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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:16 am

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Sad that people like you are saying things like this.

There some truth to that. The way Apple is going I wouldn't be surprised at all if they kill off the Mac Pro and MBP. The creative types who built Apple up will be forced to switch over to Windows or Linux.

Good grief.  No.

Due to a very recent life decision (I've decided to sell my abode which requires a shift to a minimalist footprint due to "staging" - something about too many computers and wires), I've switched to Windows 10 Pro as my only workstation (gaming). Oh my word does Windows 10 Pro suck compared to macOS. Apple at its worst is better than Windows (apart from gaming).

My experience across all these OS (Linux since the 90s, OS X and Win 10 Pro) is quite positive. I prefer OS X and Linux for work because I need to compile Unix programs, but I would never consider Win 10 to be unstable. It runs great and never crashes. Quite happy with it.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:10 am

It is simple because there's simply no big money in boutique PC market anymore. Acer, Dell, ASUS, Lenovo took all of the lion's share of the customer-tier PC market while professional PC market is dominated by Dell, HP and IBM. Apple has a smaller presence in both markets.

Apple's shareholders are following where the big money is and it is currently with ultra-portables and eGadgets.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:01 am

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My experience across all these OS (Linux since the 90s, OS X and Win 10 Pro) is quite positive. I prefer OS X and Linux for work because I need to compile Unix programs, but I would never consider Win 10 to be unstable. It runs great and never crashes. Quite happy with it.

I agree. I work across multiple OSes daily and never have an issue with stability, aside from one stubborn driver installer anyway. The day-to-day use is fine for my needs.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:32 am

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unstable

I never said it was unstable.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:41 am

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In a galaxy far far away(before apple started making phones) apple took pride in being perfectionist-backed
up by their design teams and q/a.

What a load of complete crap. Your revisionist, and short sighted, "history" of Apple merely fulfills your own fake news narrative. Sad!

Apple's history is filled with terrible and ill advised products:

• Apple III
• Lisa
• PowerBook 5300
• Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh
• G4 Cube
• Flower pot iMac
• Urinal puck mouse
• iPod Hi-Fi


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Kind of ironic that NOW 99.9% of their customer base is the DUMBed down facebook crowd.

That comes close to the 99.99% of the Windows and Android DUMBed down facebook crowd customer base. Due to a lack of a Facebook app on Windows Mobile there are no DUMBed down facebook crowd for that platform. Sad!
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:44 am

I thought the G4 Cube and iMac G4 were cool-looking products. They didn't meet everyone's idea of a great computer, but they were neat. You can throw the TAM in that camp, too.

Also, that was back when Apple actually updated the Mac lineup frequently. There aren't any Mac designs to laugh at in recent years because there haven't been any Mac designs.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:56 am

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It is simple because there's simply no big money in boutique PC market anymore.

It is simple. There is big money in the PC industry and Apple is taking more than 60% of the PC industry profit:

With about $23 billion in revenues per year, Apple places among the top four PC vendors in terms of revenue.
With an estimated $5.5 billion in operating margin Apple is the most profitable PC vendor, capturing over 60% of the available PC hardware profits.

http://www.asymco.com/2016/11/02/wheref ... macintosh/
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:05 pm

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Krogoth wrote:
It is simple because there's simply no big money in boutique PC market anymore.

It is simple. There is big money in the PC industry and Apple is taking more than 60% of the PC industry profit:

With about $23 billion in revenues per year, Apple places among the top four PC vendors in terms of revenue.
With an estimated $5.5 billion in operating margin Apple is the most profitable PC vendor, capturing over 60% of the available PC hardware profits.

http://www.asymco.com/2016/11/02/wheref ... macintosh/


The overwhelming bulk of that revenue is coming from their ultra-portables, eGadgets and other misc stuff. Their "Desktop PC" division a.k.a Macs and Power Macs makes chump change by comparison. Apple's lack of attention these markets speaks volumes on why that division is no longer relevant to them. Those figures are misleading anyway. They are including devices that aren't considered to traditional PCs.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:07 pm

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There aren't any Mac designs to laugh at in recent years because there haven't been any Mac designs.

This is nothing new. One only has to compare the Power Mac G5 (2006) to the Mac Pro (pre late 2013) to see that Apple has a history of long runs between core design changes. The same can be said for the Power Mac G4 line (1999-2004).
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:17 pm

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The overwhelming bulk of that revenue is coming from their ultra-portables, eGadgets and other misc stuff. Their "Desktop PC" division a.k.a Macs and Power Macs makes chump change by comparison. Apple's lack of attention these markets speaks volumes on why that division is no longer relevant to them. Those figures are misleading anyway. They are including devices that aren't considered to traditional PCs.

A "Mac" is a laptop or a desktop. The first sentence of the original post referred the MacBook Pro so it is clear we are talking about laptops when we refer to "Macs". I'm guessing that the bulk of "PC" sales are laptops.

That revenue is from the Mac division. The only thing misleading is your interpretation of the data.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:56 am

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unstable

I never said it was unstable.

OK, fair point. What is it that you don't like in Win 10? Performance? The UI? App and HW support?
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:36 am

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unstable

I never said it was unstable.

OK, fair point. What is it that you don't like in Win 10? Performance? The UI? App and HW support?

• multiple desktops management
• windows management

Both are very clunky.


The mix of old/new UI throughout the OS is rather jarring.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:12 am

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I never said it was unstable.

OK, fair point. What is it that you don't like in Win 10? Performance? The UI? App and HW support?

• multiple desktops management
• windows management

Both are very clunky.

The mix of old/new UI throughout the OS is rather jarring.

I find the fact that Windows 10 finally supports and offers multiple virtual desktops at all a pleasant change. I like the Linux implementations I've been using for a decade now more, but that could just be a matter of familiarity. I don't have any issues with the window management, myself.

I absolutely agree about the old/new UI mess. It's dumbfounding to me that they shipped that to the public with this bizarre hodgepodge of system menus, with both overlapping and non-overlapping functionality (seriously, what is going on with Control Panel (old) and Settings (new)?). That it still hasn't been fixed in over a year, and a major update, is baffling.
 
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:16 am

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I find the fact that Windows 10 finally supports and offers multiple virtual desktops at all a pleasant change.

I cried tears of joy the first time I heard it was a feature.
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Re: Apple's (lack of) Mac ambitions

Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:57 pm

It's getting there. The new and old Control Panels overlap more and more, and I expect they'll finally remove the old one in 2025 or so. :lol:
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