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Re: A solution to Ryzen's gaming inconsistency in the works?

Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:14 pm

just brew it! wrote:
I think you're confusing Bulldozer with Phenom. Phenom had the TLB bug.


Yes it did. Thought the scheduler patch was also for Phenom... whoops.

Anyway, I'll say it again THG's results highlight the inconsistency best. They even include an equal 3.8Ghz clockspeed test for both Ryzen at the 7700K ontop of the windows profile runs and SMT disabled run.
 
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Re: A solution to Ryzen's gaming inconsistency in the works?

Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:19 pm

lol AMD has a new CPU in the works for 5 years and on release day they say "WINDOWS SUCKS IT'S NOT OUR CPU!"

I guess that just goes to show the lack of budget in some places.
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Re: A solution to Ryzen's gaming inconsistency in the works?

Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:45 pm

DancinJack wrote:
I guess that just goes to show the lack of budget in some places.


It has absolutely nothing to do with budget. It's a lack of planning and nobody having the foresight to get MS involved in a pre-launch patch.

There are a considerable number of instances of AMD futzing up the planning with Ryzen's launch... one CPU cooler manufacturer had to throw away 20,000 brackets because AMD sent them the wrong specs for the threading height. AMD also screwed up shipping samples to a half-dozen reviewers, they were sent a few days later when reviewers already didn't have enough time to complete a comprehensive review. Lots of reports of AMD sending Ryzen samples to mainboard venders late, hence all the unfinished and rough motherboard UEFIs. I'm sure there's even more dirt that the reviewers are keeping private amongst themselves...

If one is launching their most important product in over a decade that the company's future depends on, one would assume they would get their ducks lined up ahead of time instead of doing everything at the absolute last minute.
 
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Re: A solution to Ryzen's gaming inconsistency in the works?

Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:05 am

I suspect the gamers in this thread are using Windows, so the rest of my post might not be meaningful.

Over at STH ("Serve The Home"), where they look at server hardware and not just for home use, I read some interesting benchmarks and reports from their testing. Here's the highlights:

    - SMT on Linux needs a kernel patch. AMD handles SMT slightly different than current Linux kernel code expects. AMD has released that patch to the public and Linus has "pulled" it in his tree.
    - Running the latest public versions of Ubuntu LTS code still isn't enough. It needs to be patched to improve/correct Linux kernel handling of Ryzen SMT.
    - In STH benchmarks, single-threaded apps are performing worse compared to Intel parts on standard STH benchmarks, but Ryzen multi-threaded performance is similar to dual CPU setups using Intel E5-2620/2630 chips.
    - The "sweet spot" of the Ryzen 7 series family, according to STH, is the 1700 not the higher priced 1700X. I did not see mention of the Ryzen 1800 part in their testing.

Over at Phoronix there is another batch of Linux-oriented testing being done. One of the forum threads from a user that appears to be associated with AMD in some role indicates that some motherboards for Ryzen processors might not be capable of running DDR4 memory faster than 2133 specs. One specific post suggests that some boards may even operate DDR4-3000 memory down at DDR4-2133 speeds. The same poster went on to post a graphic showing how memory speeds can affect benchmarks.

So a lot fo the current commentary on Ryzen performance on Windows might evolve around the following:

    - motherboards for Ryzen processors not being able to run some DDR4 memory modules at their rated speeds;
    - Ryzen SMT handling requires an update to Windows 10 so that OS handles Ryzen SMT behavior properly;
    - games have to be "tuned" for Ryzen CPUs;
    - the need for better coding practices when writing multi-threaded apps for Ryzen processors.

Oh it must be nice to live life on the bleeding edge of technology.... :wink:
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Re: A solution to Ryzen's gaming inconsistency in the works?

Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:52 am

Kougar wrote:
DancinJack wrote:
I guess that just goes to show the lack of budget in some places.

It's a lack of planning and nobody having the foresight to get MS involved in a pre-launch patch.


You think THAT has nothing to do with budget? I'm nearly positive it does. Extra people, extra checks, extra QA/QC are all things possible with more money, that AMD hasn't had.
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Re: A solution to Ryzen's gaming inconsistency in the works?

Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:37 pm

Seems like the 99th Percentile FPS chart for the Ryzen review has been updated with the older Intel CPUs. It doesn't assign a numeric value but it seems based on plotting position that scores are the following:

6950X - 87
7700K - 86
5960X - 81
1800X - 76
4790K - 74
1700X - 73
1700 - 67
3770K - 65
2600K - 63
FX 8370 - 54

While not superb it's certainly not bad, 1700X and 1800X are on par with the Devil's Canyon i7 4970K, which was arguably the best gaming CPU from two years ago. Also the 1800X performs at 87% versus the 6950X over all, 88% versus the 7700K, 94% versus the 5960X, while performing 41% better than the FX 8370. If one is overtly concerned with productivity and does some gaming on the side, it seems Ryzen does indeed have a good bit of relevance in the market.
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