tanker27 wrote:My guess is that dragontamer5788 has not even read a single Marvel comic arc or he wouldn't be concerned about the multiverse. My supporting evidence is he keeps citing $#77y DragonballZ.
redocbew wrote:I could mention Independence Day also, but I'm sure we all know a few examples like that.
Glorious wrote:Also, haven't seen the lastest few movies I guess, but I remember wondering just how Ant-man was going to get out of his predicament
Someone told me it was a rat.
Like, at some point, I'd prefer the plot hole?
tanker27 wrote:How about citing Marvel pre-2000.
only millennials watch Dragnballs
We get it you hate the movie. Please move on.
dragontamer5788 wrote:It was incredibly arbitrary
redocbew wrote:I'm guessing you really hated Lost, or any other story that has some inherent ambiguity to it.
Glorious wrote:dragontamer5788 wrote:It was incredibly arbitrary
So what's worse? Arbitrarily plugging plot holes, or just leaving them there?
I'm not sure, but once we end up arguing about the paradoxical impossibilities created by time travel, uh ok? That sort of happens, no?
Do you want to waste screen-time elaborating on the technically-motivated plug?
dragontamer5788 wrote:Good time-travel stories don't have major plotholes. I've listed plenty of them throughout this thread, and I can list more of them if you need me to. But apparently, people around here don't like it when I point out better stories that have come around in the past 20 years.
Glorious wrote:It's an ensemble film. Every second counts. Do you *really* want them to fully explain or develop their version of the inherently amorphous idea of "time travel" when what that *actually* means is that we get less superheroes?
dragontamer5788 wrote:There was like a 10 minute argument with
dragontamer5788 wrote:They did explain it. That's the problem.
dragontamer5788 wrote:They wasted a lot of time explaining and expositioning, and none of that time felt like it payed off.
superjawes wrote:To quote Peter Parker from Into the Spider-Verse, "I am so tired."
Whenever you write a long, interconnected story with lots of fantasy, Step 1 is creating the story. Step 2 is writing the explanation to reconcile inconsistencies or changes in continuity and/or rules. Sometimes that means new reconciliation stories.
Step 2 is optional.
Glorious wrote:Because, without "wibbily-wobbly timey-wimey", how do you fix what happened in the *LAST* Avengers movie?
Thanos won. Fin.
derFunkenstein wrote:Also, the guy who hasn't actually SEEN THE MOVIE was the first to post a spoiler in a non-spoiler'd post.
dragontamer5788 wrote:I dunno, get with the times old man? If you aren't keeping up with stories that have happened in the last 20 years, I'm pretty sure you lose your nerd credits.
dragontamer5788 wrote:Well, to calm things down a bit, here's a few tidbits.
To reiterate: you didn't like the movie, we get it, now move along.
Usacomp2k3 wrote:Went and saw it with my wife this afternoon. Lots of crying, some laughing, lots of shock. A couple “holy sh*t” moments. What a roller coaster. I definitely want to see it again
SecretMaster wrote:To me it seemed super obvious they were going to kill of Tony Stark. They really played the emotional aspect of him being a comfortable, family man real hard. I thought his "sacrifice" (not sure if that's the right word or not) was well done, and probably carries significant weight to actual fans of the MCU.
dragontamer5788 wrote:Here's another inconsistency, but unfortunately I didn't figure it out on my own. Its just a more "popular" inconsistency that people are beginning to talk about on various websites.
Yes, again with the time travel. So in the final scenes of the movie, Capt. America goes back in time to put the "infinity stones back into place". He then is supposed to time travel into the present and "complete the loop" so to speak. Unfortunately, that's not what Capt. America does. So what exactly what did Capt. America experience from the 1950s through 2019 ??
1. Capt. America returns to 2014, 2012, and 2011 to return the Power Stone (Purple), Soul Stone (Yellow); Thor's Hammer, the Reality Gem (Red); Time Stone (Green), Mind Gem (Yellow).
2. Capt. America returns to 1950 to return the Tesseract (Blue Stone).
3. Capt. America gets married in the past (presumably Peggy Carter, but we don't really know for sure)
4. Capt. America experiences life between 1950 through 2014 in secret.
5. Inconsistency point #1: 2014 Thanos time-warps to the future and dies.
6. Inconsistency point #2: 2018 Thanos collects all infinity stones. But he should be dead because of #5.
7. Inconsistency point #3: 2019 Captain America finally returns to 2019 as an old man. This doesn't make sense as per the "multiple dimensions" theory that was proposed by the Sorcerer Supreme / Iron Man / literally what everyone else said in the movie.
There's pretty much no way to consistently describe Capt. America's experience. With 2014 Thanos dead, the events of 2018 will simply not happen. And the alternate-realities theory is just destroyed by the fact that Capt. America is sitting on the bench over there, its clearly the same reality.
dragontamer5788 wrote:Who says he came out of the time machine that day? Or out of a time machine at all? If he spent 50-60 years in an alternate dimension/timeline/reality, then it is perfectly possible that he created his own version of the Avengers/S.H.I.E.L.D. there, and he either came back early (when Peggy died), or his new team sent him there using their own machine.Capt. America "teleports" to the bench as he comes out of the time machine. This is inconsistent with the representation of the film so far, but its a "lesser" inconsistency. So I'm more than willing to accept it.
dragontamer5788 wrote:"Making up stories" to fit an extended continuity is how the "official" explanations are created, tooSo it feels like people are making up a story to fit the film... which is fine. Its how comic book nerds create explanations in their heads. And I enjoy this part of the comic book fanbase.
superjawes wrote:Who says he came out of the time machine that day? Or out of a time machine at all? If he spent 50-60 years in an alternate dimension/timeline/reality, then it is perfectly possible that he created his own version of the Avengers/S.H.I.E.L.D. there, and he either came back early (when Peggy died), or his new team sent him there using their own machine.
"Making up stories" to fit an extended continuity is how the "official" explanations are created, too
Captain Ned wrote:Who says we're even looking at events on Earth-616?