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DPete27 wrote:Yes it is compatible. That's some pretty serious hardware. Care to share the rest of the component list?
juzz86 wrote:That's a good investment platform-wise and well-suited to your workload mate. I wouldn't expect another architecture refresh out of X99, but you should have performance on-tap for quite a while!
If you haven't ordered already, grab an additional Be Quiet! 140mm fan for the front of the case - they're dead-silent and you'll need a bit more flow as it's not a high-flow front on that case. I've built in it before and like it, there's just a bit of extra restriction at the front if you leave the 3.5mm cages in-place, so worth another blower there, especially with a bigger CPU and pair of GPUs.
Also, if it's a ten-year machine, spring for 32GB of RAM at some point. Doesn't have to be at purchase of course, but worthwhile for longevity.
Enjoy! Would love to see some pics when you're up and running if you can be bothered
EDIT: I cocked my SKUs up, the 6800K is the neutered one, not the 6820 this time! Any chance of bumping to the 6850K, to gain the additional PCI-E lanes you'll want for SLI and M.2 together?
DPete27 wrote:Given those specs and your intended usage, you ought to be looking at 2x16GB RAM modules from the start.
That's a beast of a machine for photo and video editing. Sounds like you're a pro user. I'm not familiar with that particular monitor, but hopefully you've done your research. For photo and video editing, monitor is arguably the most important part of the machine.
DPete27 wrote:I'm having a hard time navigating UK based retailers, but a LGA 1151 (Z270) platform may serve you just as well and put some money back in your pocket for more RAM and/or a 27" monitor.
Just my rudimentary browsing: AsRock Z270M Pro4 / Asus Prime Z270M / MSI Z270M Mortar and i7-7700K is £220 cheaper than the CPU and mobo you listed and would still be a strong system. Granted, the 7700K is 4C/8T and the 6800K is 6C/12T but I'm not sure the 6800K is absolutely necessary for "civilian" use. Looks like about £100/16GB RAM on overclockers.uk, so some of your savings could get you 2x16GB RAM instead of 2x8GB.
Also, not sure how much you follow computer hardware. But AMD is set to launch their Ryzen processors in about a month. They will bring much needed competition to Intel and it's sounding like they'll offer more cores/threads than comparably priced Intel processors. If your timeline allows, it wouldn't hurt to wait. Even if you don't end up going with Ryzen after the reviews come out.
K-L-Waster wrote:I am not sure you need is dual GTX 1070 cards.
K-L-Waster wrote:The other thing I am not sure you need is dual GTX 1070 cards. For photo and video editing you are unlikely to need more than one card, at least for displaying your images. You could probably economize by dropping back to one card.
(If you are using a program that can use the GPU for speeding up rendering processes then that's another story of course...)
DPete27 wrote:K-L-Waster wrote:I am not sure you need is dual GTX 1070 cards.
The card is named Asus GTX 1070 Dual. As in dual fans, not dual GPUs.
Regarding the core count: My single data point is my buddy who is a graphic designer. He uses 4C/4T (desktop i5) machines at work with 8GB RAM and his personal laptop i5 (2C/4T) with 6GB RAM for freelance work. Most people at TR would $#!7 a brick if someone recommended that for a Photoshop build, but it serves my friend's needs just fine. Point is, everyone uses those type programs differently. I don't know what sorts of projects you're doing and how complex they are, so I can't say whether an i7-7700K or i7-6800K is better for you, but I figured I'd at least mention the alternative. One thing is for sure, it's not like an i7-7700K won't be able to accomplish your tasks in these programs, the 6800K might finish complex tasks a few seconds faster at times though. Certainly if you run out of RAM and overflow to scratch disk, any gains you thought you had with the 6800K are going to be moot.
Alun wrote:juzz86 wrote:That's a good investment platform-wise and well-suited to your workload mate. I wouldn't expect another architecture refresh out of X99, but you should have performance on-tap for quite a while!
If you haven't ordered already, grab an additional Be Quiet! 140mm fan for the front of the case - they're dead-silent and you'll need a bit more flow as it's not a high-flow front on that case. I've built in it before and like it, there's just a bit of extra restriction at the front if you leave the 3.5mm cages in-place, so worth another blower there, especially with a bigger CPU and pair of GPUs.
Also, if it's a ten-year machine, spring for 32GB of RAM at some point. Doesn't have to be at purchase of course, but worthwhile for longevity.
Enjoy! Would love to see some pics when you're up and running if you can be bothered
EDIT: I cocked my SKUs up, the 6800K is the neutered one, not the 6820 this time! Any chance of bumping to the 6850K, to gain the additional PCI-E lanes you'll want for SLI and M.2 together?
