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Re: Gun prOn!

Thu May 01, 2014 7:33 pm

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Easy. Scatter it on your lawn. It makes great fertilizer due to the nitrogen content.

Just what I need. The Green Menace occupies enough of my time as it is without trying to make it grow faster.

I should run some Darwin experiments on the morons living next door in the apartment house. They'll burn anything to keep a midnight weekend party going.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Thu May 01, 2014 8:35 pm

Well, smokeless powder is flammable, not explosive unless containes. You could always burn it off if you spread it out.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Thu May 01, 2014 8:45 pm

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Well, smokeless powder is flammable, not explosive. You could always burn it off.

When he gets back to VT I see a Weber kettle grill with a good charcoal fire being tormented by some nitrocellulose. The FFFF is probably best dealt with by filling the can with water assuming we don't kill ourselves just in turning the lid.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Fri May 02, 2014 3:00 pm

I like Titegroup for handguns, mostly because it's fast and a little goes a long way. I don't shoot handguns for accuracy, so I'm not too concerned if little variations create big velocity differences.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sat May 03, 2014 8:24 am

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How does one properly dispose of degraded smokeless powder (not sure if double or triple base) without recreating USS Iowa 1989? More to the point, QQF do I do with the 4F and Pyrodex down there?


DIY fireworks using Estes ( http://www.estesrockets.com/ ) model rocket booster engines which have only a burn charge with a flash hole meant to ignite the next stage. Some of the larger ones have fairly heavy lifting capabilities. When choosing your engines be sure to consider lifting force AND burn time. They sell a designer's special and smaller parts assortments with a variety of tubes, fin stock, and nose cones. Or you can build your own engine mounts for most any cardboard tube you find, although tubes with an id of your chosen engine diameter are ideal. You will also need a stable launch pad with guide rod and a controller to provide dc current to the engine igniter.

Start with a small payload and work your way up gradually. Crushed sparklers and various chemicals can add color. I particularly like 4F black powder as it has the best BOOM.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sat May 03, 2014 12:37 pm

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I like Titegroup for handguns, mostly because it's fast and a little goes a long way. I don't shoot handguns for accuracy, so I'm not too concerned if little variations create big velocity differences.
Yeah, it's a decent, cheap, and fairly versatile plinking powder. As long as you don't try to push heavier bullets at high velocities, it does fine. Since it doesn't come even close to filling the case you have to watch your powder throws, and the max load can be within a few tenths of the starting load on some calibers.

I'm embarrassed to admit it, but the one real mishap I've had while reloading involved what I believe was a double charge of HP-38 in a 38 Special case. I was shooting my Ruger LCR with 158gr lead reloads. Bang, bang, BOOM! The gun didn't explode (in fact, it wasn't even damaged except for a tiny bit of flame cut on the top strap) and I was unharmed, but boy did it scare me. The recoil from the big boom cause the bullets in the adjacent chambers to move forward out of the cartridge cases, effectively locking up the cylinder. Had that been Titegroup instead of HP-38, things could have gone much worse.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 04, 2014 12:00 pm

So thinking of the future, whats a decent light .22 pistol for when I bring kids or wife to range?

Ruger has the 22/45 Target, S&W 617 is nice, but I'm concerned its a bit heavy.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 04, 2014 1:03 pm

Walther has the P22, which is lightweight (about half a kilogram) and of good quality, and also has the added bonus of feeling like a Real Gun in your hand.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 04, 2014 1:39 pm

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Walther has the P22, which is lightweight (about half a kilogram) and of good quality, and also has the added bonus of feeling like a Real Gun in your hand.


Nice gun for sure, but I'd need to get the 5", and that little bolted on extension looks a bit silly! (Canada prohibits pistols with barrel length of less than 4.1")
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 04, 2014 1:52 pm

Traditionally for kids it is a bolt action rifle in 22LR, any DA revolver in 22lr is going to have stiff trigger pull and a SA revolver is going to require them to cock the hammer before firing. For younger kids that might not be a good thing. That being said I have a Rugger SP101 in 22lr that is fun to shoot for both me and the wife. The cases stay in the gun so clean up at the range is easier. The SP101 is a bit smaller than the 617, it holds 8 rounds vs the 617's 10.

But, If I had to do it again, I would choose one of the plastic semi auto plinkers, Walther makes a nice one.

{edit} the bit about the 4" barrel I did not know. The Rugger would work, but the Walther would not. S&W makes a model 42 I think, it looks to have at least a 9" barrel and has a good rep.

