Personal computing discussed

Moderator: Hoser

 
just brew it!
Gold subscriber
Administrator
Posts: 51817
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:51 pm
Location: Somewhere, having a beer

Re: The meaning of "poorly optimized"

Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:33 am

We call it "Moore's Law" because "Moore's Rule Of Thumb" doesn't have the same ring to it!
Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
 
synthtel2
Gold subscriber
Gerbil Elite
Topic Author
Posts: 827
Joined: Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:30 am

Re: The meaning of "poorly optimized"

Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:01 pm

What JBI said. I was using it to refer to CPU performance rather than transistor density, though, which is a bit past shorthand and into just plain incorrect.

When talking about transistor density, it's only now in the process of dying. It's slowing down a bit at present, and physics won't let us go more than another 3 or 4 nodes with current methods (for real this time). GPU performance tracks that one fairly closely (but not perfectly, because we don't get the kind of switching speed/energy gains we used to from a shrink). You could argue that it still works for CPUs too, it's just that it only does for workloads that can benefit from a 28-core Xeon.

For purposes of Creation, though? The gains from 2011 -> 2016 have been meh, and the gains from 2016 -> 2021 will probably be vanishingly small.
 
strangerguy
Gerbil Team Leader
Posts: 257
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 8:46 am

Re: The meaning of "poorly optimized"

Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:39 am

I laugh whenever I see people saying Crysis was an unoptimized POS, because a 2007 game with slightly worse graphics running fine on first-gen unified shader GPUs is obviously less optimized like Dishonored 2 running like ass on Pascal-level GPUs.
8700K 4.3GHz @ 1.05V | Cryorig H7 | MSI Z370M AC | 32GB Corsair LPX DDR4-3200 | GTX 1070 @ 0.8V | 500GB Evo 850 | 1TB M550 | 3TB Toshiba | Seasonic G650 | Acer XB271HU
 
f0d
Gerbil XP
Posts: 407
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:07 pm
Location: austrALIEN

Re: The meaning of "poorly optimized"

Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:32 am

strangerguy wrote:
I laugh whenever I see people saying Crysis was an unoptimized POS, because a 2007 game with slightly worse graphics running fine on first-gen unified shader GPUs is obviously less optimized like Dishonored 2 running like ass on Pascal-level GPUs.

agreed
crysis 1 can now be played on modern intel integrated graphics fairly well with moderate settings, heck i was able to play it on low settings on a crappy atom powered tablet with its integrated graphics (not the smoothest but this is a 1.44ghz atom tablet with 2gb ram total for both cpu and gpu work)

sure with everything turned to 11 hardware struggled back when it was released but with how good crysis looked and ran even with moderate>high settings i think it was well optimized
i cant think of a better looking game that could run on such low spec modern hardware
Image
 
Puolitwer
Gerbil
Posts: 15
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:56 am

Re: The meaning of "poorly optimized"

Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:29 pm

'poorly optimized' tend to be subjective in some areas as it represents various multimedia and technology creation.
 
DPete27
Silver subscriber
Grand Gerbil Poohbah
Posts: 3614
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:50 pm
Location: Wisconsin, USA

Re: The meaning of "poorly optimized"

Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:59 pm

I agree that it's subjective. Certainly someone wouldn't expect to get less FPS on a cartoon-art game than a photo-realistic one (assuming action and complexity are similar). In that regard, I think it does put things into perspective when we occasionally get games that seem to look "ahead of their time" AND run pretty well on most hardware. Comparing that to a game that may produce 2/3 the FPS on the same hardware because they were pushing ray-tracing (for example) to get a marginally more realistic feel can make people feel like the game devs failed to "optimize" their game.

Few/None of my top-rated games got that acclaim solely because they looked pretty. Sure, visuals can go a long way to influence your immersion in a game, but there is definitely a point of diminishing return.
Main: i5-3570K, ASRock Z77 Pro4-M, MSI RX480 8G, 500GB Crucial BX100, 2 TB Samsung EcoGreen F4, 16GB 1600MHz G.Skill @1.25V, EVGA 550-G2, Silverstone PS07B
HTPC: A8-5600K, MSI FM2-A75IA-E53, 4TB Seagate SSHD, 8GB 1866MHz G.Skill, Crosley D-25 Case Mod
 
Waco
Gold subscriber
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2546
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:14 pm
Location: Los Alamos, NM

Re: The meaning of "poorly optimized"

Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:41 pm

I almost always hear "poorly optimized" from people evangelizing a particular platform that happens to run a particular engine poorly. It's rarely an educated and informed opinion.
Desktop: Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon | 6700K @ 4.4 | 16 GB | GTX Titan Xm | XSPC RX360 | Heatkiller R3 | Samsung 4K 40" | 2048 + 240 + LSI 9207-8i (128x8) SSD
NAS: 1950X | Designare EX | 32 GB ECC | 7x8 TB RAIDZ2 | 8x2 TB RAID10 | FreeNAS | ZFS | LSI SAS

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest