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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 8:01 am

flip-mode wrote:
Still waiting to hear if OP OC'd though.


Please re-read the first line of his post -- he says 2500K at 4.5 GHz. Since the 2500K did not ship stock at anything close to that....
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 8:05 am

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Well, as it happens, 5-10% IPC generational improvements over some four (five?) generations do add up.


Agreed, except I went from a 5ghz haswell to this, and the gain was defiantly between haswell and the lake chips. I had 4.1ghz Bloomfield, 4.8ghz Sandybridge, 4.8ghz Ivybridge, and 2 haswell chips, and never had this kind of jump between chips.
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 8:05 am

K-L-Waster wrote:
flip-mode wrote:
Still waiting to hear if OP OC'd though.


Please re-read the first line of his post -- he says 2500K at 4.5 GHz. Since the 2500K did not ship stock at anything close to that....
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 8:15 am

morphine wrote:
I'd just like to add to the chorus of voices that moved from Sandy to Sky/Kabylake. A year and change ago I moved from my trusty i5-2500K (at 4.4GHz) to the current i7-6700K and the smoothness improvement overall was massive, particularly in games. Just like posters above described, games where I had uneven framerates and/or hitching just became smooth as silk.

Back when I wrote about this in the forums, there was no small measure of incredulity as "in theory it wouldn't be a huge jump." Well, as it happens, 5-10% IPC generational improvements over some four (five?) generations do add up.


I built my 7700k system 5 days ago...and once I tried BF1 I knew my old 2500k was a major bottleneck. No matter what anyone says, the 2500k held back my
980ti @1440p in BF1. When in 64 player maps, I went from High setting 75fps to 80-85 Ultra, with no hiccups. It responds fast AF. Before this I thought about
selling my 980ti but now I am very happy with gameplay and won't do so.
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 8:57 am

Yep! At the time I was still rocking the GTX 970 which I thought was the major bottleneck. Hint: it wasn't.
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 11:08 am

morphine wrote:
I'd just like to add to the chorus of voices that moved from Sandy to Sky/Kabylake. A year and change ago I moved from my trusty i5-2500K (at 4.4GHz) to the current i7-6700K and the smoothness improvement overall was massive, particularly in games. Just like posters above described, games where I had uneven framerates and/or hitching just became smooth as silk.

Back when I wrote about this in the forums, there was no small measure of incredulity as "in theory it wouldn't be a huge jump." Well, as it happens, 5-10% IPC generational improvements over some four (five?) generations do add up.


I wonder if it isn't the IPC but instead a culmination of other upgrades and tweaks going into the newer chips. A little L2/L3 cache here, new set instructions there, ECT. If it needs a matter of IPC it could be overcome with clock speed but it isn't. The smoothness being described seems more architecturally based.

Yes, I ended up overclocking. I'm only hitting a wall due to temps. The stock HSF just isn't even remotely cutting it. I clocked it really low at only 3.6ghz although hitting 3.8 or 4.0 is super easy it just ran the temps up into the near 80*c and at some point cause it to throttle back a bit and become unstable. At 3.6 it is sitting right under 60*c while gaming. It was meant to be a place holder OC until I could grab a better HSF but $$ has been tight after building a house last summer.
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 11:14 am

xDoritox wrote:
I think R7 1700 is a much better deal, it's both cheaper and future proof. In applications with HTT/SMT support, the 8-core R7 1700 blitzes i7 7700K completely. i7 7700K has 30% higher clock speeds, but I think core-count and more threads make the 1700 a much better deal. Also, you can overclock the R7 1700 to 4Ghz, which is still shy from the 5GHz i7 7700K but it's absolutely great for an 8-core monster.


People are having a hard time recognizing that although RyZen IPC doesn't beat Kaby Lake IPC (although it's close), it's still a good buy. An OC'd RyZen will give roughly stock Kaby Lake performance and unless you're playing, say, Paradox games that should be more than fine.
 
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 11:18 am

This is OP.

