you will not be a red town or a blue town, you will be a COVID-colored town one day. It's going to find us, and that's when we're going to realize that we're all in this together."
As of Friday, the WHO said, "No study has evaluated whether the presence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 confers immunity to subsequent infection by this virus in humans."
What's more, data reported from the world's early COVID-19 hot spots, such as South Korea and China, have shown that a growing number of recovered patients appear to have suffered a relapse of the disease.
By mid-April, Korean health authorities said that just over 2% of the country's recovered patients were in isolation again after testing positive a second time. And in Wuhan, China, data from several quarantine facilities in the city, which house patients for observation after their discharge from hospitals, show that about 5% to 10% of patients pronounced "recovered" have tested positive again.
It remains unclear why this is occurring — whether it is a sign of a second infection, a reactivation of the remaining virus in the body or the result of an inaccurate antibody test.
Igor_Kavinski wrote:Restaurant air-conditioning and COVID-19 transmission: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article
just brew it! wrote:I don't know that I'd call a quarter to half million deaths "small". (Which is what you'd get if it is 10x as deadly as the flu.)
SecretMaster wrote:just brew it! wrote:I don't know that I'd call a quarter to half million deaths "small". (Which is what you'd get if it is 10x as deadly as the flu.)
Again it's worth repeating that the observed mortality rate is contingent on the healthcare system not being overwhelmed. Which is the main reason why shelter-in-place orders were put in place. It won't be 1% if the hospitals reach capacity, or the healthcare workforce gets stretched too thin due to COVID exposure when treating patients.
We’re all sitting on the same blue planet. We’re all connected. Is that what you mean?
Dereck: It’s this big cycle: The wet markets and the consumption of bat feet and pangolins in China have created quite a lot of this problem, this worldwide problem that’s causing shutdowns, that’s causing businesses to close in Africa, that’s sending people back into the bushmeat and feeding off the environment again.
Now’s the time for all of us to be leaning forward, figuring out that we’ve all got to be taking care of the people first. Then we’ve got to make sure there are jobs and that ecosystems have integrity and remain intact.
Igor_Kavinski wrote:tfp wrote:Igor_Kavinski wrote:The digits of the year 2020 got me thinking. Is this supposed to be some grand balancing plan of God?
If split 2020 in half it is 20 and 20 and then if you add them together it's 40, the number of days Jesus spent fasting in the desert and the number of days in Lent.
Or 40 could mean the number of months before the virus leaves us for good. If it's 40 years, then God help us all.
High blood sugar increases the number of sugar-coated ACE2 receptors in the lungs of diabetic mice. So not only are the number of receptors greater, but also there are more sugars attached to them. This makes it easier for the virus to infect cells. When there is more insulin, or through diet or exercise, there is less sugar, so there are fewer ACE2 receptors and less sugar on each one, and this may reduce the amount of virus getting into the cell.
Vrock wrote:Even then, in the absence of a vaccine or effective treatment I'd go for herd immunity to the greatest extent possible
Igor_Kavinski wrote:You must not be reading the reports of the damage this virus is capable of doing. Damage to lungs and heart muscles even in asymptomatic victims. Trying to achieve herd immunity might also cause lifelong damage to a significant portion of the population, shaving years off their life expectancy.
Glorious wrote:My question, in all this, is not to recriminate, but to explore what we should do from this point forward: Forget the past, why shouldn't a lot of place start opening things up now?
SecretMaster wrote:Vrock wrote:Would love to know how it causes blood clots, which is my point. This is the do-all virus apparently.
Seems like the exact mechanism is unknown, but it is indeed a real phenomenon.