Thank you very much for the advice.
I will contact my PC builder and have the extra fan added as you advised, although I am researching for the next couple of weeks to ensure the build is right for me.
Yes my intention in the future was to add another 16GB and thank you for reminding me.
I am over budget now and replacing the 6800k with the 6850k would add more to the cost, but while we are on the subject do you think the 6800k would be adequate and compatible for my configuration?
I appreciate your input
Cheers
juzz86 wrote:Alun wrote:juzz86 wrote:That's a good investment platform-wise and well-suited to your workload mate. I wouldn't expect another architecture refresh out of X99, but you should have performance on-tap for quite a while!
If you haven't ordered already, grab an additional Be Quiet! 140mm fan for the front of the case - they're dead-silent and you'll need a bit more flow as it's not a high-flow front on that case. I've built in it before and like it, there's just a bit of extra restriction at the front if you leave the 3.5mm cages in-place, so worth another blower there, especially with a bigger CPU and pair of GPUs.
Also, if it's a ten-year machine, spring for 32GB of RAM at some point. Doesn't have to be at purchase of course, but worthwhile for longevity.
Enjoy! Would love to see some pics when you're up and running if you can be bothered
EDIT: I cocked my SKUs up, the 6800K is the neutered one, not the 6820 this time! Any chance of bumping to the 6850K, to gain the additional PCI-E lanes you'll want for SLI and M.2 together?
Thank you very much for the advice.
I will contact my PC builder and have the extra fan added as you advised, although I am researching for the next couple of weeks to ensure the build is right for me.
Yes my intention in the future was to add another 16GB and thank you for reminding me.
I am over budget now and replacing the 6800k with the 6850k would add more to the cost, but while we are on the subject do you think the 6800k would be adequate and compatible for my configuration?
I appreciate your input
Cheers
I fear I may have misunderstood a fundamental you mentioned below - your card is actually called a 'Dual', you're not running dual cards. Sorry, this changes things a bit.
If no plans to add a second GPU, stick with the 6800. I had interpreted that you were going SLI, in which case your cards would drop back to 8x on the 6800 and leave you with enough for a single M.2 otherwise, and not much else. My suggestion for the 6850 was to get around that, as you jump from 28 to 40 PCIE lanes by going up a model. Unnecessary and the performance gains would be minimal - stick where you are.
So disregard that. Other advice on fans and RAM still stands - if you're building another ten-year rig, you have more performance upgrade potential with X99 than a mainstream socket when you need it down the track, not to mention RAM capacity. When you need more cores and lanes you just buy a CPU, rather than the whole platform jump you'll need on the mainstream socket.
K-L-Waster wrote:If you haven't bought anything yet, you should take a look through the February system guide -- just published today.
http://techreport.com/review/31389/the- ... 17-edition
DPete27 wrote:IIRC, the TR System guide has a substantial amount of weight on gaming performance. Take that into consideration with your usage.
Alun wrote:I was looking at the 6700k before but I thought it was more geared towards gaming and at first I was going to build around the Z270 Motherboard platform.
Alun wrote:Most reviews I have read advise on 6C not 4C for photo and video editing.
juzz86 wrote:you have more performance upgrade potential with X99 than a mainstream socket when you need it down the track, not to mention RAM capacity.
Alun wrote:I think what ever configuration I choose it will be a winner.
Flying Fox wrote:Alun wrote:I was looking at the 6700k before but I thought it was more geared towards gaming and at first I was going to build around the Z270 Motherboard platform.
I don't know what makes you equate the 6700K to gaming. Granted, more reviews are geared towards gamers since their numbers are more than people who work on photo/video editing. However, it is a fine, high clocked, and well-threaded CPU.Alun wrote:Most reviews I have read advise on 6C not 4C for photo and video editing.
I would actually like to see those reviews. Which programs do you use? Photoshop? Lightroom? Premiere? Just the 2 photo apps, or all 3? Each of those have slightly different profiles. Keep in mind, at the same clock speed, of course more cores are going to perform better. But keep in mind the 6700K actually clocks higher than the 6800K. How do those actually compared? The one I looked at force the number of cores and most of the results show diminishing returns starting at 4 cores. Is the small gain (which will be partially, if not totally offset by the higher clock) worth that much difference in the motherboard and the Broadwell-E? Not to mention you will start off with less memory which I can almost guarantee that you will run into, unless you only deal with 1 or 2 images at a time. No matter the cores or the GHz, running low on RAM will be the biggest performance killer. You need to evaluate what apps (and don't forget 3rd party plugins/filters) you use, what their performance profiles are, what kind of workflows you will be engaging in to more accurately gauge your needs.juzz86 wrote:you have more performance upgrade potential with X99 than a mainstream socket when you need it down the track, not to mention RAM capacity.