Really glad to hear that I'm not the only gerbil out there with a success story upgrading CPU from Sandy Bridge to current gen.

I wonder why the perception across the internet doesn't match the reality here. Does it have to do with the fact that these are multiplayer results, with no great way to reproduce?
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 11:26 am

Sputnik7 wrote:
This is OP.

Really glad to hear that I'm not the only gerbil out there with a success story upgrading CPU from Sandy Bridge to current gen.

I wonder why the perception across the internet doesn't match the reality here. Does it have to do with the fact that these are multiplayer results, with no great way to reproduce?

Probably because many Sandy Bridge owners are reluctant to admit their setup has finally run out of puff. It is particularly hard on them as Sandy Bridge was seen as a special beast (unicorn). They enjoyed their time in the sun and the current gen offers nothing out of the ordinary for them. They have to rejoin us mere mortals.
 
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 12:44 pm

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Probably because many Sandy Bridge owners are reluctant to admit their setup has finally run out of puff. It is particularly hard on them as Sandy Bridge was seen as a special beast (unicorn). They enjoyed their time in the sun and the current gen offers nothing out of the ordinary for them. They have to rejoin us mere mortals.


I think that's part of it.

I think the other part of it is there is a subset of people who are emotionally invested in believing that Intel has not been delivering any performance improvements at all other than small clock speed bumps.
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 12:55 pm

Sputnik7 wrote:
This is OP.

Really glad to hear that I'm not the only gerbil out there with a success story upgrading CPU from Sandy Bridge to current gen.

I wonder why the perception across the internet doesn't match the reality here. Does it have to do with the fact that these are multiplayer results, with no great way to reproduce?

Not in my PC. The only multiplayer title I tested initially was BF4. Well, Elite: Dangerous is also technically multiplayer, but I always played solo or with only a couple friends.
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Mon May 01, 2017 1:03 pm

Sputnik7 wrote:
This is OP. Really glad to hear that I'm not the only gerbil out there with a success story upgrading CPU from Sandy Bridge to current gen. I wonder why the perception across the internet doesn't match the reality here.
There's a combination of reasons I would guess. First of all, it's not that people think there is no benefit from upgrading, rather, up until Kabby, people just didn't think there was *enough* benefit to justify the cost. Secondly, opinion really did start to turn to "it is getting to be worth it" with the arrival of Kabby Lake, at least as far as I remember. TR's review of the 7700k said:

Many readers are likely wondering whether it's finally time to retire their Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge systems with the advent of Kaby Lake. If the Core i7-7700K's performance in productivity tasks doesn't tantalize you, perhaps its gaming performance will. With a blisteringly fast graphics card like the GeForce GTX 1080 installed, many of our more CPU-bound gaming tests at 1920x1080 show that older systems can limit the maximum performance one can achieve with today's highest-end graphics cards. That behavior isn't consistent across every game we tested, to be sure, but it does suggest that you might be leaving a lot of performance on the table if you just plop a GTX 1070 or GTX 1080 into a five-year-old PC.
That's a pretty balanced statement that suggests that Sandy Bridge is no longer good enough for people with powerful GPUs - at least when playing certain games.

Thirdly, I think a lot of people have been waiting for a CPU release that's more than 5% better than the previous one. We've had several years of some pretty paltry performance increases and that tends to elicit fairly subdued praise in CPU reviews, which in turn tends to produce a response from readers of "meh, I'm not impressed, I'll wait till next round".
 
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Re: 7700k, wow!

Tue May 02, 2017 6:07 am

I don't think it is that people think their 2500k is still just as good, more that we didn't see a lot of proof to show it was bad.
I knew my 2500k was behind but if I had midrange GPU and gamed at 1080p I'd still feel like it is ok. I also saw more and more
how a top end GPU performs better with a i7. My 980ti is no longer the top gamer GPU but it still is higher end, and I can now
say the i7 was needed for the 980ti to reach full potential in BF1.

When we see benchmarks they always are single player style. It's too tough to show Apple to Apples comparisons in maps and
multiplayer game play.
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