Personal computing discussed
Moderators: renee, David, Thresher
ClickClick5 wrote:So yes, that con list is about what I feel like as well. Say with this laptop. When the battery finally gives out, I can order a new one, swap it out myself, and boom, back in business. I'm just finding it quite difficult to justify spending $1,500 on a new laptop, then $100+ on adapters and dongles, then more money for an external disc drive, to then go "Oh well, it's all dead." five years later. I feel like Apple has been shifting from "product engineering" to "profit engineering". Laptop dead? Buy a new one.
PS, so the keyboard is really that trashy?
DancinJack wrote:Honestly dude, a 2015 15" would be my choice for you. It's still gonna be at least 1K, and you can't upgrade much on it, but it has the ports,
just brew it! wrote:...except for Ethernet. If you want wired network connectivity you need either a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, or a USB NIC.
For when I'm at my desk, I have a combo USB 3.0 hub/NIC... external keyboard, mouse, and wired network stay plugged into it, so I can "dock" the MBP by plugging in just the USB hub and external monitor.
DancinJack wrote:just brew it! wrote:...except for Ethernet. If you want wired network connectivity you need either a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, or a USB NIC.
For when I'm at my desk, I have a combo USB 3.0 hub/NIC... external keyboard, mouse, and wired network stay plugged into it, so I can "dock" the MBP by plugging in just the USB hub and external monitor.
I will mail him a TB to Ethernet adapter if he buys a 2015 MBP. Not kidding.
Also FWIW, I have never had a single issue with the Wi-Fi on either of the two Macbook Pros that I currently have. I've used other Macbooks (older Pros and an Air) for work and neither of those had issues either. I understand ethernet is a nice thing in some cases, but I don't think you'd NEED it on the regular with any modern Macbook Pro.
Voldenuit wrote:DancinJack wrote:just brew it! wrote:...except for Ethernet. If you want wired network connectivity you need either a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter, or a USB NIC.
For when I'm at my desk, I have a combo USB 3.0 hub/NIC... external keyboard, mouse, and wired network stay plugged into it, so I can "dock" the MBP by plugging in just the USB hub and external monitor.
I will mail him a TB to Ethernet adapter if he buys a 2015 MBP. Not kidding.
Also FWIW, I have never had a single issue with the Wi-Fi on either of the two Macbook Pros that I currently have. I've used other Macbooks (older Pros and an Air) for work and neither of those had issues either. I understand ethernet is a nice thing in some cases, but I don't think you'd NEED it on the regular with any modern Macbook Pro.
Unless Apple is willing to reverse the decisions they're making, buying an older machine is just prolonging the inevitable. Is that worth buying a 3-year-old machine for?
The 2015 MBP may be repairable by 3rd party repair shops, but these shops are being forced out of business by Apple right now. In 5 years' time (or 3, or 2, or 1), there may be no one left to replace the battery, screen, drive etc.
As for the 2017 MBP suggestion, bear in mind that not only does this model have the same scissor key mechanism on the 2018 model, it will be lacking the silicone condoms Apple is using as their "quick fix" to dust ingress and jammed keyboards, unless it's one that has been refurbished/repaired.So you'd better make sure it is a unit that still has a valid warranty, or you'd be out $700 for Apple to fix it if the keyboard goes bad. That means you have to make sure the unit hasn't been tampered with, had its serial blacklisted by Apple for some reason, or have its water damage indicators activated.
Oh, and the Apple extended keyboard warranty was only for 4 years, so better hope that keyboard fails before 2021 or not at all.
ClickClick5 wrote:Dear heavens...well scrap it all then. $2,500 laptop, $700 keyboard fix due to the keyboard integrated into the case, ect. Gotta say, I just can't justify this type of money on something so...disposable.
Voldenuit wrote:Unless Apple is willing to reverse the decisions they're making, buying an older machine is just prolonging the inevitable. Is that worth buying a 3-year-old machine for?
The 2015 MBP may be repairable by 3rd party repair shops, but these shops are being forced out of business by Apple right now. In 5 years' time (or 3, or 2, or 1), there may be no one left to replace the battery, screen, drive etc.
As for the 2017 MBP suggestion, bear in mind that not only does this model have the same scissor key mechanism on the 2018 model, it will be lacking the silicone condoms Apple is using as their "quick fix" to dust ingress and jammed keyboards, unless it's one that has been refurbished/repaired.So you'd better make sure it is a unit that still has a valid warranty, or you'd be out $700 for Apple to fix it if the keyboard goes bad. That means you have to make sure the unit hasn't been tampered with, had its serial blacklisted by Apple for some reason, or have its water damage indicators activated.
Oh, and the Apple extended keyboard warranty was only for 4 years, so better hope that keyboard fails before 2021 or not at all.
DancinJack wrote:Voldenuit wrote:Unless Apple is willing to reverse the decisions they're making, buying an older machine is just prolonging the inevitable. Is that worth buying a 3-year-old machine for?
The 2015 MBP may be repairable by 3rd party repair shops, but these shops are being forced out of business by Apple right now. In 5 years' time (or 3, or 2, or 1), there may be no one left to replace the battery, screen, drive etc.