I disagree. Broadwell-E is end of the line for X99. Yes, you can try to buy another CPU with more cores, but in 10 years they will still remain boutique items and you can try your luck on eBay but I don't think those things will ever come cheap. Not to mention the diminishing returns starting at 4 cores, and onto 6 or even 8. If we are talking potential CPU upgrades, then the HEDT platform of the Skylake-E/X may be better since you may get the Kaby version at a later time. We will have to see if Coffee/Cannon-E (if it does come out) will still be on that socket.Alun wrote:I think what ever configuration I choose it will be a winner.
Sorry, I don't think you have a winner. It may be just vanity rearing its ugly head that you feel you are getting a "high end" platform.
1. Are you working in AdobeRGB or sRGB? If former, then your monitor choice would be a fail. Even if you work in sRGB exclusively, I would say 25" at 1440p may be a bit small. I would not go lower than 27" myself at that resolution. Monitors can indeed last 10 years (or more). Depending on how large your workspace is, I would consider getting 2, or entertain those curved 34" ultrawides (1440p vertical, don't go for the 1080p ones). Not sure about curved monitors and image/video editing though. I have not researched the viewing angle impact with those.
2. My next system will have 32gigs RAM minimum. A high-end rig like yours at 16gigs is bottlenecking the system, especially if you load up a bunch of large RAWs and processing them at the same time.
3. From above: The consumer K CPUs run at higher clocks, which could offset the core differences, depending on the operations that you will be applying to your images in your workflow. You may actually lose out on performance because of the lower clocks (not to mention if you dabble in overclocking, the GHz difference just widens).
4. I don't see the upgrade potential for the X99 anyway, as pointed above.
5. You kept saying you are already over budget. I don't consider that as a winner already. May I ask by how much? I am usually ok with a 10-15% variance of the set budget. Given the uncertainty whether you will actually see (or even feel) the performance difference with the "lower clock, but more cores" approach, and the somewhat low starting RAM size, and the fact that you are already over budget? I am sorry, but it does not sound like a "winner" to me.
juzz86 wrote:Comments on monitors and vanity aside, Fox isn't looking at it as a ten-year investment.
I understand your usage case because I've not long done the same for an old friend, and we went X99 too. John spends his time editing and converting videos from his camera onto DVDs, and while I've no hands-on experience with the encoding performance of a 6700/7700 (and I don't doubt it goes well), he's rapt in his build - albeit we didn't quite have the budget you do Alun, so John stuck with a 5930K I found locally at a good price bundled with a board, and just bumped the RAM to 32GB. He'd encode overnight on the old rig (Core 2 Duo), now done in under 40 minutes a video.
In your position, I'd buy into X99. The alternative is to buy into Z270, which will serve you well now, no doubt. The drop-in refresh for Z270 isn't likely to give a huge boost over a 7700, and thus you're maxing out the performance of the platform at purchase, with only I/O headroom to use up. You aren't doing that with your X99 build - and when you need the extra grunt for your videos and photo editing, you find more cores and RAM and drop them in. The 6800k is the baby of the family, and you've plenty of balls left in the platform by going up a rung or two. It won't balk at a game or two, either.
Granted availability may be a concern when you're ready to upgrade (and eBay will likely be the easiest route), but availability of the Skylake-E platform Fox mentioned is non-existent this year.
If your usage was different, I'd be pointing you in a whole different direction and probably echoing Fox's thoughts on platforms. Likewise if you were a regular updater, X99 makes little sense. For a long-term outlook though, you've only got to look at the longevity of X79 as an example. And if your usage changes, you dump/swap the X99 kit for a nice earn and go mainstream.
My condolences on your loss mate.
juzz86 wrote:The drop-in refresh for Z270 isn't likely to give a huge boost over a 7700
juzz86 wrote:maxing out the performance of the [Z270] platform at purchase
juzz86 wrote:You aren't doing that with your X99 build - and when you need the extra grunt for your videos and photo editing, you find more cores and RAM and drop them in.
juzz86 wrote:He'd encode overnight on the old rig (Core 2 Duo), now done in under 40 minutes a video [with his 5930K].
Alun wrote:I will be downloading various free trial photo editing software and decide which one will be well suited to my camera
DPete27 wrote:I'd recommend listening very closely to Chrispy's advice. He builds and manages a MASSIVE number of computers for various tasks for professional users/businesses.
juzz86 wrote:IThis is the last time I'll weigh in here because I'm obviously hitting a few nerves fellas, and I'm sorry.