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Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:46 am

Videocardz has displayed CPU passmark and throws in his stock i7 6800K into the mix.

Asides from prime numbers and physics (which I guess are AVX heavy), Ryzen seems to be only slightly behind Haswell-E. It's essentially an i7 5960X (itself averages 15,979 vs 15,084 overall) with half the memory channels and AVX performance, which probably won't benefits mainstream applications for a while.

https://videocardz.com/65825/first-amd- ... s-are-here

Good job, AMD!

There was also whispers of turbo not functioning, but who can really say at this point?
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:13 am

Good to see they did their homework on single-threaded performance this time around. The Turbo issue could very well be a BIOS thing which will get corrected before official product launch.
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:19 pm

Does AMD have plans to go mobile with this architecture?
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:37 pm

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Does AMD have plans to go mobile with this architecture?


Yes. This chips won't go into mobile though as it lacks a GPU core. That'll be Raven Ridge later this year that'll bring Vega based GPU on-die.

In fact, this is there only x86 architecture going forward for the next few years. The cat cores (Bobcat, Jaguar etc.) have ceased development in favor of Zen too.
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:41 pm

Guess it's not AVX responsible for the lower physics calculation or prime number scores if Ivy Bridge-E is only slightly behind Broadwell-E.  

Apart from that, AMD seems to have jumped from IPC between Conroe and Penryn to IPC between Ivy Bridge and Haswell.  Not bad at all.
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:42 pm

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Thanks for the baseline from an older system.
What's very interesting here is that the benchmarks where RyZen is weak against older Intel parts like Haswell/Broadwell are still applicable to Ivy Bridge as well. That's interesting because the AVX hardware in RyZen is pretty close to being equivalent to Ivy Bridge [in some ways it should be superior because it has better FMA support]. If AVX was the only reason for RyZen being weak in those benchmarks, it would be winning against the older Ivy Bridge that's got about the same amount of AVX hardware but fewer cores.
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:49 pm

On the other hand, his score is considerably better than the average baseline albeit single threaded gains from Ivy > Haswell > Broadwell seems negligible.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=2023&cmp%5B%5D=2785

Ryzen scored 2046 vs the average of 1996 for the 4930K and 2042 for 6800K.  So perhaps turbo is working after all.
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:56 pm

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Guess it's not AVX responsible for the lower physics calculation or prime number scores if Ivy Bridge-E is only slightly behind Broadwell-E.  

Apart from that, AMD seems to have jumped from IPC between Conroe and Penryn to IPC between Ivy Bridge and Haswell.  Not bad at all.


AVX1 was introduced with Sandy Bridge and focused mainly around 256 bit vector operations with floating point numbers.

Haswell added AVX2 with increased integer vector width to 256 bits, added fused multiply-add operations for floating point work*, and some gather (but not scatter) memory operations for vector workloads.

I'd fathom that these benchmarks are only using AVX1 or the benefits of AVX2 are relatively minor for the testing algorithms.

*IF you want to be technical, FMA operations are covered in a separate but related extension to AVX. Piledriver supported FMA but only AVX1 for example.
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:59 pm

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*IF you want to be technical, FMA operations are covered in a separate but related extension to AVX.  Piledriver supported FMA but only AVX1 for example.

Yes, theoretically FMA is not part of AVX, but as a practical matter FMA uses the AVX registers and hardware in both Intel & AMD's implementations. They love to be confusing.
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Re: Ryzen Passmark: Prime and Physics are off, excels at everything else.

Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:21 pm

The link shows results from a system with a very modest memory speed (2400MHz), it's on a basic MB (320 series) and it's not even the high-end 1800X Ryzen. A properly tuned chip will do a bit better, even without overclcoking.

Slightly off-topic, but Wccftech has some photos of very appealing box coolers for Ryzen, which seem to add significant added value. Apparently, they even tested them in an anechoic chamber for noise. Some believe (hold your breath)  that the coolers even include RGB led (meaningless waste of money, in my opinion, but if it helps them move units...).
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:24 pm

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Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:26 pm

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Slightly off-topic, but Wccftech has some photos of very appealing box coolers for Ryzen, which seem to add significant added value. Apparently, they even tested them in an anechoic chamber for noise. Some believe (hold your breath)  that the coolers even include RGB led (meaningless waste of money, in my opinion, but if it helps them move units...).

