Personal computing discussed
maxxcool wrote:As always the details are missing such as the fact that they will auto adjust the detail and texture settings on the fly to make sure that that frame rate is sort of attainable in games with low texture resolution or generic textures that are easily copied from object to object...
NoOne ButMe wrote:PS4 is capable of outputting 4K. All it would take is an output which supported 4K.
As for being able to do 4K in rendering, the PS4 could get over 50% performance with increasing power draw. An updated PS4 (assume all AMD for logic) with 8C8T Zen and a larger higher clocked GPU with architecture update hitting 3+ performance increase and allowing for 4K30fps is possible.
I.S.T. wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if it's just putting in an upscaler/4K Blu-Ray drive.
ClickClick5 wrote:Remember now, even the PS2 could do 1080. I only came across one game that would run in 1080, but it was Atari: Anthology...not hard to draw a pink line. So the PS4 could to 4K. But not in the sense we are thinking (aka, Assassins Creed in 4K).
whm1974 wrote:ClickClick5 wrote:Remember now, even the PS2 could do 1080. I only came across one game that would run in 1080, but it was Atari: Anthology...not hard to draw a pink line. So the PS4 could to 4K. But not in the sense we are thinking (aka, Assassins Creed in 4K).
Unless there is a major breakthrough, Sony will be lucky to have real 4K by the time the PS6 come out.
Vhalidictes wrote:whm1974 wrote:ClickClick5 wrote:Remember now, even the PS2 could do 1080. I only came across one game that would run in 1080, but it was Atari: Anthology...not hard to draw a pink line. So the PS4 could to 4K. But not in the sense we are thinking (aka, Assassins Creed in 4K).
Unless there is a major breakthrough, Sony will be lucky to have real 4K by the time the PS6 come out.
That's probably true, but it's possible that the PS4 refresh will be Polaris-based and could do 2k upscaled to 4k for a decently detailed game.
I imagine that texture storage / game size is a bigger problem for consoles than the graphical grunt needed...
That last bit is interesting as next-gen obviously suggests a new architecture and thus that in fact could be Polaris. A Neo SoC would be far cheaper and easier to make the custom SoC with a 28nm fab though. But granted the 36 next-gen GCN compute units (x 64 stream processors per cluster) sound very familiar and close to Polaris10 "Ellesmere" chip with a stream processor count of 2304, double over the 1152 from the current PlayStation 4.
whm1974 wrote:Well According to a French company, the PS4K is going to be released in late Sept as the PlayStation 4 Neo:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/playst ... ember.html
Of note:That last bit is interesting as next-gen obviously suggests a new architecture and thus that in fact could be Polaris. A Neo SoC would be far cheaper and easier to make the custom SoC with a 28nm fab though. But granted the 36 next-gen GCN compute units (x 64 stream processors per cluster) sound very familiar and close to Polaris10 "Ellesmere" chip with a stream processor count of 2304, double over the 1152 from the current PlayStation 4.
Even if true I still doubt that it will play games at 4k...
LostCat wrote:Just wondering how much Scorpio will cost. I doubt I'll be able to use it before I get a 4k screen tho (1440p is apparently not loved outside of PCs, even though it should be.)
whm1974 wrote:Well Microsoft did say it is going to be a high end product. If it is capable of 4K(even barely) we can reasonably expect that it will be more expensive then the Xbox One was at launch.
LostCat wrote:whm1974 wrote:Well Microsoft did say it is going to be a high end product. If it is capable of 4K(even barely) we can reasonably expect that it will be more expensive then the Xbox One was at launch.
They also said it was going to be priced as a console, and the original X1 included Kinect. I'm expecting 450 or below. It's impossible to say right now.
whm1974 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the Scorpio is priced at $600 to $700 at launch plus the cost of a 4K TV if the buyer doesn't already have one yet.
LostCat wrote:whm1974 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the Scorpio is priced at $600 to $700 at launch plus the cost of a 4K TV if the buyer doesn't already have one yet.
That'd be pricing it as a PC, not as a console.
jihadjoe wrote:If the performance is there a high price is cool. The PS3 launched at $600, but many people considered it good value because both the CPU and GPU were comparable to top-end PCs of it's time, hence all of the supercomputing projects, linux port and trade embargo. The GPU IIRC was basically an Nvidia 7800GTX.
whm1974 wrote:Hardware that can do games at real 4K isn't cheap, especially at 60+ frames per second. And I doubt it will be that much cheaper by the end of the year. Even with a $600 to $700 price tag Microsoft will be losing quite a bit of money per Scorpio sold.