paulWTAMU wrote:50 yards or so if we're taking friends to the range. We let them shoot the Ruger Charger and it gives them a good feeling of accomplishment.What distance do you shoot key limes at? I'm doing good to hit tangerines and the like at 20 with a 1911
paulWTAMU wrote:It's not so tough as you'd think. Shooting from a bench, no time limit, big honking rifles. At 100 yards, the key lime is about 1.5 MOA. Of course, at 200 it's going to get interesting. Maybe we'll work up to that.Holy crap. Once I finish my zeros I'll give that a go. I have a hunch it's going to be a pain in the butt and a learning experience but that's how you get better
Masha wrote:Bleh. Except my BB gun nothing else. I don't even think civilians are allowed to have guns here
paulWTAMU wrote:It's the rifle that's pushing me into reloading though. Prvi isn't that expensive but it's about the only load Ic an find reliably (139 FMJs or softpoint)
paulWTAMU wrote:You know any good inexpensive places for reloading supplies? I know Monmouth, Midway and Brownells but Midway and Brownells ain't cheap
paulWTAMU wrote:Refresh my memory: Are you looking for plinking/hunting/trigger time ammo? Or long range competition stuff? Because the list of things for the latter is long.I know I need a powder scale and dies; but I found a ton of different types of rifle dies. And extra turrets for the press too...I figure as cheap as they are I can just leave one set up per caliber.
paulWTAMU wrote:The dies will come with a sizer die that will resize the case and remove the primer if there is one.Something to resize the cases with, or does the press do that? And a cleaner of some sort.
paulWTAMU wrote:At some point you'll no doubt want to load other calibers too. The turret press greatly speeds up loading pistol ammo and .223 vs. a single stage. Three (or four) pulls of the lever, and you have a loaded cartridge.I'm just not sure where the point is that it's worth going with a turret vs a single stage as far as volume. It isn't like I shoot tons and tons of 6.5, but I also kind of want to reload for .41 mag and 257 roberts
paulWTAMU wrote:I use their bullets for reloading plinking .223. I'm afraid that's all I've used them for.Hunting/regular range ammo.
Anyone got experience with Everglades Ammo? I haven't seen a whole lot of reviews; what I have seen is generally positive.
paulWTAMU wrote:You're correct. The resizing die will shape the case back into shape, compressing it a bit from where it expanded when you fired it. However, as the case expands & then gets contracted, it gets longer. You're working the brass and technically thinning it out. Eventually, you need to trim off the excess length. You can probably shoot & reload a couple times before it would become an issue. So this is a purchase you delay a bit.EDIT: I guess I thought the dies would handle resizing the brass, making me not need a trimmer. Bummed to see I was wrong, particularly as trimmers seem to cost 70 bucks!
paulWTAMU wrote:Think of it this way: When you shoot your rifle, the brass case expands to fill the chamber, then slightly contracts. Brass is elastic, to a degree. What you have afterwards is a case that's been fire-formed for your chamber. If you resize only the neck to get the tension back you need to hold the bullet (vs. full length resizing the entire case), the rest of the case will be (in theory) perfectly supported by the chamber. Neck sizing is only recommended in bolt guns due to the camming action and force exerted by manually chambering a round. Semi-autos and pumps don't necessarily chamber rounds with the same force.I'm confused about neck sizing I guess; I thought everything would be standard sized? Why would I only be able to shoot my ammo in my rifle?
Darkmage wrote:In my experience is also seems to depend on the chamber of the rifle. Those with longer headspace will stretch faster/more. My .30 carbine, for example, required trimming pretty much every loading. My AR_15s, I can usually get away with 2 or 3 loads before I have to trim.You're correct. The resizing die will shape the case back into shape, compressing it a bit from where it expanded when you fired it. However, as the case expands & then gets contracted, it gets longer. You're working the brass and technically thinning it out. Eventually, you need to trim off the excess length. You can probably shoot & reload a couple times before it would become an issue. So this is a purchase you delay a bit.
Vrock wrote:Semi-autos and pumps don't necessarily chamber rounds with the same force.
paulWTAMU wrote:If the minimum price is $70, you may wish to consider a Little Crow Gunworks World's Finest Trimmer. They're not suitable for competition, but for making hunting ammunition or plinking ammunition, they are fantastic. I have one for .223 and it speeds up the process considerably. There are no pilots for these trimmers, they index off the shoulder of the case. The downside is that they require full length resizing (or ordering custom index inserts from their service). Up to you, but this speeds up the trimming process considerably. Come to think of it, most of my expenses in reloading has been in finding ways to speed up case preparation.EDIT: I guess I thought the dies would handle resizing the brass, making me not need a trimmer. Bummed to see I was wrong, particularly as trimmers seem to cost 70 bucks!