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Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:33 pm

I'm glad to see Passmark results. It isn't a perfect reflection of real world results by any means, but the overall scores and especially single threaded numbers tend to be a fairly decent (if rough) indicator of performance game benchmarks. For what its worth, in Passmark my system (i5 2500K@4.2Ghz, 2x8GB DDR3-1866, P67) manages the following scores with the Ryzen results from the link in parenthesis:

CPU Mark = 7969 (15084)
CPU Int = 10506 (39672)
CPU Prime = 29.3 (37)
Compression = 10132 (24723)
Physics = 496 (726)
Single Thread = 2230 (2046)


So, this Ryzen at 3.4Ghz (apparently no turbo?) is about 8% behind the single thread performance of my 2500K locked at 4.2Ghz despite a 19% difference in clock speed. That's not bad at all really! Considering the likelihood that they'll clock much much higher and have far more threads to work with in a smaller power envelope.

Average scores for other CPUs single-thread performance:
i5-4590 (3.3-3.7Ghz) = 2113
i5-7600 (3.5-4.1Ghz) = 2292
i5-7600K (3.8-4.2Ghz) = 2407
i7-4790K (4.0-4.4Ghz) = 2527
i7-6700K (4.0-4.2Ghz) = 2350
i7-7700 (3.6-4.2Ghz) = 2356
FX-9590 (4.7-5.0Ghz) = 1727
Pentium G4560 (3.5Ghz) = 2018

If it really wasn't hitting its turbo frequency and was managing single threaded scores only about 10% behind a Kaby Lake i5 hitting 4.1Ghz turbo... that's pretty awesome. At full clocks, this thing should be quite competitive. Even if there are shortcomings in other areas, we've seen time and time again where single threaded performance can make a huge difference... couple that with lots of cores and SMT for good measure, and these should be a real winner.

I'll say it again. If any of these early performance and pricing rumors are true, a 4c8t Ryzen is going to be THE budget enthusiast CPU to get (if you want more threads than a G4560 but don't do anything that would make use of more than 8 ). If these things also overclock well, we could be in for a real treat.
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:57 pm

If rumors of performance and pricing hold true, I'll definitely be getting a Ryzen 1700X or 1800X + GTX 1080 Ti system.  I might have to hold up on that until autumn due to incurring medical expenses, but between the Canard PC and now these Passmark leaks, I'm totally psyched for TRUE SEMICONDUCTOR EMPEROR, ADVANCED MICRO DEVICES, TO MAKE HIS RETURN TO THE THRONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:11 pm

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If rumors of performance and pricing hold true, I'll definitely be getting a Ryzen 1700X or 1800X + GTX 1080 Ti system.  I might have to hold up on that until autumn due to incurring medical expenses, but between the Canard PC and now these Passmark leaks, I'm totally psyched for return of the TRUE SEMICONDUCTOR EMPEROR, ADVANCED MICRO DEVICES, TO MAKE HIS RETURN TO THE THRONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yeah, it'd be neat to have an AMD system again after going Intel for 10 years... assuming the rest of the platform is competitive and reliable.

Funny thing is, the only AMD CPU I have used regularly in the past 8 years is in my IBM PC 5150. I upgraded it with a Tiny Turbo 286 8-bit ISA card that houses an AMD 286 7.16Mhz (with a toggle switch on the back that reboots the PC with the original Intel 8088 4.7Mhz enabled for compatibility). That gets used at least a couple times a week. My daughter loves the old games. :)
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:26 pm

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ptsant wrote:
Slightly off-topic, but Wccftech has some photos of very appealing box coolers for Ryzen, which seem to add significant added value. Apparently, they even tested them in an anechoic chamber for noise. Some believe (hold your breath)  that the coolers even include RGB led (meaningless waste of money, in my opinion, but if it helps them move units...).

Isn't it the current Wraith?

No, it appears to be a new version. Take with added salt, of course.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-cpu-coole ... -versions/
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:28 pm

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If rumors of performance and pricing hold true, I'll definitely be getting a Ryzen 1700X or 1800X + GTX 1080 Ti system.  I might have to hold up on that until autumn due to incurring medical expenses, but between the Canard PC and now these Passmark leaks, I'm totally psyched for TRUE SEMICONDUCTOR EMPEROR, ADVANCED MICRO DEVICES, TO MAKE HIS RETURN TO THE THRONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just hope the CPU won't be hampered by things like a bad SATA/M.2/U.2 and/or USB implementation by Asmedia in the chipset. This has long been AMD's Achilles heel, where they were never very close to Intel.
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:28 pm

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I'll say it again. If any of these early performance and pricing rumors are true, a 4c8t Ryzen is going to be THE budget enthusiast CPU to get (if you want more threads than a G4560). If these things also overclock well, we could be in for a real treat.