{edit again} it is the model 22A that I am thinking about.
 
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 04, 2014 3:49 pm

I may just pick up the SIG P226 Classic 22, looks like a great gun, and I can get the conversion kit for .357SIG or .40...

I will get the wife to try my CZ though, recoil is really not bad at all, just perhaps a bit heavy.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 04, 2014 3:58 pm

Between a semi-auto .22LR rifle and a bolt .223, which would be better to train a kid on once they've gotten some time behind a BB gun? My father's got both and several hundred rounds of cheap .223, and given how hard it is to get .22LR right now...
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 04, 2014 5:45 pm

Got the SR9c, with a holster on the way. Noticeably smaller than my 1911, particularly in weight and width.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 04, 2014 6:29 pm

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Got the SR9c, with a holster on the way. Noticeably smaller than my 1911, particularly in weight and width.

Nice gun, let us know how it shoots!
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Re: Gun prOn!

Mon May 05, 2014 10:09 am

I am new to shooting myself so take this advice with a grain of salt... the recoil on a 223/5.56 is tame enough, but the noise from a 223 round is several times louder than the 22LR. If the kid is under 13, I would suggest the 22LR. Ammunition can be found you just have to pay a high price for it, or camp out at Walmart.

Also, you can practice with a 22LR rifle at most pistol ranges, the 223 round is usually limited for outdoor rifle ranges only.
 
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Re: Gun prOn!

Mon May 05, 2014 11:33 am

We'd just be going out to my grandparents' field and would be shooting with earmuffs anyway, so I'm not too worried about noise.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Mon May 05, 2014 12:10 pm

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Between a semi-auto .22LR rifle and a bolt .223, which would be better to train a kid on once they've gotten some time behind a BB gun? My father's got both and several hundred rounds of cheap .223, and given how hard it is to get .22LR right now...
I would recommend the bolt-action .223. Mostly because the bolt action will encourage a bit more deliberate aiming than a semi-auto. Depending on how much he takes to shooting, he can use that .223 later in life for longer range shooting, hunting, competition, etc.

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Nice gun for sure, but I'd need to get the 5", and that little bolted on extension looks a bit silly! (Canada prohibits pistols with barrel length of less than 4.1")
That's too bad, really. I have a P22 and it's a fun little gun. In any case, I believe there are a couple 1911 style pistols in .22LR and I believe S&W makes a .22LR version of their M&P line.

I chose the P22 specifically because it operates nearly identically to my other pistols (with two notable exceptions). When I'm teaching new shooters, they can transition from the P22 to the S&W with just a couple of pointers (and from there to the Glocks with even less work).
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Re: Gun prOn!

Mon May 05, 2014 12:33 pm

My short list includes the P226 Classic 22, the M&P 22, and the P22 (its growing on me)
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Re: Gun prOn!

Mon May 05, 2014 10:57 pm

going to test it this weekend :) Hopefully put about 100 rounds downrange.

Empty, it's 1 lb 7 ounces on my scale vs 2 lbs 3 ounces for my 1911. Should make carry MUCH nicer. I plan to carry with the 10 round magazine; the 17 round just makes the handle too large (comes with an extender).
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Re: Gun prOn!

Wed May 07, 2014 10:36 pm

quick advice:

I've got a friend that is jonsing for a compact 1911. He's got 4 full sized and he'd be willing to take MY compact 1911 plus 250 cash plus holster and spare mags for his Remington R1. I'm strongly leaning towards it since I have a better carry gun now. I mean, I like my 1911 but damn....the remingtons' seem nice. Any experience?

EDIT: OR straight up for the 5" barrel RIA tactical model. I may do that.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Wed May 07, 2014 11:03 pm

Worst I've done is shoot 308's out of a Ruger M77 30-06. Basically I was younger and stupid enough to trust the lady at the sportsmen's warehouse who handed me 2 boxes. After shooting 3-4 out of the gun and exclaiming how god aweful inaccurate it was my friend asked to see what I was shooting and noticed it was the wrong caliber.

Nothing happened to me obviously and the gun was completely unharmed. Same diameter thankfully but it form fired the casings to the chamber (completely smoothed out the neck of the 308 case. Rock solid gun, and thank god for that or it may have ended differently also. So that my stupid moment story with guns.

I was curious if any other Gerbils have experience with the S&W M&P Shield. It comes in both 9mm and .40 and I've always liked the idea of having a .40 as I enjoyed shooting a friends. I've read tons of articles online of 9 vs 40 vs 45. My feeling is that the shot placement is most important and that the .40 is a mix of 9mm and 45, a compromise of the two.