As for the 2017 MBP suggestion, bear in mind that not only does this model have the same scissor key mechanism on the 2018 model, it will be lacking the silicone condoms Apple is using as their "quick fix" to dust ingress and jammed keyboards, unless it's one that has been refurbished/repaired.So you'd better make sure it is a unit that still has a valid warranty, or you'd be out $700 for Apple to fix it if the keyboard goes bad. That means you have to make sure the unit hasn't been tampered with, had its serial blacklisted by Apple for some reason, or have its water damage indicators activated.
Oh, and the Apple extended keyboard warranty was only for 4 years, so better hope that keyboard fails before 2021 or not at all.
Hey, I don't think anyone thinks it's an ideal solution, but it checks a few of the boxes for the OP. At least a reasonable port selection, lower cost, and SOME repairability. I personally wouldn't buy a 2015 Mac at this point, even though I hate the keyboard to death on the newer models.
I didn't suggest he buy a 2017 model.
Yeah, the "repair" program for the new keyboards is insane. Like I said in many previous posts, I just don't get why they're doing what they're doing with the keyboard. I really don't. It CAN'T just be to make more money off people. I think companies are cynical and greedy, but I can't believe the keyboard situation is a flat out money grab.
Voldenuit wrote:DancinJack wrote:Voldenuit wrote:Unless Apple is willing to reverse the decisions they're making, buying an older machine is just prolonging the inevitable. Is that worth buying a 3-year-old machine for?
The 2015 MBP may be repairable by 3rd party repair shops, but these shops are being forced out of business by Apple right now. In 5 years' time (or 3, or 2, or 1), there may be no one left to replace the battery, screen, drive etc.
As for the 2017 MBP suggestion, bear in mind that not only does this model have the same scissor key mechanism on the 2018 model, it will be lacking the silicone condoms Apple is using as their "quick fix" to dust ingress and jammed keyboards, unless it's one that has been refurbished/repaired.So you'd better make sure it is a unit that still has a valid warranty, or you'd be out $700 for Apple to fix it if the keyboard goes bad. That means you have to make sure the unit hasn't been tampered with, had its serial blacklisted by Apple for some reason, or have its water damage indicators activated.
Oh, and the Apple extended keyboard warranty was only for 4 years, so better hope that keyboard fails before 2021 or not at all.
Hey, I don't think anyone thinks it's an ideal solution, but it checks a few of the boxes for the OP. At least a reasonable port selection, lower cost, and SOME repairability. I personally wouldn't buy a 2015 Mac at this point, even though I hate the keyboard to death on the newer models.
I didn't suggest he buy a 2017 model.
Yeah, the "repair" program for the new keyboards is insane. Like I said in many previous posts, I just don't get why they're doing what they're doing with the keyboard. I really don't. It CAN'T just be to make more money off people. I think companies are cynical and greedy, but I can't believe the keyboard situation is a flat out money grab.
I don't think it's a money grab either. I do, however, believe that Apple genuinely thinks they can do no wrong, so they almost never acknowledge any mistakes in design, engineering or build. Just look at G4 Cube cracks, TiBook Wifi reception, MBP screen cracking (going back many, many generations), iPhone bendgate, iPhone antennagate, nvidia bumpgate (where Apple initially refused to fix MBPs that wouldn't boot up, even if the GPU was the cause), and so on. I've also watched teardowns of recent-ish macbooks and macbook airs where the screen hinges were not screwed into the metal frame, but glued on (and of course, glue can wear out and come unstuck). And of course, their insistence that their chassis is "unibody" when it can clearly be disassembled along the splitline.
DancinJack wrote:Also FWIW, I have never had a single issue with the Wi-Fi on either of the two Macbook Pros that I currently have. I've used other Macbooks (older Pros and an Air) for work and neither of those had issues either. I understand ethernet is a nice thing in some cases, but I don't think you'd NEED it on the regular with any modern Macbook Pro.
ptsant wrote:2. OS X is much more stable than windows and much more mature than linux. At the same time, Win and Linux can be "good enough" for almost every use.
riviera74 wrote:It is worth it if you get the newest MacBook Air. Simply put, Apple has decreed that everything shall be TB with USB3 connectors. That means dongles for just about everything else. That may not necessarily be a bad thing if you get the right dongles and keep it with you. Spec out the best MacBook Air and buy it. I am not sure if the newest MacBook PRO is worth it, but I believe the newest Air is for most people.
If you would rather have Windows or Linux. get a Thinkpad X1.
riviera74 wrote:It is worth it if you get the newest MacBook Air. Simply put, Apple has decreed that everything shall be TB with USB3 connectors. That means dongles for just about everything else. That may not necessarily be a bad thing if you get the right dongles and keep it with you. Spec out the best MacBook Air and buy it. I am not sure if the newest MacBook PRO is worth it, but I believe the newest Air is for most people.
If you would rather have Windows or Linux. get a Thinkpad X1.
DancinJack wrote:I also think the X1 is (can be) overpriced for what it is. I say that with a Thinkpad sitting next to me, too. There are just too many other good Windows alternatives that are just as good in almost every aspect and cost less a good amount of the time.
TheRazorsEdge wrote:Asus Zenbook (and Zenbook Pro)
Dell XPS (Intel GPU only for 13" model though)
HP Spectre
MSI Stealth
DPete27 wrote:Sorry I just don't have a lot to contribute here since I don't have experience with MBPs and I don't want to persuade anyone into Apple/Windows, but I'm flabbergasted by how much people pay for a laptop.
DancinJack wrote:Are you sure? Because that's basically what you just did