No kidding. It's funny you mention overclocking though, a lot of people are assuming all the chips are unlocked. I sort of just assumed the X meant that model was unlocked but now I sounds like just a model differentiation.

ozzuneoj wrote:
...assuming the rest of the platform is competitive and reliable.


Yep. I'm less worried about CPU performance now than I am about the platform. Intel repeatedly has circuit degradation problems with its platforms over the last several years, so AMD is going to have to prove its platform performs similarly and doesn't have major issues that crop up 1-2 years down the road.
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:38 pm

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Yes.  This chips won't go into mobile though as it lacks a GPU core.  That'll be Raven Ridge later this year that'll bring Vega based GPU on-die.

In fact, this is there only x86 architecture going forward for the next few years.  The cat cores (Bobcat, Jaguar etc.) have ceased development in favor of Zen too.

There are quite a few laptops with dedicated graphics chips still...I could see those getting the non APU Zen.  Having multiple graphics options in a system is usually worthless.
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:45 pm

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Yes.  This chips won't go into mobile though as it lacks a GPU core.  That'll be Raven Ridge later this year that'll bring Vega based GPU on-die.

In fact, this is there only x86 architecture going forward for the next few years.  The cat cores (Bobcat, Jaguar etc.) have ceased development in favor of Zen too.

There are quite a few laptops with dedicated graphics chips still...I could see those getting the non APU Zen.  Having multiple graphics options in a system is usually worthless.

Yes, and we may even see some designs with a red processor and green GPU... just in time for Xmas.
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:07 pm

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There are quite a few laptops with dedicated graphics chips still...I could see those getting the non APU Zen.  Having multiple graphics options in a system is usually worthless.

Those tend to be higher-end laptops though. And don't many of those automatically switch to a lower-power integrated GPU for non-demanding tasks, to extend battery life?
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Those tend to be higher-end laptops though. And don't many of those automatically switch to a lower-power integrated GPU for non-demanding tasks, to extend battery life?

I've seen a few in the 700+ range IIRC, wouldn't call that higher end for a laptop...either way, with modern chips it's a waste of hardware to have both.
Unless DX12 mGPU gets a serious push I guess, but even that wouldn't be relevant yet.
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:27 pm

Someone by the name of ItsMyDamnation in this AnandTech forum thread posted two Passmarks results with his Ivy Bridge CPU, the second test getting a lower physics score as he lowered his memory speed.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/su ... 9/page-205

Since the Zen sample had DDR4-2400 at 17 17 17 timings (I run my DDR4 RAM at 15 15 15), perhaps faster RAM will help with the physics score here as well?

Unfortunately faster RAM or timings isn't going to overcome the Intel HEDT's quad channel.
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:34 pm

Single threaded scores are very encouraging. I guess it's just a question now of how high these things can clock. I think 4.0 on best 16-thread chip is basically confirmed, which is still better than any of the Haswell/Broadwell parts aside from Devil's Canyon. If it overclocks well, we could have something pretty damn special.
 
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ItsMyDamnation also demonstrated that prime numbers are affected by memory speed/latency as well.

Thus it's safe to say than Intel's HEDT holds an inherent advantage in Physics and Prime Numbers as it has twice the memory channels and thus potentially double the bandwidth.

OVERALL:  Appears than AMD truly is offering a half-price Intel HEDT platform which will make lots of sense for people who don't need quad channel memory or 256-bit AVX instructions.  For those of us who don't need the extreme memory bandwidth or AVX heavy workloads, Zen will completely obsolete the $1,000 i7 5960X and $1,100 i7 6900K with CPUs costing between $350-550.

Therefore the only thing we need to worry about is Intel's margins for the next couple of quarters... And perhaps the value of Chuckula's Intel stock. ;)
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Intels stock will go down when a meteor hits their head office.  Until then, I doubt anything but ww3 will change that significantly.
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Intels stock will go down when a meteor hits their head office.  Until then, I doubt anything but ww3 will change that significantly.

WW3 would probably help. They'd shift their focus to military tech and their stock would go up. (Assuming there's a stock market left to trade it on, that is.)
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I see myself building 16-32 R7 1800X nodes for the render farm in the not-too distant future to replace anything older than Haswell.
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