LostCat wrote:This stuff is mighty confusing.
My TV likes 1440p, except when it doesn't?
Is that because of the HDR modes or no?
Wait, there's a premium certified HDMI cable standard for it?
And Displayport supports dynamic metadata and HDMI doesn't yet?
Why does my screens brightness seem so off if I leave it be? (This is easy enough to fix with my config, but I can't tell what's causing it...and judging by the rest of the internet it's not uncommon.)
Looks good when it works and I'm not planning on ever going back.
But yikes. It seems like the ecosystem still needs a lot of work.
whm1974 wrote:You really have to double check everything before you buy.
LostCat wrote:Shacknews on the scene...too bad I didn't see this earlier (Though it's not exactly amazing in breadth of content, still would've been nice.)
Best 4K TVs for PC gamers
Noinoi wrote:I think most TVs have fairly acceptable stock audio, so there's even less space used.
LostCat wrote:Noinoi wrote:I think most TVs have fairly acceptable stock audio, so there's even less space used.
It kinda depends what your definition of acceptable is. I didn't find them terrible on mine, but I had to have the audio much louder than I usually do to hear things clearly.
I preferred having my headphones on.
I wouldn't use it for serious music listening or gaming, but for general use it's fine.
Chrispy_ wrote:Isn't the problem with TVs input lag? - Even the fastest TVs reviewed specifically for low input lag had 25+ms of lag or so, which is atrocious.
I haven't read an article from 2017, I think the last time I was interested in replacing a monitor with a TV was last year.
Noinoi wrote:I suspect even PC monitors probably have a slight amount of lag that probably will never go away - I think . It seems like a decent TV (even not specifically looking for gaming chops, at least on the Sony aisle) should be able to stay within 40 ms, staying closer to 33 ms usually while within game/graphics mode. 33 ms feels like it'd be imperceptible if nothing else in the chain is adding too much lag.
Chrispy_ wrote:Noinoi wrote:I suspect even PC monitors probably have a slight amount of lag that probably will never go away - I think . It seems like a decent TV (even not specifically looking for gaming chops, at least on the Sony aisle) should be able to stay within 40 ms, staying closer to 33 ms usually while within game/graphics mode. 33 ms feels like it'd be imperceptible if nothing else in the chain is adding too much lag.
Topionio has posted that fast TV's (new models, I guess) are ~20ms.
That's still too high. Decent gaming monitors have input lag (measured) of zero, other gaming monitors have lag in the <5ms region. Here's a selection of monitors with input lag data from http://www.TFTcentral.co.uk, where the green bar is input lag, and the red part of the bar is pixel response:
They class input lag into three categories:
Class 1) <16ms = good for gaming
Class 2) 16 - 32ms = moderate lag but should but okay for casual gaming
Class 3) >32ms = noticeable lag in daily usage, not suitable for gaming
32ms doesn't sound like a lot, but when I notice that a movie I've encoded isn't lip-syncing properly, I need to adjust the audio delay in +/- 5ms increments because even 5ms out is still very obviously out of sync! Humans are far more sensitive to latency and lag than they realise - just because your reaction reflexes are about 180ms doesn't mean you can't accurately time and judge things down to a couple of miliseconds.
Airmantharp wrote:So basically: HDR gaming on PC is still mostly broke, and on consoles with TV's it's 'getting there'.
Noinoi wrote:Given the state of HDR monitors and how 4K HDR TVs are maturing, I'm seriously considering going to a 4K HDR TV as my next monitor for my PC.
I don't think I'll be needing an extremely high refresh rate for any purposes (though I suppose TVs that have a 1080p120 mode are a nice bonus).
cynan wrote:Last I checked, no TVs accepted over 60Hz input signal for 4k. Though there are some that do so at 1080p.