Personal computing discussed

Moderators: renee, Steel, notfred

 
TwistedKestrel
Gerbil Elite
Topic Author
Posts: 686
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2003 4:29 pm

Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:40 pm

Family friend is on mobile broadband and they have some kind of data vampire on their network. Since this is a tens of gigabytes problem and not a hundreds of gigabytes problem, it is not going to be super obvious. Apparently they don't really have any computers that are new enough that are capable of self updating (e.g. no Windows 10) - supposedly it's only two computers, a tablet, and a couple of cell phones. They do have kids, of course.

So - I have a spare SFF PC I could use as a UTM/proxy/traffic analyzer and put in their home for a while. What package/distribution out there will take the least time to install & setup for this purpose? I don't actually want any threat management, or firewalling, or even filtering - I just want to know who is accessing what and how much. I am well aware I could do this with the right SOHO router, but they are using an ISP provided router that is def not capable of this, and I don't have any that are capable of it to spare. Buying a cheap one that *is* capable of it is not off the table if it cuts down on time spent.

Very much appreciate any and all suggestions! :D
 
Ethyriel
Gerbil First Class
Posts: 155
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:41 pm
Location: Tucson, AZ

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:54 pm

Sophos has a free version of their UTM. The original version isn't great at live monitoring, but XG may be better. The general consensus is that XG isn't ready for prime time, but since you don't want much out of it, it may be fine.

The other option would be to use Wireshark on Linux transparently. It's probably the better option, honestly, if you just want to discover what's going on. If you want to block certain types of traffic you'll need more.
 
highlandr
Gerbil Elite
Posts: 575
Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2001 7:00 pm
Location: Somewhere in downstate IL
Contact:

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:43 pm

Looks like pfsense with the package BandwidthD is what you want, assuming you can set up pfsense on your own. 2 Nics, a USB drive to boot, and some patience should get you going. Last time I looked at pfsense was like 8 years ago, but I don't remember it being that hard back then.
[ - THIS SPACE FOR RENT - ]
 
ThatStupidCat
Gerbil Team Leader
Posts: 272
Joined: Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:18 am
Location: your litterbox

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:01 pm

Can't they just login to the router and see who is connected and using the most bandwidth? Maybe try changing password and see if it still continues after that.
I'm clueless about computers.
Smoking catnip in the litterbox.
 
TwistedKestrel
Gerbil Elite
Topic Author
Posts: 686
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2003 4:29 pm

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:57 pm

Gave Sophos XG a spin... not surprised to see that it does the network appliance thing I hate where every vendor someway finds a new way to structure everything. I'm sure it's powerful and that it could do what I want, but I don't have the time to learn it. pfSense with ntopng currently seems like the best candidate, evaluating it next
 
Captain Ned
Global Moderator
Posts: 28704
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2002 7:00 pm
Location: Vermont, USA

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:58 pm

If you can find a Linksys WRT54GL lying around and throw Tomato on it, it'll be all you need.
What we have today is way too much pluribus and not enough unum.
 
TwistedKestrel
Gerbil Elite
Topic Author
Posts: 686
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2003 4:29 pm

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:27 pm

Captain Ned wrote:
If you can find a Linksys WRT54GL lying around and throw Tomato on it, it'll be all you need.

I do have one, but I haven't touched it in like a decade. :P Tomato is a bit of a rabbit hole, which mod/fork of it would you use?
 
TwistedKestrel
Gerbil Elite
Topic Author
Posts: 686
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2003 4:29 pm

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:54 pm

At least... I thought I had one. First spelunking expedition couldn't find it. Maybe I gave it away?
 
Redocbew
Minister of Gerbil Affairs
Posts: 2495
Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:44 am

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 6:24 pm

I'll cast another vote for pfsense, if you can use it.  I was able to set it up here with a minimum of cursing despite not having much of a background in networking.  It's pretty nifty.
Do not meddle in the affairs of archers, for they are subtle and you won't hear them coming.
 
TwistedKestrel
Gerbil Elite
Topic Author
Posts: 686
Joined: Mon Jan 06, 2003 4:29 pm

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:28 pm

Looks like everything I was going to use for this was either borrowed permanently or simply lost. Guess I'm swinging by the thrift store tomorrow! I've seen WRT54Gs there before. pfSense still looks interesting for this but I'm gonna have to table it due to lack of hardware... too many moves decimated my spare parts :P
 
Ummagumma
Gerbil
Posts: 42
Joined: Fri May 27, 2016 9:18 pm

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:59 pm

TwistedKestrel wrote:
Gave Sophos XG a spin... not surprised to see that it does the network appliance thing I hate where every vendor someway finds a new way to structure everything. I'm sure it's powerful and that it could do what I want, but I don't have the time to learn it. pfSense with ntopng currently seems like the best candidate, evaluating it next

I do not use pfSense (I build my own firewalls based on Linux. pfSense is a pretty darn good product), but I have used ntopng.

ntopng can be a bit of a pain to configure for initial use; look at the command line options for complicated setups. Once you jump that hurdle the GUI interface is easy to use and can be "served" via it's own internal web server (default interface should be the installed platform's loopback address, making the web interface only accessible via the Console). Don't use the web server via a LAN interface on a possibly compromised network.

ntopng might be the easiest way to evaluate network flows without the complexity of setting up Netflow-style clients & servers and configuring related flow analysis software.
Did you expect to read anything useful here?
 
Captain Ned
Global Moderator
Posts: 28704
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2002 7:00 pm
Location: Vermont, USA

Re: Lightweight UTM/traffic analyzer?

Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:04 pm

TwistedKestrel wrote:
Tomato is a bit of a rabbit hole, which mod/fork of it would you use?

Vanilla. It'll still show traffic by MAC address. Won't tell you what type of traffic it is, but you'll be able to ID the offending device.
What we have today is way too much pluribus and not enough unum.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest
GZIP: On