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SecretSquirrel wrote:Note that SFP slots will require a 10Gb copper SFP transceiver, which are $100+ a piece.
just brew it! wrote:Curious about the use case here.
About a year ago I looked at the prices of 10Gb gear, and decided it just wasn't worth it. I keep anything I need high bandwidth access to on local storage, and use the central server primarily for backups and streaming media. 1Gb is more than enough for that.
For me to bite, I think prices of 10Gb gear would need to drop to about where 1Gb gear was ~15 years ago. TBH I am a little surprised this has not happened yet. I guess the fact that pretty much all consumer gear is WiFI enabled these days has meant that 10Gb wired connections have remained an "enterprise grade" feature since there has been little consumer demand.
Krogoth wrote:10Gbps will never be as cheap as 1Gigabit and legacy Ethernet because the available mediums and equipment for it have to built to higher standards for reliable data transmission.
just brew it! wrote:Krogoth wrote:10Gbps will never be as cheap as 1Gigabit and legacy Ethernet because the available mediums and equipment for it have to built to higher standards for reliable data transmission.
It doesn't even need to get that cheap for me to bite. Just as cheap as 1Gb was when it was still relatively new.
Krogoth wrote:10Gbps has already reach the same price levels when 1Gbps was fairly new. 1Gbps was fairly pricey back in the early to mid 2000s if you wanted something beyond 1Gbps PCI NIC and simple, low-port count unmanaged switches.
leor wrote:Krogoth wrote:10Gbps has already reach the same price levels when 1Gbps was fairly new. 1Gbps was fairly pricey back in the early to mid 2000s if you wanted something beyond 1Gbps PCI NIC and simple, low-port count unmanaged switches.
Except 10gbps is not new, at least not by any definition that I understand in the world of tech. I am as baffled as JBI that something that came out in 2007 is still set at exorbitant prices.
leor wrote:Krogoth wrote:10Gbps has already reach the same price levels when 1Gbps was fairly new. 1Gbps was fairly pricey back in the early to mid 2000s if you wanted something beyond 1Gbps PCI NIC and simple, low-port count unmanaged switches.
Except 10gbps is not new, at least not by any definition that I understand in the world of tech. I am as baffled as JBI that something that came out in 2007 is still set at exorbitant prices.
End User wrote:In the age of super fast NVMe drives gigabit ethernet is showing its age. I mean 100 MBs? Really? It is just terrible.
I've been hankering for 10 Gbps ethernet for so long that I almost forgot about it. Fortunately, it does appear that 10 gigabit ethernet is finally appearing on high end consumer products. It was a $120 option on my main desktop and the motherboard for my new gaming build has it. With 10 gigabit switches below $1,000 I think it is time review the available options. A holiday project in the making.
Krogoth wrote:Not an issue for regular customers and majority of gamers.
End User wrote:Krogoth wrote:Not an issue for regular customers and majority of gamers.
We have been here before, you and I. I don't talk on behalf of, nor care about, regular customers and the majority of gamers.
For those that are interested in 10 gigabit ethernet, who can justify it to themselves, and have the budget, things appears to be falling into place.
Krogoth wrote:Mainstream customers a.k.a normies make the bank for companies.
End User wrote:A holiday project in the making.
End User wrote:Krogoth wrote:Mainstream customers a.k.a normies make the bank for companies.
Ugh, You keep saying that. Over and over and over and over and over and over.
And over.
My RTX 2080 Ti offers its thanks!
Krogoth wrote:In many cases, people have Cat6 and rather short runs, so the wiring could handle 10G, but the equipment is just too expensive. And for 10G, with its spectral bandwidth, there are good reasons why.10Gbps Ethernet and beyond are still prosumer/professional-tier. 10Gbps will never be as cheap as 1Gigabit and legacy Ethernet because the available mediums and equipment for it have to built to higher standards for reliable data transmission. Cheap UTP and older switching designs don't cut it. That's why 802.11bz spec came into existence. It is one last-ditch effort to squeeze more bandwidth out of the old UTP-based networks without having to rewire everything.
Usacomp2k3 wrote:How many devices are you looking for? Right now if two it’s much cheaper to run a direct connection
End User wrote:In the age of super fast NVMe drives gigabit ethernet is showing its age. I mean 100 MBs? Really? It is just terrible.
jensend wrote:Krogoth wrote:In many cases, people have Cat6 and rather short runs, so the wiring could handle 10G, but the equipment is just too expensive. And for 10G, with its spectral bandwidth, there are good reasons why.10Gbps Ethernet and beyond are still prosumer/professional-tier. 10Gbps will never be as cheap as 1Gigabit and legacy Ethernet because the available mediums and equipment for it have to built to higher standards for reliable data transmission. Cheap UTP and older switching designs don't cut it. That's why 802.11bz spec came into existence. It is one last-ditch effort to squeeze more bandwidth out of the old UTP-based networks without having to rewire everything.
But I don't know of any reason besides entrenched economies of scale why 2.5G should be significantly more expensive than 1G, and for the home use cases I can imagine, 2.5G would provide almost all of the benefits of 10G.
qmacpoint wrote:End User wrote:A holiday project in the making.
Indeed haha!! I was thinking just this.