Any feedback, I think km sold on the shield thus far. I love the XD series too and the XDS is nice but $419 bucks vs 579 is a big difference.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Wed May 07, 2014 11:23 pm

I finally got to shoot one and will be getting one soon for when even the SR9c is too big. .7 inches shorter (length), about the same height, and .3 inches thinner and several ounces lighter. Noticeable when comparing it the SR9c. It feels positively lilliputian next to my compact 1911.

I liked it pretty well, better trigger than the LC9 by far (I thought anyway). I'm sticking with 9mm because I don't need another damn caliber to buy. I'm actually selling off my old .357 and 38 ammo and just forgoing a revolver for the foreseeable future. I mean, I'll have one again one day but it'll be at least a few years.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Thu May 08, 2014 8:39 pm

No long-term experience with the M&P Shield. I think I shot one rental once and it seemed nice. I have friends who love 'em, so if it works for you I would say go for it. I'm seriously considering one myself and trading the SW99 for it.

As for 9mm vs .45 ACP: (IMHO) Hit location is more important than caliber. Caliber is more important than capacity. Putting rounds on target in vital areas is more important than bigger holes in target. Bigger holes in target is more important than the number of holes in target. So while the increased capacity of a 9mm is great, it's not as important as the increased ouchy factor of a larger caliber. And while a larger caliber is great, it's not nearly as important as accurately putting holes in vital organs. 9mm has stopped many a bad guy.

Above all else: Buy what you are comfortable practicing with.

Welch - I had a 1st generation XD (and the predecessor, the HS2000). They're great pistols and they've only gotten better in the years. Note: I have no experience with the "fixed" trigger, which I understand isn't as nice.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Thu May 08, 2014 8:51 pm

New Remington R1s can be had for under $600 if you're patient, Paul.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Fri May 09, 2014 11:57 am

Score :) Got 425 for my compact + spare magazine (essentially what I paid for it and the magazine) and got a new tactical RIA with the money. Picking it up tonight or Saturday. Loved the compact--and it worked well--but if I'm using the SR9c for carry (and it is a LOT lighter loaded, holy cow), then I figure I might as well go for a full size 1911. The tactical version I got essentially just has the upgraded sights which ought to be nice for shooting
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Re: Gun prOn!

Fri May 09, 2014 12:16 pm

I stopped by the range omw home today, held a few .22 pistols.. Ruger MK3 Target, and Bullnose.. and a SIG 226 Classic 22.. if my daughter decides she wants to shoot with me, I think only the SIG will be light enough for her to handle safely.

I'll have her pick some up when its time.

Once school is done I have a nice RCMP Restricted Weapon Course manual for her to start reading :)
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Re: Gun prOn!

Fri May 09, 2014 10:02 pm

so since I'm set on handguns...I want, and have wanted, some sort of semi-automatic rifle. I'm torn between an AK variant and an AR. Some decent AK types are affordable enough but so are some ARs. What say those that have used both? I most want a range toy, that's reasonably accurate (not looking for MOA accuracy) and fun to shoot?
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Re: Gun prOn!

Fri May 09, 2014 10:32 pm

SKS. :P
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sat May 10, 2014 5:18 am

If you're just plinking, either is fine. I don't think you can lose either way.
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Re: Gun prOn!

Sun May 11, 2014 10:36 pm

Thanks Paul and Dark for the input, sounds like the Shield is a good buy.

@Paul, I'm probably one of the few guys who isn't gaga over the AR-15's. While I love the platform in theory, aesthetics and firing cost, .223 has gone up but not bad compared to some other calibers. All of the AR-15s I've shot felt like they were loosely put together. Anytime I tell people that they reassure me that their AR feels rock solid and they don't. If it was just 1 or 2 or some cheap knock off I'd blown it off but I've shot 5-6 of them some of which were very pricey, 1 being a stock pre-ban. I'm not sure what it is but I just don't like them. For the longest time I badly wanted one for the coolness factor and range fun. I found myself liking my friend FN FAL .308 much better in overall feel. Not shot an AK or SKS but that's another one I was interested in for the coolness and range plinking.

Just make sure you shoot an AR before buying it, and one close to what you plan on buying since their are thousands of variations. Sooo many aftermarket parts some of which can cause issues with things like feed or ejection. Some are plain out useless and make people feel more cool.
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